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spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Last Saturday I was at my local bottle shop and the peddler proprietor offered me a taste of Ron Millonario Reserva Especial XO.

I was hooked straight away. It's so incredibly rich and smooth. It has a taste like rich chocolate that's absolutely amazing.
Normally I'm a whisky guy and I don't buy really expensive bottles (€80) but this time I cracked, it's just THAT GOOD.

I've a few other good rums like Zacapa 23 but this one is really in a different class for me.

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spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I wouldn't equate smooth with bland, a drink can be very good and flavouful etc. and still be smooth or rough.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I need to control myself because I want to take it easy financially this month but I have my eye on a rum nation Panama 18 and an Eldorado 15.

Must. Resist.

My Zacapa 23 and Millionaro XO are more than enough to tide me over though.
And I have an Appleton 12 that has a little bit left that needs to be dusted off. Hmmm...

spankmeister fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Sep 3, 2014

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Kenning posted:

Hey, comfort yourself with the thought that most old rums are overpriced and underflavored. Buy something young, cheap, and exciting instead. Like J Wray.
I've tried both of those I mentioned and liked them a lot so I want them anyway. However I'll keep your suggestion in mind because I tried a youngish Flor de Caña a while back and I really enjoyed it, despite an acetone note on the nose. (I suspect it had been in the bottle too long because it was the last bit out of the bottle in a bar where most people drink whisky and beer so who knows how long it had been oxidizing in there.)

My choices depend on availability mostly because the rum market here is been developing over the last 5 or 10 years. Before it was only Bacardi, Havana Club and Captain Morgan, but nowadays there's a decent selection in specialist shops.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Breaky posted:

Ron Zecapa 23 at Costco for $35. Picked up a bottle.


All I have around here right now to compare it to is some Mount Gay standard and Cruzan Black strap.


Cruzan isn't for sipping to me, it's too sweet / flavored, good mixer.

The Zecapa has a hell of a nose and still a bite at the finish but smoother than the Mount Gay. I dunno if it was worth the $35 to get personally but I haven't tried as many as most of you in this thread.

The 23 is a steal at that price point.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Kenning posted:

I actually only had it for the first time this last Saturday. I was expecting a sweet, mellow, somewhat boring old rum, but nope! Turns out all those rum contests were on to something. Lovely leathery dry finish after the sweetness and fairly plush texture.

Its the rum that got me into rums.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Got some Rum Nation Demerara Solera No 14 today, and some Panama 18yo.

The Demerara is an intersting product, according to Rum Howler:

quote:

This is quite an interesting rum. According to my correspondence with Mr. Rossi he buys aged bulk Demerara rum (roughly four to six years) from Guyana (Demerara Distillers Limited) which has been blended with various portions from each of the Single Wooden Pot (Versailles Still) and Double Wooden Pot (Port Mourant Still). You can read about these marvelous ancient stills here: Demerara Distillers’ Diamond Distillery Tour.

The bulk rum purchased by Rum Nation is taken to the Nebbiolo area of Italy where it is transferred to sherry butts (PX and Oloroso) and aged for a short period of time (about 12 to 14 months). After aging, a few liters of 1997 vintage EHP (Enmore) rum is added before it is bottled. (EHP is the marque for DDL’s ancient Wooden Continuous Coffey Still.) Based upon the information as provided to me, I can reckon the Demerara Solera No. 14 is approximately a five-year old rum. The recipe is rather simple and includes rum from each of the now famous ancient wooden stills from Demerara Distillers Heritage Plant. (I do believe the bulk rum used in the blend contains rums from other stills as well, but I have no information regarding the exact proportions, or exactly which other stills contribute to the Demerara Bulk Rum. )

So it's from the El Dorado guys, and while it shares some similarities it's different.
It's one of (if not the) cheapest Rum Nation rum and it has some rough edges (but nothing near as rough as a bacardi or something) and it misses some body and complexity in the middle but the arrival and the finish are very nice. Altogether it's a very agreeable rum for a very agreeable price.

The Panama 18 I have tried before but have yet to open my own bottle so I'll post about that later.

But so far I'm very impressed with the Rum Nation lineup.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Coming back on the previous "review" having tried it a couple of more times there is a harsh acetone note present that kind of ruins the experience for me. I'm still able to enjoy the rest of the flavours and aromas but the acetone is pretty pronounced, not overpowering but always present.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I've a Rum Nation Demerara Solera no. 14, it's the same distillate as El Dorado, and while it reminds me of that rum, at the same time it's quite different.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






You just need to try more rum, and do it in a very conscientious way so that you can build up a library of flavours in your head. You have to take your time and pick apart the rum, trying to experience all the different flavour components. If you do it enough you develop a palate that can differentiate between all the different flavours and aromas instead of just "rum flavour".

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






At that price point maybe Flor de Caña 7yo. Appleton 12yo or Flor de Caña 12 if you want to stretch your budget a bit (but get a much better rum)

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Since I last checked in here I got myself some Diplomatico 12YO, Flor de Caña 12YO, El Dorado 15YO and the new release of the Rum Nation Demerara No.14.
Have yet to try the Flor de Caña but the Dorado 15 and Diplomatico are both rather excellent.

Next up is some British style rums like Smith & Cross and Pusser's,, but I need to take it easy with the booze buying. :shobon:

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I ordered some Smith & Cross and Pusser's blue label. Hopefully they'll arrive before New Years eve.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I got my liquor shipment just in time for new year's eve, so I had some Pusser's Blue Label (54.5%)

Holy crap this stuff is amazing. Such richness and spiciness and the burn isn't even that bad for the strength.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Drinking a Dark & Stormy with Smith & Cross and Jamaican ginger beer. This is the life.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Solumin posted:

Is it OK to make an Old Fashioned with honey? I completely forgot to buy sugar...

If it matters, I'm using Plantation Barbados Grande Reserve.

I've checked with the council of elders and you have their blessing.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Here's a pic of my current rum collection:


left to right:
Zacapa 23 (Guatemala)
Zacapa XO (Guatemala)
Millonario XO (Peru)
Dictador 12yo (Colombia)
La Hechicera (Colombia)
Rum Nation Panama 18yo (Panama)
Diplomatico Exclusiva (Venezuela)
Rum Nation Demerara n.14 (Guyana)
El Dorado 15yo (Guyana)
Smith & Cross (Jamaica)
Pusser's Navy strength (Barbados, West Indies)
Flor de Caña 12yo (Nicaragua)


The two Colombian rums are the most recent additions, my current favorite is tied between Millonario and Pusser's, both VERY different. My least favorite is the Caña, it's very varnishy and solventy and doesn't smell or taste it's age.

spankmeister fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Feb 27, 2016

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Ralfy reviewed some rums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a1aotM4ym0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vniLxmPMAg0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eoh3OSyUM0

I have to say ralfy never steered me wrong so I bought the Foursquare and am very happy with it.
I'm on the lookout for the Fair 10yo and the Penny Blue.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Got myself a bottle of Rum Nation Barbados 10yo. It's delightfully fruity. From the same stills as malibu, goes to show what you get if you allow a spirit to reach maturity and not drown it in sugar and artificial coconut flavour.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Takes No Damage posted:

I mainly focus on the darker spiced rums, is that a good one for a lighter flavor? I've been avoiding the mass produced fruit flavors like Malibu and Bacardi for obvious reasons so I'm pretty ignorant on that front.

It's definitely in the dark rum camp, it's fruity and bright but also has notes of spice and dark sugar. If you only drink the spiced rums it definitely is a good step in a somewhat lighter style of rum. It's not as light and delicate as a French style Rhum Agricole like for example Clement though.

The fruitiness comes from the spirit itself, not from flavourings like with flavoured white rums like Bacardi razz/limon/whatever or malibu.

I find it interesting that with a mass market rum like malibu, the distillate itself has lots of intrinsic quality to it and if you just leave it alone to age for a couple of years and don't mess with it too much by adding all kinds of poo poo* to it you end up with a very good aged spirit that stands well on its own.

*I do suspect it has some added sugar as many rums unfortunately do.

Another example is Jameson. Jameson itself isn't all that great but the Midleton distillery where it's produced makes some rather excellent aged spirit like for example green spot and midleton very rare. All come from the same still but have gotten more time to mature in quality casks which makes a huge difference.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I'm hosting a rum tasting tomorrow and this is the lineup I came up with:

1. Rhum JM XO ( Martinique)
2. Neisson Extra Vieux 45 ( Martinique)
3. Foursquare Port Finish (Barbados)
4. La Hechicera (Colombia)
5. Diplomatico Reserva Exclusiva (Venezuela)
6. Pusser's Navy Proof (Guyana & Trinidad blend)
7. Smith & Cross (Jamaica)
8. Millonario XO (Peru)

Thoughts on the spread? Suggestions?

It may all be a bit much so I'm considering leaving off the JM, because I really only wanted to showcase a good agricole and one of the guests is bringing the Neisson so that''s covered. (And he was a bit adamant on putting it in there).
I also might scratch the Hechicera if I really needed to cut it down to 6.

Anyway, comments are welcome. :)

e: I'm quite enjoying this JM XO right now. Agricole is an interesting style.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Welp, this thread is dead :rip:

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






silvergoose posted:

Kinda is, yeah. Ask in the main cocktail thread?

Too late anyway, we had a great evening though!

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Butch Cassidy posted:

Someone convince me to drop thirtybux having the local liquor outlet order me up a bottle of Smith & Cross.

do it

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






silvergoose posted:

I'm gonna bump this thread because I had a smith n cross + reeds extra ginger brew for my birthday and it's still the best dark and stormy.

Happy birthday.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Two new additions: Berry Brothers & Rudd Carribean XO, which is Caroni rum from Trinidad, and Penny Blue from Mauritius. Penny Blue is also by BBR.

I have to say these independently bottled rums are very good. Rum Nation and now BBR have been very good to me. :)

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






El Dorado is a very good suggestion. I would also suggest a Zacapa 23. That's the rum that got me into rums. Very sweet, vanilla-y with strong raisin notes, cinnamon, clove, nutmeg etc. Excellent stuff.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Nice. Try Neisson if you can find it.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






silvergoose posted:

Isn't that the one that recently was shown to be "eh we'll just bottle any ol rum and pretend it's cool"?

On this very page even...



Unfortunately Rum in general is not nearly has "honest" a product as say single malt scotch whisky or bourbon. There's a lot more wiggle room for producers, and there isn't really a central authority dictating what can an cannot be called rum.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






sean10mm posted:

I'm very rum-ignorant and am looking for a dark rum that isn't strongly woody/smoky/charred tasting and isn't crazy expensive.

I would look for the sweeter Spanish style rums from Central and South America. I would suggest Diplomatico. There may be some subtle oak in there but no smoke or char, and the oak is way in the background behind the powerful brown sugar, molasses, vanilla, clove, nutmeg, cinnamon etc notes.

The Diplomatico Reserva is very nice, and the Reserva Exclusiva is even better if you can swing it.

spankmeister fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Dec 11, 2016

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Seconding Rhum JM, but the VSOP imo.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






What about Flor de Caña?

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Gosling's ginger beer is good, and I also like Grace.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Interesting, I haven't had any issues sourcing it. Most recently I got the 21yo.

Maybe their distribution shifted more to the EU or something because rum is becoming more popular here.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Idk what the pricing in the states is but the pussers 15yo is excellent and has a lot of that Guyana character.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Excelsiortothemax posted:


. It's was made on 'some island nation'

This doesn't really help.

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spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I have, here in The Netherlands. ;)

Try master of malt or the whisky exchange, they're UK based but they ship international.

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