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MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

I'm trying to find a low phosphorus/magnesium content food for my dogs that isn't something that's loaded with by-products, is there a list somewhere that might have this information?

I've been feeding Orijen, but they changed their formulation so the content they list is now "at least" .9% instead of "up to", so I think I need to roll them to something higher quality.

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MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

EVG posted:

My new dog has what is colloquially referred to as ‘scooty booty’. A couple vet tech visits have shown that it’s not anal glands, and their other idea about possibly itchiness from fleas was also a bust (on frontline, no fleas). Theoretically it could be a food allergy.

She is a 45lb Aussie mix and eats Taste of the Wild dry, daily Kongs with food mixed with PB, and the occasional porker roll (3xweek). She also gets occasional misc. treats and cookies but mostly grain free.

Any idea?

I assume they've tested the dog's poop for parasites?

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

Charles posted:

This is an old post so don't know if you're still following but was curious if you found something. My dog potentially has early stage renal failure and was hoping for something better than Hill's. Thank you.

https://www.farmina.com/us/eshop-dog/dog-food/8-farmina-vet-life-canine.html

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

Charles posted:

Thank you! I hadn't heard of that brand before. They have something that looks really good.

Note that their vet diets, like any vet diet, requires a prescription from a veterinarian.

Also depending on where you're located you'll probably need to order it as only a few chains carry Farmina and I haven't found any that actually stock the vet diets.

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

If you're looking for a vet diet, check out the Farmina stuff I posted earlier. they seem to do higher quality than Hills, Royal Canin, IAMS, and Purina.

Oh, cool. Blue has vet formulas:

https://bluebuffalo.com/natural-veterinary-diet/

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

Charles posted:

Where do you get yours? I'm in Seattle myself.

I order it from them. It get's fulfilled from some place in PA and they ship it. Estimate about a week for it to be delivered.

If you don't need the vet diets there's one of the local chains that carries the standard food.

If you can't wait maybe try Blue, they're a lot more widely distributed so you might have better luck, and Blue is a top-tier brand.

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

Charles posted:

I thought maybe somebody here carried it. What I'm going to do is get a bunch of different foods. It's annoying for sure but my dog gets bored if I don't switch up foods. Right now I just have a few bags of food and have something different each meal.

Be careful about introducing new proteins if you're going to do that, if your dog develops an allergy you need to make sure to give them a unique protein they've never had and that's really hard if you feed them a bunch of different stuff.

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

Braki posted:

So the FDA recently launched an investigation into grain-free diets causing heart disease in dogs. I wanted to post in here to spread awareness of this, because I know a lot of people here feed grain-free. The link to the FDA statement is here.

The confusing thing is that we don't know what's causing it yet. These diets are formulated with enough taurine, but there is something about them that's either preventing absorption or metabolism of taurine. As a cardiology resident, I have been seeing more and more cases of dogs with taurine-deficient DCM that are being fed a grain-free diet. Just yesterday, we saw a 9-year-old Beauceron that was diagnosed with DCM 8 months ago. Three months later, at his recheck visit, his heart was significantly larger and he was in heart failure. Around this time, there was a lot of discussion among cardiologists discussing a trend they were seeing with grain-free diets and taurine-deficient DCM. This patient was receiving one of these diets, and yesterday, 5 months after changing his diet and receiving taurine supplementation, his heart has dramatically shrunk down and we were able to discontinue some of his heart failure medications.

Guys, this is a Big Deal. Until there's more information about what's causing this, I would recommend switching off grain-free diets. If you have a dog that is predisposed to getting DCM (Dobermans, Irish wolfhounds, Newfoundlands, Golden retrievers, American cocker spaniels, great danes) and you have been feeding them a grain-free diet, I would recommend having them evaluated by a cardiologist. I have been seeing so many cases of this lately, it's crazy, and although it's ultimately good news to tell people that the heart disease can reverse with taurine supplementation, it's also sad because this is not something that should be happening.

Asked my vet about it:

I've been participating in a discussion on this topic with a number of colleagues, including the veterinary cardiology specialists who originally recognized the link between taurine deficient diets and heart disease in cats.
It isn't clear whether there is a link between grain free diets and an increased incidence of dilated cardiomyopathy in dogs, but veterinary cardiologists are seeing more of this problem in dogs who aren't genetically predisposed to it.

Here are the options the cardiologists are recommending:

1. For dogs without cardiac clinical signs that appear healthy, changing the diet is the simplest and most conservative action until more definitive information relating to this emerging pattern is discerned.
2. If you don't want to change the diet consider getting a cardiac ultrasound and blood taurine levels evaluated.
a. If heart muscle failure is identified change the diet and consider taurine supplementation regardless.
b. If the taurine concentration is low, change the diet and initiate taurine supplementation.
3. If you don't want to change the diet or perform a cardiac ultrasound test the dogs' blood taurine concentration. Change the diet and supplement if taurine levels are low.
4. If you don't want to change the diet and cardiac ultrasound and/or taurine testing aren't possible then supplementation is considered to be safe.

Taurine supplementation at 250mg per day is recommended for long term use.

Please let me know if you have other questions.

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

I just bought some taurine supplements and have been feeding those daily until things get figured out.

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

RE: Renal diets, my elder cat (18) got diagnosed with CKD recently (as an aside, pretty litter is pretty awesome, it let us know something was wrong so we could get a diagnosis before it was a huge issue), I've currently got her on the Farmina Renal diet. So far she likes it pretty well.

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

Mulloy posted:

So I have three cats, and one of them got a bladder stone. The Vet recommended a diet change to help prevent this, but the only brand of urinary specific food they sell is Hill's and it's far more costly than what I usually buy. (Kirkland based on previous recommendations.) As my cats eat out of a communal bowl, and I've had no luck separating feeding, I was wondering if there were other more economic options and also I was wondering if Hill's is garbage as is.

Any suggestions? Cost isn't really a big thing, but I don't want to pay through the nose for garbage so I'd feel more comfortable knowing what's what.

I personally use Farmina's vet formulas for my broken animals, if you're worried about cost that's probably not the best plan though.

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

To be honest, you're probably going to HAVE to make some changes in your cat's feeding habits, I wouldn't suggest feeding a vet diet to an animal the doesn't need it as they're not formulated right for healthy animals. You could switch to measured feeding and then take the bowls away afterwards, they'll yell for a while but they'll get used to it. Another option is to get some of the feeders that only open when it gets a signal match from a tag on a collar, that way you could still free-feed while making it so there's no cross between the cats.

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

PhysicsFrenzy posted:

One of my cats is on a prescription renal diet. Are there any good treats out there he can have? Sorry if this has been asked before.

Cats can have little a salami.

What I'm saying is that as long as they're used sparingly, treats aren't likely to be a substantial enough percentage of the cat's diet as to be an issue.

As always, check with your vet.

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

Splinter posted:

How do the recent FDA reports of a potential link between grain-free dog food and canine heart disease affect the list of recommended dog foods/ingredients? A few of the recommended premium options appear in the report. From what I gather, it seems to be related to foods with lentils/peas/other legumes and potatoes as primary ingredients. I know the research is hardly conclusive, but continuing with a grain free formula seems like an unnecessary risk given there are other acceptable options.

Everything is basically in a waiting pattern. My guess is the end result will be the same as what happened with feline food, but I think everyone is waiting for the FDA to set requirements.

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MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

Cheesus posted:

One of my cats just had her second dental cleaning and this time, a tooth removed.

I had been feeding her Blue Buffalo Blue Wilderness Adult Salmon Recipe Dry Cat Food for most of her life. The vet thinks that because the kibble is so small, it's been sticking to her teeth hence the tarter built up. I switched to the bigger kibble of Hill's Science Diet Adult Oral Care Dry Cat Food, but then read the third ingredient is corn gluten meal.

The kibble is about a 1/4, grazing supplement outside of her primary wet (grain free) food.

Does anyone have a recommendation for healthier cat kibble that helps keep their teeth clean?

You could look in to dental treats, greenies makes one for cats for instance.

There's also some things I've seen online that are supposed to work to help clean teeth, but I haven't examined them personally myself.

Another option is to brush the cat's teeth, at least for my dog my vet recommends brushing once a week and doing just the outside should be most helpful.

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