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i'm a new and lovely programmer and wasn't a CS major and i know this and am trying to get better is that too much to ask 
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gucci void main posted:poo poo lol, you live a charmed life and were handed a golden opportunity and you whine and you're going to piss it away lolllll
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May 8, 2013 01:43
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rise of the gently caress machines
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May 8, 2013 01:45
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BONGHITZ posted:rise of the gently caress machines it's me, i'm the rising gently caress machine in the op
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May 8, 2013 01:46
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May 8, 2013 01:46
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ShadowHawk posted:If you're a bad programmer don't worry, there's plenty of really bad software that needs to be written for specific non-pure-tech industries. Even if "enterprise" software already exists for them, it's pretty much universally bad and your terrible programming has a good chance of being much better. How much does a "real" developer make and how much does a bad one? I need to know what kind I am.
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May 8, 2013 01:59
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Tori CMOS posted:lol, you live a charmed life and were handed a golden opportunity and you whine and you're going to piss it away yep i think it doesn't help that when i get home i don't want to look at a single line of ruby but i don't want to touch anything else either, or rather nothing that i can't use with a static analyzer
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May 8, 2013 02:08
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Silver Alicorn posted:I think maybe the community has gotten better, I haven't really paid attention since I stopped following slashdot i understood pointers pretty easily. my problem is more that i know they exist but i don't know the language specifics of whatever language i'm working with (espescially if the language isn't something like c which forces you to be explicit about what you're doing), so i get really confused when i start passing variables around around. when people say a programming language is pass by reference, does that mean you can call a function using pointers as variables? wheras some languages don't allow you to use pointers? if that's the case what is the appeal of a non pass-by-reference language?
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May 8, 2013 02:21
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Angry Moo Cow posted:hi op i'm a farmer. here is the extent of my programming knowledge. I want to meet a farmer like you IRL someday. My mind can't reconcile a farmer also being a yosposter
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May 8, 2013 02:29
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I want to meet a farmer like you IRL someday. My mind can't reconcile a farmer also being a yosposter most yosposters are real salt the earth types though???
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May 8, 2013 02:31
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how do i use the print function in python?
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May 8, 2013 02:31
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I am an okay programming I guess, but I dont care about it enough to spend any significant amount of my free time learning about programming and/or contributing to open source projects. So Im probably a C at best
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May 8, 2013 02:32
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THC posted:I am an okay programming I guess, but I dont care about it enough to spend any significant amount of my free time learning about programming and/or contributing to open source projects. So Im probably a C at best dumpster-krugnard
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May 8, 2013 02:36
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The Management posted:How much does a "real" developer make and how much does a bad one? I need to know what kind I am. If your job description included the word "rock star" when you were applying then you're probably a real developer
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May 8, 2013 03:33
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Silver Alicorn posted:I think maybe the community has gotten better, I haven't really paid attention since I stopped following slashdot
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May 8, 2013 03:42
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gucci void main posted:yep i was born in to utter poverty and grew up with seven other children in the woods in a 1100 square foot house and was on welfare all my life, and couldn't afford to go to college or finish high school i hate you, you can't even recognize that you're blessed and want to piss away things most people dream of
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May 8, 2013 03:42
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ShadowHawk posted:If your job description included the word "rock star" when you were applying then you're probably a real developer last year I got a job through my university work-study program. I made it clear in the interview that I had no prior exposure to the stuff they were using but they hired me anyway. they liked the cut of my jib or something so they hired me and just kinda threw me into it with no support or supervision after like 2 months of not knowing what the gently caress they were all like "oh uh we hoped youd be performing at the same level as an experienced pro by now" the phrase "rock star" was bandied about. idk how they expected to find rock stars for the kinda money they were payin Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 07:26 on May 8, 2013 |
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May 8, 2013 03:47
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I have a friend who recently graduated from CS and he thought he could start running he own xmpp server by uploading the files to Uploaded.net. He didn't seem to grasp the difference between uploading files to a computer and executing code on a computer. How this person managed to achieve a bachelors in CS I don't know
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May 8, 2013 03:49
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Police Academy III posted:I've a sneaking suspicion that there's only a very low number of people who are in any way decent at programming, but they've realized that there's no way for them to transmit that knowledge to the rest of us and so are content to let us keep running around like retards and making grand, overly generalized proclamations about programming on hacker news. actually no one knows how to program decently h t h
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May 8, 2013 03:49
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Tori CMOS posted:i was born in to utter poverty and grew up with seven other children in the woods in a 1100 square foot house and was on welfare all my life, and couldn't afford to go to college or finish high school i get that i was lucky to be offered it, but i'm not really capable of doing the job as it is and i'm not getting any help. the team is composed of a number of contractors/offshores who can't speak english all that well. it was pretty clear that the employment was/is at-will so i could get shitcanned any time; i just didn't expect to get virtually no assistance whatsoever beyond the first week. the code bases are bad. no one knows what documentation is, and ruby being a language where terseness and abstraction are everywhere, this makes things a nightmare if you didn't write the code yourself. other projects are done in clojure which i'll never touch. i'm depressed for a few reasons, but mostly because the job isn't very rewarding and the environment isn't making things any easier.
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May 8, 2013 03:59
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^^^ that sucks and it is an example of why i really don't want to get any more serious about programming my company has been asking me if i want to move over to development full time. it's tempting because i honestly enjoy it a lot more than my real job (editing/coloring), but then i go into cavern of cobol or stack overflow and realize how hilariously underqualified i am to do any kind of real programming work. i think i am much more employable as "an editor who can kinda program" than i am as just a bad programmer. i may be undervaluing my skills though, i don't know. i put together a really nice content management system that streams video and does a lot of other stuff in two months without any web development experience. but the code is really, really, really bad. it works and it has never gone down unless i've taken it down, but i'm sure a hacker could exploit the poo poo out of it if they wanted to. tbh there is a lot of niche programming to be done in small or even big companies. one thing i did here was write a script that parsed music EDLs into an excel spreadsheet so we could send them to the music license people. it was a job that took some PA a few hours a week, and now it takes seconds. that stuff is invaluable but it doesnt take a computer engineer to do it. DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 04:08 on May 8, 2013 |
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May 8, 2013 04:04
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gucci void main posted:i get that i was lucky to be offered it, but i'm not really capable of doing the job as it is and i'm not getting any help. the team is composed of a number of contractors/offshores who can't speak english all that well. it was pretty clear that the employment was/is at-will so i could get shitcanned any time; i just didn't expect to get virtually no assistance whatsoever beyond the first week. the code bases are bad. no one knows what documentation is, and ruby being a language where terseness and abstraction are everywhere, this makes things a nightmare if you didn't write the code yourself. other projects are done in clojure which i'll never touch. i work at the fifth largest insurance company in the country and my project is a database application that bills $7.8 billion a year it's exactly what you describe shut the gently caress up and just do what they tell you to do, who gives a poo poo if it all fits together
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May 8, 2013 04:06
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i took an intro to progrsmming with c class last quarter whats up
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May 8, 2013 04:08
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Tori CMOS posted:who gives a poo poo if it all fits together 
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May 8, 2013 04:09
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chumpchous posted:people who care about workflows yeah, this isn't going to work
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May 8, 2013 04:12
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CNClab 2021 posted:i took an intro to progrsmming with c class last quarter whats up nm, hows it hangin?
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chumpchous posted:when people say a programming language is pass by reference, does that mean you can call a function using pointers as variables? wheras some languages don't allow you to use pointers? if that's the case what is the appeal of a non pass-by-reference language? That's not what 'pass-by-reference' means. When a function is 'pass-by-reference', the arguments are passed as pointers ('references') to the actual values, rather than the values proper. This means that you can modify the arguments (by dereferencing the pointer), which can be good or bad. It also means that you don't have to copy the values from one space in memory to another, which is important when dealing with large variables (arrays, big objects, etc). In C and similar languages, you can actually work with pointers, so you can make the decision explicitly. (void foo(int a, int * b) - a is passed by value, b is passed as a pointer.) Java doesn't have user-defined pointers, so the language has to make the decision for you. The decision they made for primitives (ints, bools, etc) was 'pass-by-value'. In "int a = 1; foo(a); print(a)", the result printed will always be '1', no matter what happens in foo(). This is the primary appeal of pass-by-value: you can guarantee that variables passed as function arguments remain unchanged when you return to your own scope. It's a reasonable default. Java objects, on the other hand, are passed by reference: if you pass in an object to a function & modify it therein, you can retrieve the modified value from the calling function. That means it's possible to 'simulate' pointers in Java by using objects. E.g. "class IntPointer { int containedInt; } IntPointer a = new IntPointer(); foo(a); print(a.containedInt) - the result could be anything! This is of course clunky & overly verbose, but if you like Java, that is probably right up your alley! The (primary) reason that Java doesn't have pointers is that pointers let you freely tinker with memory. Unlike C, Java's memory is managed - instead of the programmer having to handle memory allocation & deallocation, it's abstracted into an operation of the JVM. That means, as another consequence, that the programmer can't be allowed to tinker with memory freely, because that would break the abstraction that lets Java's memory management works. ^^ This paragraph is the actual answer you were looking for, feel free to skip the rest. *java objects are actually pointers with a very constrained set of operations that can be performed on them.
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May 8, 2013 04:16
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PleasingFungus posted:That's not what 'pass-by-reference' means. you stupid loving oval office why would you do this why
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May 8, 2013 04:17
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that was a long and boring carepost in the pos. things that are more fun than talking about java and pointers and pass-by-reference: function pointers, closures, lambdas, first-class functions generally. ask me about those! also sorry if I got anything wrong in my last post, I'm tired and suffering from allergies and my grandpa died last night and I'm typing enormous amounts of dumb poo poo rather than think about anything right now.  e: haha, it looks like I was responding to tori there sorry 
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May 8, 2013 04:19
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PleasingFungus posted:my grandpa died last night owned PleasingFungus posted:e: haha, it looks like I was responding to tori there double owned
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May 8, 2013 04:20
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java more like jabba
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May 8, 2013 04:20
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sorry about ur loss
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May 8, 2013 04:21
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Tori CMOS posted:owned
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thanks i'm pretty sure i get it. that's kinda how i thought it worked i just didn't articulate it right. sorry about your gramps.
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May 8, 2013 04:22
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I'm fresh out of college and make a sum that it took my father 20 years to claw up to adjusted for inflation. All I do is write code that is childishly easy and designed to be read and maintained by a guy with 6hrs of training and no CS background and then install it on stuff. Also I have no real qualifications to even touch a computer except for a computer janitor job I got fired from 5 years a go. Pokemon OH SNAP! fucked around with this message at 04:29 on May 8, 2013 |
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May 8, 2013 04:26
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JG_Plissken posted:whats wrong with static data please don't blackball me
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May 8, 2013 04:59
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PleasingFungus posted:That's not what 'pass-by-reference' means. Thanks for this, it made me realize I already understood pointers but didn't really have words for them cause I've been working in python and ruby and never got no CS degree
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May 8, 2013 05:00
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I want to meet a farmer like you IRL someday. My mind can't reconcile a farmer also being a yosposter I didn't choose the rural life, the rural life chose me. ...when my grandfather died. Talk about being handed something on a silver platter! 
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May 8, 2013 05:08
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is this thread author tef
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ShadowHawk posted:Thanks for this, it made me realize I already understood pointers but didn't really have words for them cause I've been working in python and ruby and never got no CS degree half the common problems people have with pointers are just dumb syntax poo poo int * foo, bar, etc pointers are really very simple once you understand the basics! except when you start dealing with funny pass-by-reference stuff (void foo(int& bar){}), dumb tricks/idioms like *foo++, etc (basically the only reason pre/post-increment operators exist in tyool 2013 are to enable people who want to write unreadable code and/or to accidentally stumble into undefined language behavior) but the basics of pointers are basically just one conceptual leap, and if you know how objects work in java/python/ruby then you're pretty much already there. congrats!
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