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Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Chas McGill posted:

I tend to prefer fairly grounded stuff with surreal elements rather than outright fantasy or s/f.

If you liked 20th Century Boys and Pluto, you should definitely check out Billy Bat, Urasawa's latest series. It's got the same sort of mystery vibe going on, but this time involving cartoon bats that might actually be ancient demons and TIME TRAVEL.

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Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

TheresNoThyme posted:

Not to hate because I love Eden but you should really call it the best first 7 volumes of a seinen manga in the past decade. Talk about jumping the talking-robot-dog-shark....

Yeah, I read Eden recently and the whole latter half of it had a really weird tone. It never completely abandoned the amazingly well done action, so I kept reading, but all the stuff with the colloid felt like a distraction imported from a completely different story.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Shugojin posted:

If Hellsing started out as porn it sure made its transition to being about Alucard killing poo poo pretty quickly.

It wasn't called Hellsing when it was porn, but all the characters were the same.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Mraagvpeine posted:

There's a Berserk thread? How many must have fallen into archives...

The current one was started in 2007, so not very many. People are able to gin up reasons to post all the time, like complaining, false hope, taunting newcomers to the series, and making Idolmaster jokes.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Ytlaya posted:

Necro becomes better later, once you find out more about who she is and why she looks the way she does.

She becomes a better character, sure, but her design is still gross. I like Keyman but all the fanservice is definitely a problem, especially early on. And it didn't really live up to its premise of "dinosaur detective investigates superhero murder", a lot of it is just weird magic fights.

The art style is great, I just wish the author wasn't so obsessed with huge boobs and tentacles.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Yeah, GitS is one of the rare occasions where the adaptation is vastly superior to the original. Shirow has some interesting ideas for a cyberpunk setting, but they are almost exclusively explained in millions of tiny footnotes around pictures of women either wearing skintight body suits or actually just naked later on.

The movies are good, but the tv shows are even better.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

I guess Fourteen technically starts out as a cyberpunk story, but I definitely wouldn't classify it that way overall.

It's main genre is Crazy.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

ahiwattamplifier posted:

what happens in Gantz? I don't think I've read anything since '08 or '09
They were in Osaka or something and there was a girl with big boobs and everything was at its rapiest

It ended. You don't really want to know how, it was awful even by the standards of Gantz.

All of the mysteries were solved in an abrupt and unsatisfying way, and then it kept going for like a hundred chapters.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

HenryEx posted:

Not that i'd recommend doing so, but you can also buy it (the first 2 volumes) via Humble Bundle right now. As an added deal, you can get it together with Olympic Gold winner in shark-jumping, Ajin

Man, I'd still like to know what the original writer's plan for Ajin was. Such a cool premise that went to poo poo so fast.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

ahiwattamplifier posted:

There is no way I'm going to read 6 years worth of poo poo to figure out how it ended. Spoil all of Gantz to me please

Okay so the Gantz missions end, and it turns out that they were training to fight off an alien invasion, which starts. People try to fight the aliens with Gantz suits, but the leaders of the world surrender to them. The aliens are giants and use humans for food and keep them as pets. Some of the main characters end up there and all sorts of wacky poo poo happens. Eventually they are able to communicate with the leader of the aliens and it's revealed that the Gantz missions were all just training to fight in this big interstellar war or something.

There's peace but then they have to fight the champion of the aliens in a big dumb battle that lasts way too long.

The vampires are never brought up again.

Not sure how accurate that is it's been ages since I read it.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Ytlaya posted:

Regarding Gantz, I like to think that every single time Gantz teleports them into or out of a fight area the person in question dies and is merely copied with all memories, etc intact. Basically the teleportation problem, like in that current D&D thread, but also supported by the scene near the end where that bizarre god alien thing is like "humans are data, see I just made a copy of the girl with big tits and some other people."

Also the part where that one girl wishes for the protagonist to come back to life when he's not dead, so the ball just gives her another copy.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Jose posted:

his girlfriend not being someone with big boobs was an odd choice by the person drawing it who clearly loves them and i got bored when they were running around screaming for each other and never finished it

did the vampires ever come back?

No.

It changes genre two more times after the vampire detour.

Turns out the real monster was the aliens all along.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Laputanmachine posted:

I have seen the live action Riki-Oh movie, which was pretty insane.

The movie is pretty much a straight adaptation of the first few volumes of the manga.

Things only get crazier from there.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Ytlaya posted:

Haha jesus christ the comments section after that Fire Punch chapter.

It's actually kind of interesting to have a remotely realistic depiction of transgender issues in a manga, particular in a setting that isn't either related to "traps" or involving a cute transgirl/woman (like Bokura no Hentai or Hourou Musuko*). In fact, I think this is the first time I've seen a transman at all in a manga. Given how bad Japan is with issues related to gender/sexuality, it's kind of surprising to see this kind of thing, especially in a manga that isn't specifically focused on gender issues.

*I know Hourou Musuko had a girl in it who likes dressing like a boy, but IIRC she wasn't actually trans and just liked dressing that way? I haven't read through the whole thing.

Tiger from My Hero Academia is a transman.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Zerilan posted:

I only got as far in Shamo as the monkey dude with chi powers and I think the next arc was going to be about a dancer. Is it worth still reading after that point?

You are almost exactly at the point where it goes to poo poo.

Just imagine that he dies in a shipwreck on the way back to Japan.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Wild Horses posted:

Is that the manga with the sabertooth tigers and nippon nationalism

That's the other manga about the Russo-Japanese war, I don't remember what it's called.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Pluto is definitely my favorite Urasawa.

Mostly because it's so short. He has a real problem with keeping a series going way too long, dragging out mysteries and stringing cliffhangers together for ages and ages. His skills really translate much better to a short series.

Also the way he translates Tezuka designs into real-looking people in incredible.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

I loooooved Billy Bat, but it was also kinda frustrating because it has all of Urasawa's trademarks, including going on way too long. But I never actually went back and finished it, hopefully it has a more satisfying ending than 21st Century Boys.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Pffff, I've read all his manga, there's nothing Urasawa could do to shock me in the first cha- what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck :psypop:

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Captain Invictus posted:

So is his thing now going to be reimagining grim dark versions of ancient anime properties

Given how Pluto turned out, I wouldn't mind one bit.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Rigged Death Trap posted:

Hes gonna get the poor guy to be his painting thief/smuggler.
or set him up to be his patsy

It's gonna be both. The smuggling operation keeps getting shut down, but Iyami himself is never caught.

God I hope they actually go to France.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

dogsicle posted:

the new english release for alita is absolutely amazing (giant hardcover, some color pages, great semi-gloss paper) granted i haven't started a read-through to see how the translation is. i know they kept the 90's names rather than ~kill the brand~ by calling her gally and all that other stuff, though.

Alita is a better name.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Holyland is good if you just pretend the protagonist dies in China, and stop reading there.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

That Works posted:

Are you thinking of Shamo? Because that works for that one definitely.

I am thinking of Shamo, yes. Come to think of it, I don't think I finished reading Holyland....

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Galvanik posted:

I thought I could finish. But no. It was the the guy beating the toddler to death.

Can someone just tell me what the point of all this was and why it happened?

There is no point, and it was aliens.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

NikkolasKing posted:

What do you all think of the Trigun manga? I've been buying it volume by volume when I have the money because, like most people my age, I grew up with the anime on AS back in the day and I liked it a lot. But I always heard from people online that the anime severely watered down the manga's plot and characterization.

Right now I have the two volumes of Trigun and the first three volumes of Maximum.

The manga is a lot longer, more involved, and explains a lot more of what's going on. But also, any time action is happening, it is completely incomprehensible, so personally I still prefer the anime.

Like seriously, I have no trouble following action in any other series, even JoJo, but Trigun is such a mess, so consistently, it's honestly impressive. You just end up staring at the page, trying to untangle the mess of lines and sound effects, but it's just impossible.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Fabricated posted:

ublock with some additional scripts KOs Kissmanga's anti-adblock poo poo and blocks everything on their site but I just use Mangadex now.

The only reason to use Kissmanga was the fact that they did the thing where all the pages were in one huge column, so you could just scroll instead of clicking to the next page all the time.

But that's an option on Mangadex now! So you can just go there and avoid all the lovely intrusive ads.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

ugusername posted:

Yeaaah. I followed Kingdom a couple of years ago and kinda lost interest somewhere during that battle in the plains that finished now. And like I don't even remember when I stopped it was that far. Maybe there was a long break in translations or something?

Yeah I enjoyed it when I read it years ago, but fell off after I caught up with current chapters. It's one of those series that's fun to read the archives, but week to week it's kind of boring.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

There's armor that kinda looks like that in FFXIV, though only on male characters: https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Shisui_Joi_of_Fending

Seems like something you'd wear under regular armor to protect your shoulders? But it's a variation on a real thing, anyway.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

GorfZaplen posted:

Must everything have a hot synopsizable angle to be worth checking out? Can't a piece of art's ability to make us think and feel be enough?

Sure, but there's a lot of art out there, and not enough time to engage with all of it. You don't need some perfect pithy slogan, just a basic description of the premise.

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Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Brought To You By posted:

Isn't he Austrian but emigrated to the US?

Serbian, and yeah he didn't move to the US until he was almost 30.

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