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soap. posted:Helo doesn't even have a nub That's a shame. Does he still wiggle his entire body?
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wtftastic posted:That's a shame. Does he still wiggle his entire body? Oh yes, he just wiggles his whole butt. Sometimes he wiggles his whole body into a C shape, then gets confused when he's changed directions and spins around really fast. I'm not doing it justice, but it's really cute 
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I am a wreck right now. Jack has been having issues with weight and we have been going to the vet to get help. They were looking for other reasons why he might be overweight and suspected something might be going on but couldn't quite tell what. Monday of this week Jack was acting different. He wouldn't greet us at the door, he wasn't eating, he was very lethargic. We thought maybe he had eaten something bad and we kept an eye on him. He seemed the same on Tuesday with the exception that his stomach seemed bigger somehow, fuller. So we made the apt to take him to the vet on Wednesday morning. He was dropped off in the morning and I was constantly texting my mom to know what was going on. The doc didn't call us all day so my mom went to the vet after work to check on things. The vet sat my mom down and explained that the reason jack was not eating and his belly was so big, it was full of fluid. They said his white blood count was through the roof and Jack had some strange form of cancer, he suspected in the lymph nodes or something. He explained that there were only short term solutions and non of them were very good ones. They could drain the fluid from his stomach but it would just fill back up again. He was going to be poked and prodded and have to go through tests and he still would likely only live a month or two. I wasn't there so I don't know all the logistics of it but he basically was telling my mom it was not operable and that he had been hiding the symptoms as long as he could but his body was done fighting. My mom made the decision to have him put down. I went to work thinking I would have a funny story about my dog that ate a sock and we had to have it removed surgically and he would be home wagging his tail and greeting me at the door everyday. Instead I got home to hear my dog was dead. I cry about every 5 minutes and haven't been sleeping well. I keep wondering how the vet could have missed something so big in Jack when he has been to the vet several times in the last year. I wonder if we should have tried to keep him alive long enough to exhaust any and all options. The worst part is, I know how much the vet terrified him and to think he spent his last day there is just really so heartbreaking I can't think about it for more than a second before I start to cry. I am barely able to look at all these pics of smiling happy ACD's in the thread but I just want everyone to give their herders a hug for me. I'm going to miss you, Jack.
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My condolences for Jack. That's just heartbreaking. ACDs are ridiculously tough and stoic, so I'm sure he was fighting it 'til the very end. I'm sorry for your loss.
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Jun 7, 2013 17:55
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I'm so, so sorry to hear about Jack 
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Jun 7, 2013 18:37
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Sorry, Sweet CupnCakes. I think it was best not to drag it out.
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I am so sorry to hear about Jack. The love you have for him really came across in all of your posts.
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So sorry to hear about Jack Losing a pet is always so hard. I just moved yesterday to a neighborhood next to a cattle ranch, when I let the dogs out this morning the cows were all mooing and as soon as they started up Max snapped to my side waiting for a command. We'd always suspected he was a working dog before he ended up at the shelter and that pretty much confirms our suspicions. He probably got dumped at the park where he was picked up because he's a lazy butt who doesn't like going out in the heat or rain, and is more suited for herding couch pillows than cows.
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^^^ That's pretty cool, AG! One thing that is really nice about Kalli is that she is just way more laidback than Lola. If I stop to talk to someone, she isn't on hyper alert ready for us to carry on walking; she says hello to whoever I'm talking to (and their dog if there is one) and then lie down. She doesn't snap up from sleeping to 100% raring and ready to go when I reach to get a tissue. She'll play with toys on her own, making games by picking them up and throwing them around in the air ( ). She greets people and dogs nicely but isn't obsessive about it, and when anyone comes in the house she isn't as psychotic/frantic as Lola gets about greeting People She Likes.I guess it's the herder/terrier difference. Terrier energy is spastic and comes in crazy little spurts. Herder energy... isn't.  I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop and for her to start tearing up everything.
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The Lancashire Heeler A Lancashire Heeler. The Lancashire Heeler originates from the Ormskirk area in England. They are believed to be bred from Welsh Corgis, which drove livestock from Wales to the north of England, and black and tan Manchester Terriers. They are fairly similar in type to corgis, being short-legged, long-backed dogs. The show standard calls for an ideal size of ten inches for females and twelve for males. They differ mostly from corgis in that they only come in two recognised colours – black and tan, or liver and tan. White is an undesirable feature. It is understandable if you’ve never heard of them. In 2006, they were recognised as a vulnerable native breed by the UK’s Kennel Club (meaning that less than 300 dogs are registered annually). In 2006, only 173 were registered, and this dropped to 146 in 2007.  A rare working Lancashire Heeler. Proponents of the Lancashire Heeler claim that their dogs are, or have the ability to be, good farm dogs. The original LHs were droving, ratting and mousing dogs, but they have pretty much always been a dog chosen for work because the handler liked the breed, not because they were necessarily the best choice for the task. Finding evidence of working LHs isn’t easy. Breed clubs and pages have barely any images or descriptions of dogs working, on hobby farms or even at instinct tests. The breed standard gives the characteristics of: ‘Works cattle but has terrier instincts when rabbiting and ratting.’ Again, despite how some sites and handlers claim their dogs to work (cattle, rabbits, or rats) there is little evidence about that.  A Heeler doing agility. These dogs are pretty much bred only by show hobbyists. They are fairly uncommon, even in Lancashire, so they aren’t BYBed quite as much as their cousin Corgis. At this point, they are pretty much just show dogs and pets. Some dogs do perform in dog sports, but this is more dog ladies doing dog sports rather than an actual reflection of any working ability. They aren't particularly sought-after dogs in any sports, as far as I'm aware.  A liver/tan and a black/tan Lancashire Heeler. Lancashire Heelers have fairly low grooming requirements, mostly blowing their coats a couple of times a year, depending on the climate. They tend to be hardy dogs, with issues mostly with primary lens luxation (eyes) and patella luxation (knees). They are said to be generally friendly, outgoing and fairly laidback dogs, but some may be nervous of strangers. They tend to be “sharp” with other dogs, probably due to the terrier heritage. As pets, Lancashire Heelers are apparently fairly low energy dogs, especially for herding heritage dogs, content with comparatively little exercise. They are cute dogs, and from what I’ve seen of them they seem pretty happy to do whatever, but working dogs they pretty much ain’t. 
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Fraction posted:The Lancashire Heeler  I want oneThey're like cattlecorgis.
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Fraction posted:^^^ That's pretty cool, AG! If she doesn't make you question your sanity at least once when she hits the 6 month teenager stage, I will eat my hat. Maybe you're just comparing her to Lola, but seriously most puppies are really easy until the social maturity changes start kicking in.
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Aquatic Giraffe posted:
They're cool little dogs. I see one in town sometimes that is a perfect little gentleman 6-Ethyl Bearcat posted:If she doesn't make you question your sanity at least once when she hits the 6 month teenager stage, I will eat my hat. Maybe you're just comparing her to Lola, but seriously most puppies are really easy until the social maturity changes start kicking in. Oh I don't doubt it I'm just surprised at how easy she is, really - both in comparison to Lola and to what I've always heard about BC puppies, even <6 month old ones. I'm fully expecting to want to offer her to dog-eating gods in a couple of months time.
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Fraction posted:They're cool little dogs. I see one in town sometimes that is a perfect little gentleman Sometimes you just strike it lucky. My friend, who does not do his homework about things, got a working BC bitch as his first dog ever. I was prepared for a nightmare but no. I handled her for a couple of months while he was abroad and she's the easiest dog ever. Super drivey, but handler-oriented and easy to channel.
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Sweet CupnCakes posted:Jack. I'm so sorry to hear about Jack 
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Does anybody here know much about Anatolian Shepherd Dogs? A friend of mine - a fairly inexperienced dog owner - recently got a Bernese Mountain Dog puppy (who's doing well.) A few months before the pup was due, her vet told her that a Bernie would be too hard for her to handle, and recommended an Anatolian. I don't know where the gently caress that recommendation came from, especially as this is small-town Australia and they're not exactly in plague proportions around here. Anyway, it seemed like that was the worst suggestion ever, so I told her he was full of poo poo and that she was not, under any circumstances, to get or consider getting an Anatolian unless she had a farm, stock, experience with livestock guardians and giant breeds, and hours of time to train the drat thing. Was that warranted? I've actually never seen an Anatolian before, but from what I hear they're pretty much impossible to keep as pets. It felt a bit weird outright saying "Your vet is a loving idiot" when he's a qualified professional and I'm not, but... For content, here is a rare close-up of a landshark eyebrow:  That thing in the distance is the elusive Central West Rugby Terrier. Avshalom fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Jun 10, 2013 |
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Avshalom posted:Was that warranted? I've actually never seen an Anatolian before, but from what I hear they're pretty much impossible to keep as pets. It felt a bit weird outright saying "Your vet is a loving idiot" when he's a qualified professional and I'm not, but... I'm not an expert in them or anything but I think in that case it's warranted to say "Your vet is a loving idiot". Anatolian shepherds are definitely not dogs for first-time owners. If your friend can mitigate the standoffishness with strangers by doing a LOT of socialisation, Bernese can be really great dogs. But Anatolians are standoffish times a billion. It's actually pretty dangerous that the vet recommended one to a first-time dog owner.
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Avshalom posted:Does anybody here know much about Anatolian Shepherd Dogs? They're not impossible to keep as pets, not as difficult as lots of breeds, but definitely easier than a Bernie. Which is pretty drat easy (if you can handle the giant side of things). Solana Skyes has an Anatolian iirc, maybe ask her if you have specific questions related to them.
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Invalid Octopus posted:They're not impossible to keep as pets, not as difficult as lots of breeds, but definitely easier than a Bernie. Which is pretty drat easy (if you can handle the giant side of things). Solana Skyes has an Anatolian iirc, maybe ask her if you have specific questions related to them. Do you mean harder than a Bernie? I thought they were on the primitive, livestock guardian breed side of things. Nothing I've read says they're easy.
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Okay, that makes me feel better. I was concerned after my kneejerk "NO DON'T DO IT" response that I might have just talked her into making a mistake, but everything I knew about Anatolians (not much) indicated they were a pretty hardcore guardian breed. Also one of the biggest breeds in the world. Not a great combination for an inexperienced dog owner! I was flummoxed when she told me what he'd said. Such a random breed to pick, too. Anatolians are super-rare in Australia. You'll be glad to know the little Bernie is thriving. His name is Rupert.
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Since we don't have an livestock guarding dawg thread I'm going to demand the hell out of Bernie pics right here and now.  Speaking of LGDs/recommendations where they shouldn't be, I saw a Briard at the vets the other day. It actually took me a while to process because I have never seen one and huge dogs aren't my thing. I live in a tiny rear end town in England so it was fairly strange. Invalid Octopus posted:They're not impossible to keep as pets, not as difficult as lots of breeds, but definitely easier than a Bernie. Which is pretty drat easy (if you can handle the giant side of things). Solana Skyes has an Anatolian iirc, maybe ask her if you have specific questions related to them. I'm assuming you mean 'definitely harder than a Bernie' right? They might not be maremma level but anatolians certainly aren't your average dog.
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Fraction posted:Since we don't have an livestock guarding dawg thread I'm going to demand the hell out of Bernie pics right here and now.  I know this is cruel of me, but I'll probably have a hell of a time convincing her to let me re-publish the photos, and I wouldn't do it without her permission. I'll see what I can do, though. I'm in serious puppy debt to PI now, because I promised photos of my late cattledog as a potato in the last cattledog thread and never delivered. They're in a box somewhere. I'll post them someday! (I have a picture of him asleep on a flannelette shirt next to a stubbie of Victoria Bitter, it's basically  .jpg.)Most of my favourite breeds are livestock guardians, which is tragic because I'll probably never be able to handle one. (I intend to live on a farm eventually, but I do still like having visitors...) I don't remember what page they're on, so you might have to threadbinge, but one of the posters in the Giant Breeds megathread has a pair of Komondors. There are photos of them dressed in funny little jackets to protect their dreadlocks. It's basically amazing. Avshalom fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Jun 10, 2013 |
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Avshalom posted:There are photos of them dressed in funny little jackets to protect their dreadlocks. It's basically amazing. 
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Avshalom posted:
Well? You owe us cattledog potato and an update on whether you can post pictures or not To prompt you, this is A Good Puppy (in fact, the best puppy):   
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6-Ethyl Bearcat posted:Do you mean harder than a Bernie? I thought they were on the primitive, livestock guardian breed side of things. Nothing I've read says they're easy. Yeah, sorry!
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So, I recently moved somewhere a bit more suburby. It's near by the lake, and there are woods that border the lake where there are lots of walking trails used by dog walkers, joggers, off-road bicyclists and animals. I'd seen deer tracks there previously. Yesterday I was there walking Cohen off leash when she ran ahead and flushed a deer right in front of me. I forget how huge those things can be. It crossed my path, adorable white tail held straight up and it bounded off into the woods while Cohen gave chase. Luckily Cohen recalled away from it relatively quickly and we continued on our walk. Cohen was still jazzed from the chase and was air scenting the animal. It was amazing to watch how decisivly she moved through the underbrush. She was actually able to find the deer again and flush it again. Those things are clearly built to move through the forest quickly and there was no way Cohen could keep up, but she tried. It was interesting to watch Cohen chase the deer. Normally she'll bark if she's excited, but the entire time she was running silent. It's interesting to watch when something taps into that more primal aspect of a dog and you get to see a different side of them. Anyways, here's Cohen, wet from running through the wet underbrush full tilt. Deer hunter. 
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Clearly you should do some tracking with her. 
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Fraction posted:Well? You owe us cattledog potato and an update on whether you can post pictures or not. "Or not." She wants to protect the puppy from the internet.Semester ends in a week and I'll have time to unearth some sharktato photos, please don't exile me from PI!
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Avshalom posted:"Or not." I thought the internet existed TO share puppy and kitty pictures. 
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But what if the puppy becomes a meme? THINK OF THE PUPPY
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Skizzles posted:But what if the puppy becomes a meme? I actually think that's a big part of it...
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May I present my majestic mystery dog? I found her on the road in rural Tennessee and she is the dog dreams are made of.  So. Majestic. 
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That dog is gorgeous, keeksmeet! What's her name? And speaking of majestic...  
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Artie's finally started showing his herding side and nipping the backs of my legs and ankles when he's excited, little git.
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Fraction posted:That dog is gorgeous, keeksmeet! What's her name? Her name is Scrappy- when I found her she had a major flea/tick infestation and was constantly scratching herself while making direct, unwavering eye contact. Her housemates is an ACD/Aussie mix and they take turns bossing each other. Here she is with her extended family (1 Stumpy ACD and 2 ACD/Aussies)   I'd love to hear thoughts on what she is because I want like 50 more of her. Bonus ACD picture: 
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She kinda reminds me of a Tervuren. Maybe Terv/Aussie mix? Kind of unlikely but who knows.
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Skizzles posted:She kinda reminds me of a Tervuren. Maybe Terv/Aussie mix? Kind of unlikely but who knows. I try not to look at her and hear zebras. The closest I can think (if she were purebred) would be an Icelandic Sheepdog but who would lose a dog like that and not even put up signs? Either way, I love my stock dogs and enjoy keeping their minds and bodies active. 
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Scrappy looks GSD/Aussie(/BC?) to me. Probably just a mutty but pretty combination!
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I'm beginning to think I do have a BC puppy under all this fuzz, after all.    (Watching Lola)  This thread is sorely lacking in stock dog pictures, FYI. And Triangulum, you still owe me GSD stuff. 
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