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Divine Battle Lawyer Powers Activate: just how full of poo poo is this guy concerning societal precedents for working for a a lame rear end Reverse Labaras goblin? If there aren't massive cultural hiccups with handling this at arm's length, I have no issue with agreeing to live and let live, tit for tat, focus on the demons, better to have a goblin equivalent of a squirrel colony turned government apparatus than not, I suppose We can suss out the details but this seems like an easy win if we slice it right. Plus we absolutely need Bnaimokt Intel. If it's verifiable then that's enough to get the council onto pay attention, though we may need to severely yell at some obtuse traditionalists that didn't listen to us about WALLS. Could we have asked Yedeltov if Tudiya's condition seems familiar?
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Zodiac5000 posted:I would like to loop Danal, Gareb, and Obel in on this. I figure they probably cover the spectrum of opinions for us to bounce off, while having the discretion to not blab no matter what happens? Although if we invite Gareb and end up going aggressively violent he probably hates us? this + nab
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Agree to the non-aggression pact with caveats. The deal is off if we discover Bodhica is violating El’s Sacred Law, committing abominable acts, allowing those in its power to do so, or collaborating with our enemies. We reserve the right to act to confirm Bodhica has not violated these restrictions. If we believe Bodhica is taking action to prevent us from discovering such a violation we may end the agreement. If we believe the humans in Bodhica’s domain are in immediate danger we may act to ensure their safety before notifying Bodhica that the agreement has been ended. malbogio fucked around with this message at 06:06 on May 4, 2024 |
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So we're all assuming this isn't going to be fully El approved and legit and sanctified. BUT. Think of the upside. What IF it can be true? How glorious will our faction be all humanoid races can be made to worship El. Maybe it being humans only is just a hangup from the previous age. Let's take an all-Melachim team to Bochica and their city
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The reason be wants unblooded investigators is because they're vulnerable to illusion and mind control.
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May I visit the area myself, or am I too blooded? (laugh disarmingly) What sort of resources is The Great Bohicia in need off? How does your kingdom ensure no demons and other, hideous beasts from the dark caverns below get out and take root amongst your followers? Does Bohicia display any supernatural powers, or bloodedness? What is your take on the other major powers in the region, the Kelashins especially?
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Mr. Prokosch posted:The reason be wants unblooded investigators is because they're vulnerable to illusion and mind control. It is a genuinely fair security concern to not allow Blooded men into the city, like Beijing/Washington D.C. don't let their counterparts show up on diplomatic visits with an entire airmobile armored division in tow as their "escort" either. But the fact that it makes sense doesn't mean it isn't also for potentially deceptive reasons, which is why we would send some melachim in their Totally Normal Absolutely Bog Standard Human holograms along to make sure nothing like that happens.
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quote:Though the men you send may not be well Blooded. "I understand that things are strange - before I walked among civilized folk, it was unthinkable that men could even have my coloration; I routinely come to foreign kingdoms with several friends, because strangers sometimes take me for a demon." Pause, take a sip of the wine we surely have. "They are prudent to do so, because unusual things in human shape are usually monsters. By this same token, It is vastly more likely that you are deceiving me, or being deceived yourself, because I have seen much more of both than pious goblin prophets."
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Mr. Prokosch posted:The reason be wants unblooded investigators is because they're vulnerable to illusion and mind control. So are blooded men. It's been emphasized as their biggest weakness. It's why the melachim are so valuable. Maybe we negotiate for one blooded man of our line? So they look different, and we mandate they don't go armed to the teeth? We send like two melachim, one blooded man, and some humans to investigate. Edit diog I'm not misremembering about the mind control/magic weakness for blooded men, right? Zodiac5000 fucked around with this message at 17:04 on May 4, 2024 |
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Polgas posted:1. Can he swear on the altar of El on our temple that everything he says here is true?  "Certainly I can." Polgas posted:2. Is there some proof they can provide that they know more about the bnaimokt than enkidel? Has the first chief been fighting them longer than enkidel? "As far as proof I am uncertain what you would wish to see, weapons, arms and armor we have taken from them? The war-beasts we have stolen away? I am afraid I do not know exactly how long the First Chief has been fighting them, but it has been for many years." Polgas posted:3. Ask if anyone among his people got the El high five of an approved sacrifice like the manhood trials of us, danal and ruth? "Yes." Polgas posted:4. Ask specifically if the first chief got the El sacrifice flames. "He has, yes." Polgas posted:5. What is the first chief's biggest battle victory/demon or monster kill so far. "There have been a number of victories against the Bnaimokt, as to the greatest single foe which has been slain, upon our journey to this land we laid low a demon our people have come to call the Fire-Eater. It was great in size and burrowed through rock as easily as sand, fire was in its veins and upon its jaws and its armor stronger than any bronze, but by the grace of El the demon was laid low."  Polgas posted:6. When did the first chief convert to El?[/quote "I suppose it could be arranged if you wished it to be, given the... sensitive nature of what we propose and that it would for their own good involve keeping certain matters from your people for a time, the First Chief thought it best he send a human, such as myself." A Terrible Person posted:If "goblin" is offensive, then what term would you have us use? "The word Muki is prefered. We are relegated to the fact it is likely going to be many years until the men of other cities stop calling some of our people "goblins". " A Terrible Person posted:Could we witness a great offering by your First Chief, if such could be arranged? "Perhaps, our city is distant and like you he is busy at every hour of the day." A Terrible Person posted:Separate: Been awhile, but... Theglavwen posted:Have you personally seen Bochica enter a temple of El and sacrifice to El on an ordained altar? What was the result, and what was the history of that temple and its ranking priest/whoever oversaw the sacrifice, to the best of your knowledge? THIS_IS_FINE posted:Surely you must know my people will not agree to any treaties with goblins? Has the First Chief any ideas for how to approach his proposal without inciting the masses? "You know your own people better than we do, but we propose that this matter be kept from them, for a time and as time passes they can slowly learn more of our own people and realize we are civilized, more civilized than many of those cities around us who engage in petty squabbles for trivial reasons while the demons are at the gate." alpaca diseases posted:Domain: Natural Order - Have these people been altered in any way? THIS_IS_FINE posted:Domain: War - did any of these people contest the Goblin attack on the cities? THIS_IS_FINE posted:Domain: Law (Synergy - Domain: Contracts) - Have any of these people betrayed an oath of lotalty to their city/King/El? Diogines posted:As to breaking the Law, you can sense that this man has broken... mortal laws before? Important ones. Unless you spend more time or Nephesh on it you can't seem to sense more. Probably not something like cannibalism or profane worship though? Has he broken an important Contract or betrayed someone? Maybe? Bob Tuskins posted:Seems like something Jobe should be a part of. Probably Obel too Lanky Coconut Tree posted:We know many secrets. tell us what you have to offer so we may judge if you actually have new value to share With a small laugh he says "I am sorry, but that I simply cannot do so. While certainly the First Chief values you as a friend and hopes for a glorious future as we lay low the demons together, it is possible you might feel otherwise disposed. I am certain you would not do such a thing but to ensure I could not provide such information even under... durress, I do not know it. But we do have information concerning the Bnaimokt which will be of great use and interest, I am assured, so great that we can rely upon your pleasure after having learned such to consider it of great value." alpaca diseases posted:Do you know what an apostate is? "I am familiar with the word, yes." alpaca diseases posted:Tell me true—with everything you have heard of me—what did you honestly expect my reaction to this would be? "Certainly. There have been many tall tales told, some I do not think are true... such as that your dog slew the "king of the goblins", which of course is ridiculous, there is no "king of goblins", or that you slew the king of the giants in single combat, which perhaps you did but which we do not know. Sifting truth from the many stories told of what you and your people has been difficult, but the seed which lay at the core of them is clear, that you and your people are very pious and devout in your service to El, that you are honorable and great warriors fiercly devoted towards fighting the demons. We do have a copy of the True Tales of the Balls of Labaras and the Heroes of Kavodel, which purports to have been written by your servant, so if that is the case then I imagine everything in it is true, in which case you heroically held back an entire army of Bnaimokt at the Temple of El in Ibleam and then after El Smote The Unholy, you chased after the retreating demons underground to save the children of the city, proclaimed the doom of the unrighteous at the siege Tadmor, you were also one of the only survivors of Tanaach and in later years lifted the second siege of Acco, you also pushed back a horde of sea demons from the walls of Dor, slew the gorgons of Ertezbadil and rescued thousands of people from the giants, that Zepath was on this last Jubilee attacked by a horde of demons greater in number than any seen since the days when Blessed Labaras walked the earth and yet you prevailed-" he smiles for a moment as he holds his hands out towards you as it explaining "-having done all of these great deeds to fight for the people of the land, instead of becoming a great conquerer as surely you might, you can see why all wise men who know of you love you and why our people whose same foes you share are much impressed! The entire land is in disarray and men fall to chaos and infighting but here the men of Zepath, true heroes arrive practically on our doorstep!" Either the man is an amazing actor or he actually believes it, you can hear the sound of conviction and passion in his words, though it is possible he is indeeed just an excellent speaker? alpaca diseases posted:Do you honestly think this is something Baitel would let stand, let alone give their blessing to? "We are confident they know the true devotion of our people and do us no evil, for all who know El love Him and only find strength in trusting Him. Though I would also like to point out that despite its great power Baitel has not, as best we know anyway, done anything to help the many cities which are being carried off by demons? We trust that they are doing only as El wills, perhaps the demons prevail other parts of the world more greatly and thus leave the task of holding the line to those already here, such as your people and our own." Blasphemaster posted:Divine Battle Lawyer Powers Activate: just how full of poo poo is this guy concerning societal precedents for working for a a lame rear end Reverse Labaras goblin? Blasphemaster posted:Could we have asked Yedeltov if Tudiya's condition seems familiar?  "Do not know. Sorry." Swedish Thaumocracy posted:May I visit the area myself, or am I too blooded? (laugh disarmingly) "Certainly it could be discussed, though I am afraid I would need to return to ask about it first." Swedish Thaumocracy posted:What sort of resources is The Great Bohicia in need off? "We are working every field which we may, but wheat and produce is something we can always use more of. Some of our people are highly skilled at mining and we have a supply of tin, one which surely we would share with our friends from Zepath." Tin is Very Rare and Extremely Valuable. It is treated like a Critical Military Resource because it IS one. Those cities which have it make great use of it and sell it dearly, it is very valuable. Of the settlement options you considered only two had any tin, the one south of the forest which had nearly twice as much as Kavodel, and Armanum which has... 20% as much. For reference Kavodel has 1.25 ATUs nearby, Armanum has .25 ATUs nearby. Gaham probably thinks is a serious enticement and does not know you have access to tin, if only a small amount compared to what you are used to? You have not set about to mining any yet, other things been a more immediately priority, but you do have a reliable tin source nearby, you also have the most copper of any of the areas you considered for settlement, not as much as t Kavodel but almost as much. Swedish Thaumocracy posted:How does your kingdom ensure no demons and other, hideous beasts from the dark caverns below get out and take root amongst your followers? "There have been. We have slain them. The way is well guarded." Swedish Thaumocracy posted:Does Bohicia display any supernatural powers, or bloodedness? "He is a great warrior, though also a wise leader of our people as well." Swedish Thaumocracy posted:What is your take on the other major powers in the region, the Kelashins especially? "We are uncerain what to make of Kelashin. It is unclear if these people truly desire to fight the Bnaimokt, in which case what they have done should be applauded, or if they are merely hungry for the spoils of conquest and their claims to do it for a noble goal are but a subtext. We have been here longer but you are closer, if you have more recent news of them the First Chief would be interested to hear what you have learned." [...] 8 people have weighed in on who you want to bring with you, so far it seems like you want to bring in Danal, Gareb and Obel. If anyone else has input on who to bring, or not bring, please speak up! Later we will bring in those who you decide to bring. 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Zodiac5000 posted:So are blooded men. It's been emphasized as their biggest weakness. It's why the melachim are so valuable. Blooded Men do generally seem to be smarter and have greater force of will/willpower, so that might help a bit? But Blooded Men do not seem to have any special resistance to mind control, though the True Top of the Heap like say, Tudiya or Rimush and Raphu do have some resistance. Given the fact that Tudiya went neck-deep into a giant horde of demons and was NOT mind-controlled, maybe he has some sort of special ritual or ability he can call upon in special circumstances? Despite your ability to aid the Blooded, you don't actually know all of their mystical secrets, that was not something which fell within the Sword of Smattas. You could enhance Blooded men to be more resistant to mind control and magic if you wanted to do so, that, is well within your Abilities.
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How difficult would it be to identify the mystical thing that has been done to this man? How difficult would it be to break it? This is a violation of the natural order, we can also easily bring him to a place of worship to swear upon the altar, and take our time doing it.
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(What would be the nepesh cost of using Domain: ORDER to Dispel the mystic influence on this guy?) Do you have any domesticated slimes, or know if such a thing could be done? Which races count as Citizens amongst your united peoples, beyond Humans, Muki and Scaled-Ones? Are there people with supernatural abilities amongst your kingdom? Be they witches, mystics, spell-casters or just non-humans with powers akin to the blooded? I don't want too many people here or the information risks getting out, but certainly Danal, Asashel, Nabonassar, Chait and Snarls. Chait specifically because he doesn't like us, because that means he is that much more likely to tell us we are an idiot even though his NDA might cancel out him saying why. Also Use: Knowledge: Monster Hunting Tips from Baitel and our Monster-Hunting knowledge in general on the Fire-Eater described and see if it matches any known critters or demons.
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Do you know of any other city in donut that is run by supernatural entities, monsters, or non-human that i should know about? If you can’t say, then could you put a marker on the map for me to investigate myself?
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UppaTree posted:How difficult would it be to identify the mystical thing that has been done to this man? How difficult would it be to break it? This. Also, ask Gaham if he has received any rewards or blessings. When? How? If not, inform him that he's been mystically altered in some way and ask if he will allow us to figure out how. *Edit* I'm not opposed to any outsiders listening in. A Terrible Person fucked around with this message at 19:15 on May 4, 2024 |
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Diogines posted:"We are confident they know the true devotion of our people and do us no evil, for all who know El love Him and only find strength in trust Him. Though I would also like to point out that despite its great power Baitel has not, as best we know anyway, done anything to help the many cities which are being carried off by demons? We trust that they are doing only as El wills, perhaps the demons prevail other parts of the world more greatly and thus leave the task of holding the line to those already here, such as your people and our own."  He's really telling us what we wanna hear, huh?
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A Terrible Person posted:This. Almost every Zepathan we would send would probably count as mystically altered because we've enhanced folks a ton via bloodedness. It would be pretty rude to just break mystical effects on envoys, not to mention probably a little weird to be able to point it out?
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Can we arrange for a secret Melachim to get a secret inspect on what's been done to this guy while he's here?
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Question 1. Are you personally from Ur? How did you come into serving the first chief? 2. What did the first chief sacrifice to El to get the good flames? 3. What is the first chief's place of origin like?
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Zodiac5000 posted:Almost every Zepathan we would send would probably count as mystically altered because we've enhanced folks a ton via bloodedness. It would be pretty rude to just break mystical effects on envoys, not to mention probably a little weird to be able to point it out? That's fair. But, up to this point, our Melachim friends have been freaking out and going so far as to say that the water supply, sacrificial beer, or something else might be tainted. I'd really like some Muki allies but we need to be sure they're not being manipulated. If they're being strengthened?? That definitely requires more exploring.
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I would like nothing more than Bochica to be the Muki equivalent to Enkidel.
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Zodiac5000 posted:Almost every Zepathan we would send would probably count as mystically altered because we've enhanced folks a ton via bloodedness. It would be pretty rude to just break mystical effects on envoys, not to mention probably a little weird to be able to point it out? Bloodedness is part of the natural order as ordained by El however, which is what our ability bases itself around We should try to figure out what this is but agreed it’d be super weird to point it out Domain - Natural Order (synergies: Domain - Divination, Domain - Law (as ordained by El), physical touch, place where our personal power is strong (Zepath)) What mystical effect / alteration has been done to this person? alpaca diseases fucked around with this message at 23:18 on May 4, 2024 |
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A Terrible Person posted:That's fair. That is true, and I hadn't really considered it too much, but if I'm the divine patron of Bochica (or Bochica himself if he's doing it) I *probably* enhance the envoy I send to negotiate with Enkidel to be better somehow, like we have had options to do a few times. Is THIS what buffing somebody to be smarter/more charismatic looks like from the outside?
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This is in Els hands now. If El despises their worship and wishes for an immensely pious band of servants to march upon their land and make it clean, El knows where to find us and how to reach us. Agree to, verbally, not make war on each other so much as they keep to their lands and not make injury upon us. Unless we are so commanded by the Almighty, so follow the laws of the Temple. Keep holy that which is decreed and keep faith in El, king of the world
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Diogines posted:"We are confident they know the true devotion of our people and do us no evil, for all who know El love Him and only find strength in trust Him. Though I would also like to point out that despite its great power Baitel has not, as best we know anyway, done anything to help the many cities which are being carried off by demons? Need I remind you that only One is perfect in his wisdom? And if you are mistaken, who will you stand with—your God, or your Chief? Also bring in Jobe Also Pubai and Zakiel, either as a seperate crew or remotely
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What is a Muki, by your definition? Is that Bochica's term for his people or yours? What other peoples make up the tribes? How did Bochica come to learn the truth of El? Has he told this story? How tall is Bochica? It is not common for men born this far from Baitel to slay demons as you have said you slew on your way here. Has Bochica given you any aid? Do you have a high priest in your city? Can we meet with him?
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Zodiac5000 posted:That is true, and I hadn't really considered it too much, but if I'm the divine patron of Bochica (or Bochica himself if he's doing it) I *probably* enhance the envoy I send to negotiate with Enkidel to be better somehow, like we have had options to do a few times. Is THIS what buffing somebody to be smarter/more charismatic looks like from the outside? Yes! Exactly! If nothing is out of sorts, then our Melachim friends are just regular stodgy Traditionalists that can't imagine Muki being civilized and worshipping El. If they did send an envoy mystically enhanced to be more charismatic and charming, then that opens a whole different can of worms. Either development is pretty groundbreaking *Edit* Get Puabi in on this.
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Just imagining Enkidel telling Tudiya about recent developments. Abandoning Zepath, absorbing neighboring populations into our Bloodline, buying back slaves from a dog, and now possibly allying with goblins? We could power so many Asawheels with his spinning! Bronze age nuclear power or somesuch.
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Diog, since we've noticed something altered/whatever on Gaham here, can we tell if the same or similar has been done to the soldiers with him?
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A joke I remembered, with no relation to current events. King Amos of Efrat is on a sea voyage when his ship sinks and he finds himself on a deserted island. Ten thousand years later, by chance, an expedition finds him and finds he has built not one but two temples on the island. Both are beautifully decorated with ten thousand years of labour from a greatly blooded man. "Amos," the rescuers ask him, "why did you build such a beautiful temple?" "Well, after a thousand years, I wanted to praise El for my survival. And after another thousand years, I wanted to build it in praise of El's glory. And after another thousand years, I built it in contemplation of the world El has made for us." "Okay," say the rescuers, "that explains one temple. But what about the second?" "Oh, that's Efrat's other temple. You couldn't pay me to set foot in there!"
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