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Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
The Nitro-est ending- a main event that never even starts because of a run in, SEEYOUONTHUNDERUNCENSORED.

Was there a story behind that? Did another segment go long?

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Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Cactus Jack posted:

We need a bumper of Meng getting sprayed with mace. This is my only wish in life right now.

It's honesty sad that nothing big came of that. You could have had him be THE monster of the promotion based on that one segment.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
I would have been soooo pissed if I'd paid 29.95 for that. My sweet Lord.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
"We need thirty extra minutes for this PPV"

(PPV features several promos and interviews that they probably should have done on Nitro, and multiple Nitro Girl segments.)

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
So there were one, maybe two clean finishes in that whole thing?

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Well, poo poo. Local Drafthouse is showing Pulp Fiction this Tuesday, the same night as that Nitro. I have hard choices to make.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

They say the police station is across the street no less than four times.

And when Goldberg arrives after the main event, he does so in a car. The police drove him.

That show was everything I expected and so much more.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Wow, the pacing has gone completely to poo poo. Now it's stupid AND boring.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
I think my favorite part is how the No Limit Soldiers/Rednecks angle is instantly dead. It's 1999, audiences will pop for just about anything happening at first. But the instant Master P starts shouting "Hootie Hoo!", crickets.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
I can imagine how doing a hip hop angle looked good on paper, rap was increasingly popular and wrestling was as mainstream as it was gonna get in '99. But they spent way too much money and P is so bad on the mic.

I'm not even sure how much the Rednecks being outnumbered and the song being popular even mattered- the No Limit Soldiers are dead in their very first segment.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

DJExile posted:

and it wasn't just a one-time thing. They cut to her at least 3-4 times and stayed on her for a long time, as she looked anywhere from happy to pretty uncomfortable. The whole thing was creepy and surreal.

She was also visible from the hard camera IIRC.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Please, everyone, remember to EAT rear end

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
This just keeps getting better.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
And so my cable / internet goes out. gently caress.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Nice of them to put Bagwell and Miller in the same segment so as to give everyone time for a bathroom break.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

exploding mummy posted:

I can't connect to this for whatever reason.

I'm having the same problem.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Well that was certainly a fitting end to the Bischoff era.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
It's ironic that after Bischoff left WCW instantly killed the Revolution push which was his one remaining good idea.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Russo still hasn't started yet, has he?

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Jerusalem posted:

Oh poo poo is that the show where Sting casually wanders up and hits Hogan in the leg with a baseball bat?

Don't worry if you missed it, it's as abrupt as the clip makes it look. Heel Sting is all about the hit and run.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Guys, I don't know about you, but I'm feelin' 22.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Man, Scott Steiner was gone for a while. I totally missed this period but the show suffers even more without him.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Halloween Jack posted:

What made Rick so bad? I mean, he's bad, I'm not taking up for him. He was boring, a bad worker, and his segments were meaningless, but I could say all those things about several other guys.

Part of it was the push he got under Bischoff, and another part is the contrast with Scott. Scott Steiner changed his image for the late 90s, changed his working style, his personality, etc.- sure, that transformation involved taking all the steroids in the world, and his personality was apparently no different from him IRL, but the results on screen were entertaining. Rick came out with "If you don't like me, bite me!" and that was just no substitute. (And again, Scott being out for all this time REALLY hurts. It's like "Sorry about that, here's his way less interesting brother.")

Also, I think it's Rick wasn't good enough to be as convincingly dominant as he was- his stuff never looked that convincing, he wasn't effectively sneaky or underhanded, he just sorta won matches because that was the booking. I cannot remember a single interesting thing he ever did in the ring.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Norman Smiley is a shining light in this time of darkness.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

ChrisBTY posted:

I feel like Norman deserves better than the Hardcore title.
I'm not sure if I'd be supporting him or enabling him.

The WCW Hardcore thing is so weird. I suppose it has something to do with Turner S&P not wanting blood and broken glass everywhere but it's like a comedy version of something that's already pretty silly.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
And suddenly I can't connect

EDIT: Managed it but had to change browsers, that was odd.

Maxwell Lord fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Feb 16, 2017

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

1st AD posted:

I didn't get home in time to catch this, but I hope you had the original tape and not the WWE network version where a bunch of the themes are dubbed over.

We had the originals.


Congratulations, Vince Russo. You managed to take Chris Benoit and Bret Hart fighting for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship in Toronto, and make it boring.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

oatgan posted:

3 Meng matches and people call Russo a horrible booker

In a company where everyone is buried and nobody gets over, the seemingly random pushes doled out to people which are never followed up on are kind of interesting.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
I will say, that was the most entertaining Roddy Piper has been in WCW.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
I'm just curious if MSW can put on a match worse than what we saw last week.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
I feel like I need to emphasize and repeatedly remind everyone that Russo clearly meant that to be the show where everyone would say "It's all coming together!" and recognize what a genius he is and how brilliant his storytelling is.

And of course it ends with an nWo reunion. (Presumably Goldberg nearly slicing his arm off is next week?)

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Goldberg nearly lost an arm for Thunder?!

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

DJExile posted:

Seriously :psyduck: I always had it in my head that this was a nitro segment

Death of WCW kinda describes it that way. I'm surprised they didn't fix that in the revised release.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Man there was just no bottom to the Russo run.

HOTLANTA MAN posted:

Bring back MSW

I'm kind of enjoying the tour of the territories.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
The idea was he was gonna face Benoit in a three match series, so it's a standard kind of "preview" of the PPV. Except that Jarrett is supposed to be the heel (despite the "shades of grey" thing Russo kinda slid back to faces and heels at the end) so putting him at a disadvantage is counterproductive. And also who wants to watch JJ wrestle three matches in a row anyway, and also, finally, you risk injuring your guy before the PPV which is exactly what happened.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
So they're still having the three match series but with someone not involved with the story at all.

I wonder if they're going to try and explain how Benoit is in the world title match and why it's loser leaves town

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
The rare WCW show where the main event is better than the undercard.

The promotion is on fire now. Not in the sense that things are good and exciting but in the sense that it is burning to the ground and soon naught will be left but ash.

(USA Wrestling was not a bad show.)

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
I love that even after Russo they can't book a good show to save their lives. Like even the interim between Bischoff and Russo was just dull.

There was really something terminal in the culture at WCW. It wasn't just who was at the helm.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

exploded mummy posted:

They sent Russo home like 3 days before the PPV.

Yes but I know how they handle the title after this and it's bad even knowing the disruption they were in.

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Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

exploded mummy posted:

Most of their main event or top midcard was injured or just left the company.

That still doesn't excuse Oh wait he pinned the wrong Harris brother

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