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Your apartment rules. A 1990 B2600i xtra cab popped up on CL this week and it made me think of your thread. He wants $2500 for it or I'd be tempted to snatch it up.
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How do you like your work/work environment? I need to stop working on lovely cars and make the jump into a real trade, I was obsessed with aviation long before cars so it's an obvious direction to go.
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It rules. Everyone there wants to be there, are highly knowledgeable and experienced. find a place that has a non punitive policy, but accept that your first employer is probably going to suck in some regard. Either you're going to have to move a fair distance, or the hours will be long and at odd hours depending on what kind of work the company does. Contracting in manufacturing is a good way to make your break, but be prepared for volatility. Unless you're a hotshot in your schooling you won't get cherry picked. weigh in the military as an option. Get yourself on LinkedIn and network with industry recruiters and other mechs. Exposure is key to finding an apprenticeship with an AMO that has enough variety and turnover to support your trek towards licencing.
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My 97' Escort was bought by a very excited guy from Newfoundland who had just got a job in jet propulsion at Diamond aircraft. Why don't you aviation people buy better cars
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8ender posted:My 97' Escort was bought by a very excited guy from Newfoundland who had just got a job in jet propulsion at Diamond aircraft. Why don't you aviation people buy better cars Vehicles are not investments, they are perpetual expenditures. I bought this truck 6 years ago for $550 it's survived more then a few accidents, journeyed 79,000km, has more then half the work done of myself in it, missed some oil changes, run out of gas on multiple occasions, has a leaking transmission seal, a seized parking break, corrosion in the floor pan, has made me more money then the maintenance cost + cost of gasoline and it still refuses to die. What's wrong with that? Work stuff from today:    Bracket I removed and banged in a replacement:   
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Feb 10, 2014 23:48
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I just flew in a Dash 8. Decent plane, it seemed. They are being replaced by ATR's, though.
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That is a really lovely place to partmark a part, if I was doing QA on that order I would have made them do it again
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Feb 11, 2014 17:55
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If the drawing/spec says you can, there you go.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:17
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rscott posted:That is a really lovely place to partmark a part, if I was doing QA on that order I would have made them do it again It's even shitier when you find a patch of someone else's doing after opening up the airplane and there's no documentation for it on record. That part came like that from bombardier, too. sharkytm posted:I just flew in a Dash 8. Decent plane, it seemed. They are being replaced by ATR's, though. ATR's are sweet airplanes though, comparable to the q400. Most of the dash 8's are over 15 years old, and the 100's are nearing 25-30 with over 50000 cycles on each. They're tanks. FullMetalJacket fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Feb 11, 2014 |
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Feb 11, 2014 22:08
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FullMetalJacket posted:It's even shitier when you find a patch of someone else's doing after opening up the airplane and there's no documentation for it on record. That part came like that from bombardier, too. Who are still using 100s? I am trying to get one last flight on old planes. I did a trip a couple of years ago based on how many old planes I could fly on. Still pissed I missed a DC-10
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FullMetalJacket posted:Good info Thanks for the info. I've been looking at the military option, most of it depends on whether my partner joins the Forces as I'm not sure how deployment would work for both of us. The other thing is that I'd still have to get my AME if I ever want to move into the civilian side. But if I do stay in the pension and job security would be nice. What kind of position do you want to end up in eventually? Are you concerned with airline companies shifting maintenance work offshore?
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BrokenKnucklez posted:Who are still using 100s? I am trying to get one last flight on old planes. I did a trip a couple of years ago based on how many old planes I could fly on. Your best option for finding this information is airliners.net. Spotters are obsessive about documenting this kind of thing. I can only tell you about our customer's fleets. Bulk Vanderhuge posted:Thanks for the info. I've been looking at the military option, most of it depends on whether my partner joins the Forces as I'm not sure how deployment would work for both of us. The other thing is that I'd still have to get my AME if I ever want to move into the civilian side. But if I do stay in the pension and job security would be nice. I'm working towards certification, but my end goal is to go to space; learning aircraft design via applied engineering. I figure after teaching myself French, aeronautical engineering, and flight school I can do it in under a decade. I'm fortunate enough to have some friends who are mechanical/ robotics engineers, so I'll call on them when the time comes. I just knew I would never succeed within the formal education structure that teaches people the theory aspect of engineering. I'm tactile. I work for an independent AMO, so unlike the airlines we're not limited to one fleet. It's a good gig. Work stuff: This piece goes in the top part of the fuselage in the cargo bay of a dash 8. Someone else cut corners and did a poo poo splice causing it to fall apart anyway rather then doing it correctly or ordering a new piece. The task was given to me today to make a new one. .040" 2024-t3 for this one.  After calculating the legs and bend allowances, I marked the bend lines and the approximate shape using the original piece of poo poo. What you see here is after using the shear, snips, belt sander, pencil grinder and files to get the final shape before bending.  Doing the cut outs after bending ensues that their edges won't extend into the bends if the bending brake fucks up.  And the final product next to the piece of poo poo  Alodine treatment right after and handed off to the paint guys. FullMetalJacket fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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Feb 12, 2014 23:38
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BrokenKnucklez posted:Who are still using 100s? I am trying to get one last flight on old planes. I did a trip a couple of years ago based on how many old planes I could fly on. I believe Air Canada Jazz still runs them. Its been a few years but I used to fly in them all the time on inter-province travel in Ontario. They're really spartan inside and super fun to fly in. You can feel your stomach hit the floor when they take off. The pilots that flew them wasted no fuckin time taking off or landing.
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hahahaha gently caress making flat pattern airplane parts with tools like that. Not that I'm knocking your skills or the final product, but the repeatability aspects kind of bother me. Even with a CNC waterjet we have trouble some times, though that may be down to the operators more than the machine itself. What are the tolerances on your bends, we give like 3* and .025" in the radius.
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BrokenKnucklez posted:Who are still using 100s? I am trying to get one last flight on old planes. I did a trip a couple of years ago based on how many old planes I could fly on. Ever flown in a Grumman Goose? Cuz I have, and it was awesome. Dutch Harbor to Akutan. Piston driven sea plane from 1942? Check. Sitting in the co-pilot seat? Check. Landing at sea? Check. PennAir is the airline.
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rscott posted:hahahaha gently caress making flat pattern airplane parts with tools like that. Not that I'm knocking your skills or the final product, but the repeatability aspects kind of bother me. Even with a CNC waterjet we have trouble some times, though that may be down to the operators more than the machine itself. What are the tolerances on your bends, we give like 3* and .025" in the radius. sharkytm posted:Ever flown in a Grumman Goose? Cuz I have, and it was awesome. Dutch Harbor to Akutan. Piston driven sea plane from 1942? Check. Sitting in the co-pilot seat? Check. Landing at sea? Check. PennAir is the airline. PennAir is one of our customers, actually! I hope no one gets bored of me posting aircraft stuff. It is all I have to tide you guys over till I have tools and space for the truck 
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Feb 13, 2014 18:51
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I'm not bored, this poo poo's cool as hell.
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Needs more "Those idiots in the drawing office have done it again. Oh, those idiots in the drawing office". How hard do they ride you on tool control/FOD measures? It looks pretty relaxed.
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Alright then  alter the thread title to something that fits, if you like!Remember the undocumented patches I mentioned earlier? I was tasked with removing them this morning, but I'm only showing the one from the right side fairing web because its more interesting.  In removing fasteners with limited access using a 90 degree drill, it is best practice to drill through them one size under then the fastener is. It decreases, but does not eliminate your chances of elongating the hole. Drilling the fastener size after the undersized holes eliminates drift and the heads of the rivets will pop off eliminating the need to use a punch and supporting from the other side. Very useful for thinner material and limited access.  the worst of the holes will be drilled a size up to make them round again. You also see the solution engineering sent down to fix the dog bone from the previous patch. Dremel attachments, a pencil grinder and a fine file made quick work of it! FOD policy is this: we expect you to be professional. Protect and clean up your poo poo. Yeah, sometimes they don't make all the measurements clear or overlay multiple drawings of pieces making them hard to discern. Depends on when the last revision was. FullMetalJacket fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Feb 13, 2014 |
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InitialDave posted:Needs more "Those idiots in the drawing office have done it again. Oh, those idiots in the drawing office". Feels like half my day at work is this sometimes. Random pilot hole with .006 true position tolerance on a 100" long part? Whoops guess we forgot a zero on that hole, too bad you're going to have to submit a disposition to get it fixed!
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rscott posted:Feels like half my day at work is this sometimes. Random pilot hole with .006 true position tolerance on a 100" long part? Whoops guess we forgot a zero on that hole, too bad you're going to have to submit a disposition to get it fixed!  "Yes, the drawing says that feature's form is "At manufacturer's option", but we don't like it because reasons, so here's your NCR, and this will affect your quality score" Welcome to the club, FMJ. If you didn't drink before...
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It's even worse than that, since this is the first time we're making them we need a FAI and you really can't fudge poo poo when it comes to that. As far as bending goes, we do some new stuff with 15-5-5-5 Titanium and oh my god is that poo poo a pain in the rear end to bend, especially when (again, loving waterjet operators) the grain direction isn't oriented properly when the flat pattern is cut. I don't know how much Boeing stuff you guys do but if you ever get a 787 in for repairs down the line, have fun with that poo poo.
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Ummm the labels are printed on the same direction as the grain how hard is that? We do a poo poo load of monel. The heat of exhaust mixed with water and unburned hydrocarbons make a great catalyst for corrosion. Largest planes we're able to work on are 737's.
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sharkytm posted:Ever flown in a Grumman Goose? Cuz I have, and it was awesome. Dutch Harbor to Akutan. Piston driven sea plane from 1942? Check. Sitting in the co-pilot seat? Check. Landing at sea? Check. PennAir is the airline. I hate you. I am going to have to do what Lighbulbout did a while back and get a ride in a bi-plane.
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rscott posted:As far as bending goes, we do some new stuff with 15-5-5-5 Titanium and oh my god is that poo poo a pain in the rear end to bend, especially when (again, loving waterjet operators) the grain direction isn't km oriented properly when the flat pattern is cut. I just don't get this. Do your machines have a tilt head? Because it's absolutely ridiculous whoever hires the waterjet operators.  : Here is this $300 thousand dollar machine, you're going to be cutting expensive alloys with it, and if you crash the head it's $15k to get it serviced, and each (easily broken) carbide nozzle is almost $100. We are going to pay you $9/hr.And that's why you get hosed up parts. I cut all the bucks for forming all the doublers, and the doublers as well on a waterjet for a custom bombardier job through million aire a few years ago. It was interesting working with such thin T0 aluminum. At least the pay is good in aerospace...
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I think our 5 axis operators get like $12/hr but more or less yeah. As far as the pay goes it's good for the owner for sure, he's building a new hangar for his King Air but I make about $14/hr and I've been working here for almost 5 years.
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You're from Charleston, right Rscott? My dad works on '87s.
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The Scientist posted:You're from Charleston, right Rscott? My dad works on '87s. Kansas also:  Engineers.
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Could you explain what's going on in that picture? I'm so used to paper drawings because everything we do is 20 years in the past except for paperwork and documentation.
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That's an image of a part in CATIA which is what Boeing uses to design all their poo poo since the triple 7 came out. The yellow part is masking that is supposed to align with the holes in the part. They don't and it's not even close.
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rscott posted:That's an image of a part in CATIA which is what Boeing uses to design all their poo poo since the triple 7 came out. The yellow part is masking that is supposed to align with the holes in the part. They don't and it's not even close. drat. That's what happens when 6 people work on one part and never touch the final product. They don't pay you guys much south of the border huh? if someone offered me $14/h for my current position or my previous position at Mitsubishi I would laugh at them.
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Holy crap! Is the cost of living at least cheap where you're at? I got lucky and I'm a machinist at a government contractor in aerospace. I started at $13.50 and now make almost $22/hr in under a year. Current cap is $25, but I've got two choices for testing into other positions, one caps at $28, the other $29. I don't know if I can do production for a living though, it's pretty dull at times. I much rather be doing something like the OP does... I was a waterjet operator, programmer (including tilt + 3D), and also did job quoting at the (arguably) best place in town, and after 4 years there I was only making $12/hr. It was hot, dirty, and loud as hell. Glad I'm out.
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Yeah I do QA on machined parts, certification verification and correction for all our outside processing, Final Inspection, IT when our IT Admin can't figure something out, make sure all the mics and calipers and poo poo are calibrated properly, do some OSHA related poo poo, etc. Don't live in a Right to Work/At Will Employment state ya'll
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rscott posted:Don't live in a Right to Work/At Will Employment state ya'll That's why Boeing is BLOWING UP in Charleston. We're also a decent size port city, industry everywhere. They build the http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP here and I used to see an Antonov 122 flying them out to the Middle East. Though I don't know how much the port actually plays in to the Boeing plant, because they fly everything in on Dreamlifters http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747_Large_Cargo_Freighter.
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I'm in QA at a small aerospace finishing house, and I've learned to HATE the 787 program. The emphasis on weight savings, coupled with the transition to CATIA has resulted in laughable finish requirements. Wiring loom support bracket? Better make sure they minimize excess finish application. Here you go guys, enjoy your .0006" LAAI tolerance, HELL NO OVERSPRAY IS NOT ALLOWED. Also no training in CATIA has been provided, so I'm fumbling around with the minimal engineering information that's been provided to me by the customer, and I HAVE NO IDEA WUT. But I still love aerospace, hopefully one of the half dozen applications I've put into the Boeing company will pay off and I can have a cushy union gig.
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I used to be all for the 787 when it was in development, but I don't know what to think of Boeing anymore. I think if I had to make a choice id rather work for airbus. In other news, the defense services branch of my employers family tree just won a training contract with the German airforce. We also bought a company in the southern states that uses A4's just before I was hired. FullMetalJacket fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Feb 19, 2014 |
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Agent RE-RE posted:I'm in QA at a small aerospace finishing house, and I've learned to HATE the 787 program. The emphasis on weight savings, coupled with the transition to CATIA has resulted in laughable finish requirements. Wiring loom support bracket? Better make sure they minimize excess finish application. Here you go guys, enjoy your .0006" LAAI tolerance, HELL NO OVERSPRAY IS NOT ALLOWED. I deal with the other end of it, I make sure the parts and certifications we get back from finish are correct and hound our finishing vendor until they do it right, and man are they bad at poo poo. Have to reference BAC5736 and BSS 7225 on every PO otherwise we end up selling parts that have the primer flake off while they're on the airplane! Or letting aluminum parts that get class 5 anodization sit for 3 days before prime. Great times. rscott posted:Apparently 9th grade geometry is beyond the capabilities of the vendor we send our parts to get anodized and primed. Some of our stuff needs masking at various stages and apparently this is too hard to figure out: e2: We use CATIA for everything we make that's newer than the 777 and the 737-8, sure beats using mylars to inspect parts rscott fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Feb 19, 2014 |
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Just finished reading this whole thread. The turn to aerospace insanity at the end is funny as hell. FMJ, what sort of schemes are you planning for lighting upgrades for your truck or are you gonna stick with those projector housings with yellow hids? Any LED lightbars?
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Yes, the front grill is perfect for the application of led strips. The housings I ordered last after the previous collision had blue led surrounds but I never got around to hooking them up so I'm kinda bummed about that. One of the Ebay hid ballasts died too. The whole front end is misaligned and I suspect some frame deviation from straight towards the left. So I'll have to fab up a new headlight cup, etc after I heat the frame and knock it back into alignment. Its going to be interesting and rather involved because of the access of required to reach the steel. I really want to pull the cab off and do some preventive maintenance/ corrosion removal and protection via galvanizing compound and a tough paint job. Same with the engine bay. The plan with the electrics is to change over to AN/molex avionics connectors to all the ends because they're sealed, lockable and easier to use then the plastic poo poo cars are impoverished with. I like to think this thread is where the pragmatic information about airplanes goes because the other one is mostly blah blah blah heresy with a few gems buried under all the crap. That's ok though, experience with aircraft isn't as accessible as cars are to the public. Ok, content!
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God drat operas mobile browser can gently caress itself.it's not much better then the stock Android browser. It won't load my imgur, -while it did in the past- and the imgur app won't do large thumbnails like I've been doing. Options? Edit: NM, I deleted the cookies and it works again. Double edit: gently caress you opera, again with the taking a poo poo! FullMetalJacket fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Feb 19, 2014 |
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