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there might be a new post, we just have to post harder to see it
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Oct 8, 2017 19:08
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Oct 8, 2017 19:10
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Sapozhnik posted:cool now port the build to meson and groan at how much time you could have saved Was going to say CMake as well. Either would have been so much better than freaking GNU Make.
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Oct 8, 2017 19:10
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Oct 8, 2017 19:13
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FamDav posted:there might be a new post, we just have to post harder to see it FamDav posted:there might be a new post, we just have to post harder to see it should we remake this thread? i feel the bug is fitting but it's getting a little old i guess
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Oct 8, 2017 19:13
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mystes posted:Facebook is a company that just relicensed their software that has nothing to do with their business and that they were giving away for free, after adamantly insisting that they would never do so I saw some posts about this and was completely baffled. why was it such a big deal? if a license is incompatible with your needs then you shrug and move on? if it’s your code you can relicense whenever and however you want? who gives a gently caress???
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Oct 8, 2017 19:13
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Sapozhnik posted:oh, something else: they pulled this poo poo with jsx as well, their recommendation was use .js and too bad if it causes problems for anyone.
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Oct 8, 2017 19:47
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pokeyman posted:I saw some posts about this and was completely baffled. why was it such a big deal? if a license is incompatible with your needs then you shrug and move on? if it’s your code you can relicense whenever and however you want? who gives a gently caress??? In the end, the last straw was apparently a bunch of projects like WordPress announcing that they were going to *gasp* stop using React, after months of arguing on all sides. OTOH, facebook also added an explicit patent license (exactly the same as the one that everyone had an issue with for React) to GraphQL which they appear to have actually patented for whatever reason, so I guess that was more of an issue except that nobody was worried about that? I guess nobody actually uses GraphQL, though, they just post on the internet about what a game changer it is.
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Oct 8, 2017 20:04
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Sapozhnik posted:Still undecided on typescript vs flow for this reactjs side-project. I rather wish this rift didn't exist tbh I wouldn't use languages invented by facebook unless I worked for facebook. they don't give a poo poo about the anyone's use case outside the company whereas microsoft does. the maintainers of @types are also pretty good at keeping definitions up to date when new versions of major libraries come out. typescript is not about being a formally sound type checker. they carefully choose to allow certain gaps in order to function with the reality of how people write js code and their expectations in practice. they went a little too far with the c#-ey "null can be assigned to anything lol" early on and now the strict mode has fixed it and is where 99% of people wanna be. fwiw, you can very easily get by in react without an immutable data structures library simply by using the spread syntax to for instance add a [newElement, ...originalList] or { newKey: newValue, ...originalObject}. I'm optimistic that the recent "mapped types" feature (e.g. a keyof MyType meta-type which is basically a set of strings) has enabled a much better experience with immutable.js though, and if you try it, please let us know your experience. brap fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Oct 8, 2017 |
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Oct 8, 2017 20:46
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also typescript is the closest thing to a firstparty javascript thing you can get.
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fleshweasel posted:I wouldn't use languages invented by facebook unless I worked for facebook. they don't give a poo poo about the anyone's use case outside the company whereas microsoft does. the maintainers of @types are also pretty good at keeping definitions up to date when new versions of major libraries come out. who's "us", are you a member of the dev team? and i do use spread syntax often in my react code yeah. though i'm still fairly new at this new-fangled modern javascript thing. tbh i don't actually use immutablejs much, i made a memoizing version of the redux-saga call() effect that uses an immutable map keyed by immutable lists to maintain its cache and that's about it. i guess i'll stick with typescript and deal with the integration warts then. i'm just wary about interacting with a library developed by Group A via a condom written by Group B because 10/10 times that's a recipe for pain. whether that's "stubbed toe" pain or "dental abscess" pain remains to be seen.
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Oct 8, 2017 20:53
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us is tps thread
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Sapozhnik posted:elisp is poo poo and vimscript is double dog hypershit. atom is unironically a potentially better editor than both emacs and vim because it's built on top of javascript. yes, javascript is bad, but enough developers are stuck in this loveless marriage that the developer community is forced to somehow make javascript itself work. what makes emacs + elisp better than atom + js is that there's already tens of millions of lines of pre-existing code to glue emacs to everything you could ever need. to use atom for something useful you have to reinvent the wheel three times before breakfast granted, elisp is poo poo, but it's no worse than js.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:what makes emacs + elisp better than atom + js is that there's already tens of millions of lines of pre-existing code to glue emacs to everything you could ever need. to use atom for something useful you have to reinvent the wheel three times before breakfast atom has like twice the number of packages emacs does since every stereotypical web developer uses it. granted, the focus is not as "do anything" as emacs tends to be about, but no one reasonable cares about bootstrapping a single tool into everything. before you start clamoring about "everything, and the best!!!!" for the n-thillion time, please do show me how to use pycharm's debugger from emacs
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cinci zoo sniper posted:atom has like twice the number of packages emacs does since every stereotypical web developer uses it. granted, the focus is not as "do anything" as emacs tends to be about, but no one reasonable cares about bootstrapping a single tool into everything. before you start clamoring about "everything, and the best!!!!" for the n-thillion time, please do show me how to use pycharm's debugger from emacs python integrates with pdb, not pycharm it's fairly amusing that atom requires a second, better IDE to be installed in order to get debugger support for python
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:python integrates with pdb, not pycharm it's fairly amusing to read someone not knowing poo poo they argue about this much anyways: 1) i have no loving idea why you apparently think i use atom 2) pycharm is a complete ide (best in class in fact), and does neither need, nor can be run from under atom, a text editor with coat of drying up diarrhoea 3) pycharm does not use pdb. pdb (much like pydbgr, pudb, ipdb) is woefully incompetent compared to pycharm's pydev.debugger, which is a highly customised fork of the original pydev's debugger
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Symbolic Butt posted:I should check out pycharm again someday its great, and community edition is both free and can be used commercially (if costs/use are something holding you back). you need professional edition, primarily, if you want to cython things up or if you are working with web stuff (like 90% of professional edition features are all the web frameworks, x-compatibility with other web shite, databases, and remote development)
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cinci zoo sniper posted:it's fairly amusing to read someone not knowing poo poo they argue about this much pycharm is a good and cool ide and i'm not knocking it it's atom users who are dumb and should be using emacs
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:pycharm is a good and cool ide and i'm not knocking it atom is bad but solution is not to go back to the prohibition era programming tools
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's atom users who are dumb and should be using vs code
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mystes posted:Facebook is a company that just relicensed their software that has nothing to do with their business and that they were giving away for free, after adamantly insisting that they would never do so, just because the idea that some people on the internet who generate no money for Facebook might stop using it bruised their ego as elite programmers. I'm sure the announcement that they're deprecating Flow in favor of TypeScript will come any minute now.
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TOO SCSI FOR MY CAT posted:Facebook open-sourced Thrift, donated it to the Apache foundation, and then a few years later open-sourced a different version as FBThrift. let me find that facebook mobile app code breakdown thing, one sec
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cinci zoo sniper posted:let me find that facebook mobile app code breakdown thing, one sec
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mystes posted:If your reason for using typescript is that you need an es.next to es5 transpiler, then yes typescript is probably unnecessary. No. I mean that javascript doesn't need static type checking. It works just fine without it.
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anthonypants posted:while you're at it can you find the one where facebook and android worked together so the facebook app could use way too much memory on android quote:During standard installation, a program called "dexopt" runs to prepare your app for the specific phone it's being installed on. Dexopt uses a fixed-size buffer (called the "LinearAlloc" buffer) to store information about all of the methods in your app. Recent versions of Android use an 8 or 16 MB buffer, but Froyo and Gingerbread (versions 2.2 and 2.3) only have 5 MB. Because older versions of Android have a relatively small buffer, our large number of methods was exceeding the buffer size and causing dexopt to crash.
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anthonypants posted:while you're at it can you find the one where facebook and android worked together so the facebook app could use way too much memory on android http://blog.timac.org/?tag=facebook here's that one (i think its that one, i dont have link saved anywhere but the breakdown images and 20% bloat look familiar) not heard of the facebook android thing, so let me look it up now i guess
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the only issue I experience w redux and ts in my setup is just that I manually have to look at my types for my mapDispatchToProps objects and make sure they match with my container event prop types otherwise my experience with TS has been perfect. at the worst a tiny lib will be missing types or I can't express what I want and I slap an 'any' type on it. then worse comes to worst I get a runtime type error and know immediately where the problem probably is
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cinci zoo sniper posted:atom is bad but solution is not to go back to the prohibition era programming tools so that's why keyboards for vim nerds sound like tommy guns
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TOO SCSI FOR MY CAT posted:This one? https://www.facebook.com/notes/facebook-engineering/under-the-hood-dalvik-patch-for-facebook-for-android/10151345597798920/  i mean, its impressive, but wow, just wow
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:how long is it gonna take y’all to learn emacs is the one true path it's not, the Genera Dynamic Listener is along with Zmacs eschaton fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:granted, elisp is poo poo, but it’s no worse than js. elisp, despite being poo poo, is actually way better than JavaScript still would be nice if it GNU emacs had switched to Common Lisp and basically become GNU Common Lisp plus an editor, but what can you do
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still paralyzed by indecision lol i've done a complete and utter 180 on the file extension thing in the space of like 2hrs because there's a whole bunch of poo poo like jsx or es2015 or type annotations that you can mix and match into your toolchain and you're not going to stick all those things into the file extension flow is also strictly just a type checker. there is a completely separate babel plugin that just strips out all the type annotations without checking them. and you slot that in amongst all the other babel plugins that implement jsx, transpile es2017 down to es5, do the css import magic, etc etc. this feels very right on a fundamental level. typescript is a transpiler, and you then feed its output into another transpiler (babel). ts has a lot of overlap with what babel does but babel is a lot more powerful. this seems strictly worse than the way that flow does its thing and it bugs the crap out of me. e: oh and i got it to compile and something went wrong at runtime but it spit out a backtrace showing the typescript-transpiled code instead of my typescript code. naaaa gently caress this, flow it is. i'll hold my nose and deal with atom i guess. urgh. Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Oct 9, 2017 |
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I force TS to use 'sourceMap':true files generated by the compiler via tsconfig.json.JavaScript code:
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:should we remake this thread? i feel the bug is fitting but it's getting a little old i guess Yes, I appreciate the irony but it also breaks Awful.apk.
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Sapozhnik posted:still paralyzed by indecision lol i view this as an vital advantage for typescript because it means you DON’T have to use babel, or in fact use npm at all. also, turn on sourcemaps in your tsconfig.json
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the last time i used babel for something it installed literally one hundred thousand files in node_modules and required me to write three separate config files.
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Gul Banana posted:the last time i used babel for something it installed literally one hundred thousand files in node_modules and required me to write three separate config files.
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[quote="“Gul Banana”" post="“477194136”"] the last time i used babel for something it installed literally one hundred thousand files in node_modules and required me to write three separate config files. [/quote] you hosed up hard
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