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My only problem is I don't want Lunars to be EXLUSIVELY "tribal Conan's or Pocahontas". It should cover basically anyone who thrives on survival, from undiscovered tribes to outlaws to mortal Dynasts rejected by their families.
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Mexcillent posted:Good job Exalted fanbase. Good job. Did you miss the part where I said Exclusively? Conan's not an Indian and I led off with him. It seems that from all the side bars that every one brings up that they will focus on a tribal society, and I would like for the concept of survival against conventional civilization to be portrayed in other fashions also. Ya know, like how I said tribal or Dynast? Just like a Solar can exalt in any situation and from any background? Like the Theme of the Lunars is supposed to be survival, stewardship, and self-sufficiency? PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 06:39 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 06:19
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Mexcillent posted:My issue is why you think Pocahontas fits. It looks they took more thought than and still just ended up with "Well obviously since they have a different societal structure and inhabit a geographical location that isn't the same as ours than us they want to tear everything up and kill poo poo". That seems lazy and has a disturbing implication that somehow tribal societies (or really just non Western or East Asian) are just implicitly violent and envious, like they just can't survive unless they are violent raiders.
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May 31, 2013 06:57
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... I think we are arguing the same thing, but we are going around each other. I'm hoping they get away from the "Noble Savage" trope and the "Muscly Norseman" trope. Both of them have a "Heart of Darkness" feel. Like just because they aren't apart of the domninant civilization, their life is an automatic struggle to survive. Edit: I never called anyone a savage, did I? I don't recall that. That's the opposite of what I'm meaning to say... PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 07:11 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 07:09
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Mexcillent posted:I don't really care, as long as this poo poo isn't done in tropes. At all. Ever. That is also my hope, hence my hope that they don't take the splat that has the connotation of "Savage" or "primal" and make the only representatives of that splat come from non-Western societies. They should either broaden the splats connotation or include other cultures. Edit: I used Pocahontas because I was thinking of the Disney movie when I was thinking of the "Noble Savage" trope as something to avoid. I am sad to say that I really don't know much about her historical life at all.
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May 31, 2013 07:14
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Mexcillent posted:E: And, yes, the whole point of "barbarians" in Creation is that since they live apart from the dominant imperial civilization, if they live in the sphere of that civilization, they are engaged in a struggle to survive. Not because of a state of nature, but because the Realm sees them as labor pools/problems in their calculations. This part is what I was hoping they would stick to if they went with the "barbarian" theme. More like they are fighting the Greeks "You aren't us so you are a barbarian" than the stupid 1920-1950 "savage romanticism" definition.
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May 31, 2013 07:19
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Huh. I suppose I haven't read my 2ed books in quite a while. All the snipets that people were posting were about Animism and tribal raids, and that seems like a narrow concept to base an entire splat around.
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May 31, 2013 07:33
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Strength of Many posted:Dude.. The entire setting is animist as gently caress. What do you think Little Gods are? I'm dumb. I was thinking spirit tattoos and dream-walking. Which now that I think on, could be very cool powers to explore further. I'm an idiot who hasn't read the source material in a long time. I blame my tablet breaking for that... But I did get linked to new things to read on a subject that I've been obsessing on recently, so thanks thread! PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 07:43 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 07:38
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Strength of Many posted:Y'all do have a boner for meeting trope quotas, I must admit. ... Is it sad that that is how I found Exalted, on TVTropes? I think reading the length of the Exalted entries qualifies as reading a post "The Firm" John Grisham novel.
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May 31, 2013 08:32
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Nessus posted:This actually sounds a lot like ibn Khaldun's theory on the cycles of civilizations (super short summary: a society flourishes, becomes great, becomes decadent, gets knocked over by the next society, who flourish, become great...) although it would seem he, well, did in fact use the term barbarian, or at least a term translated as such. Is it even sadder that I know of this theory, (and of Ibn Khaldun) because of GURPS Infinite Worlds? Edit: Though they ultimately use Oswald Spengler's theory (presented in The Decline of the West for their "Civilization as Biology" side-bar. PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 08:37 on May 31, 2013 |
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Nessus posted:GURPSession. They basically said that presenting the development of civilizations as a biological process is a frequent tool of historians "From Ibn Khaldun to Malthus," but that Spengler is the "best-known" theorist. They also note that "although almost no modern historians take Spengler seriously, his model makes a great frame for Alternative Histories," and in typical GURPS fashion they cite a series that use Spenglerian concepts in their frame. It's presented along with a lot of other theories in the "If you want to make your own Alternative Earths here are some theories that try and explain how history happens to make your worlds sound a little better than a Harry Turtledove Novel" chapter. Faux Edit: I also noticed while reading the AW2 (IW2) alt.histories that most of the "progressing" nations seemed to have a capital in Vienna where some bold new economics were being discussed... PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 09:02 on May 31, 2013 |
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carborexic posted:
Uggh. But the most annoying thing, as many other much smarter people before me have pointed out, is that this toxic material could be very useful and interesting concepts if they just worked a little harder on the background and fluff, and toned down the "sexy" pandering. It seems like they are really limiting themselves to this concept that "Mature Content = loving and Fetishes"; They could be doing so many cooler things if this wasn't their obsession. PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 21:23 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 21:18
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Ego Trip posted:Too bad they have to write them that way or the character and the martial art won't be accurately presented. This is one thing I just can't wrap my head around. Do they not understand that they are in control of the setting now? Maybe this is the problem with the ascended fanboys controlling the writing is that they aren't comprehending that they can change entire characters or concepts to whatever they want them to be.
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May 31, 2013 21:27
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Ferrinus posted:Some Abyssal Charms require a Marital Arts score, while others- Require Fisting? Oh God, I'm so sorry...
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So have Holden and Hatewheel given up on us? I liked them coming here to talk before their colossal gently caress up...
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Did the Solars ever really need to be the best at everything? Wasn't there schtick supposed to be leadership and "bringing everyone together". I really don't see why they need to be ubermensch if they are just supposed to be the glue. And it doesn't seem like it's ever been addressed that a Solar can absolutely beat any other splat at whatever there "role" is supposed to be with a bare minimum of effort. Cause if they could surpass the other splats as easily as they do mechanically, it seems like it would have been a much better choice for the other gods to sacrifice some of themselves to the Unconquered Son so he could make more Solars than even try to match their power. PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jul 21, 2013 |
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Jul 21, 2013 22:34
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Rand Brittain posted:Solars don't have to be the mighiest Exalts any more than Sidereals have to be viziers. They just are, because that's how they were written, and nobody has come up with an argument for changing it that was good enough to convince the people who would have to be convinced. I really thought they were just supposed to be the kings, priests and other leaders, and not literally better than the other splats at everything else. Just because you're a leader doesn't mean you have to be better than your subordinates, just better able at directing them.
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Jul 21, 2013 22:45
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So maybe the problem is that the Core book don't have any rules for cross-splat play right out of the box. Cause when you're only playing Solars, you still have to have characters split to fill out others niches.
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Jul 21, 2013 22:48
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I think it would be nice for Lunars to be able to use the innate essence powers of their forms...
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I'm still not sure if they were intended to be the best at everything or if it's just lazy writing that assumes that being the leader means being the bestest at everything. Cause being a generic superman is boring and the reason I never wanted to play a 2E Solar. However, being something that is not intrinsically better than the others, but more capable of combining desperate forces together is compelling. I kinda think it would be a little more interesting if Solars were weaker than the other splats off the bat, but with the power of friendship or good kinglyness or whatever they became stronger. PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Maybe if Lunars got to be the kings of the Wyld, Sidereels kings(not literal) of Heaven, and Solars king of Creation? They get thematic "help" from their respective area. Edit: One thing that bothered me in 2E was how it was the Solars that hosed around with the Wyld in the First Age, while the Lunars, who get access to the powers of the Fae World, Just sat about loving dogs or being the furry window dressings. In the ideal, I seems like ruling over boundaries of the Wyldshould have at least required the input of the splat whose whole schtick was "Like the Fae, but not". Edit x 2: If they are removing the Chimera concept from 2E, it would also be nice if Lunars were able to go Alex Mercer on Solars (if need be). Being able to spontaneous generate a wide variety of weaponry would suit the "generalist" aspect and would hopefully cover the "specialist" Solars. Last Edit: Thinking about it in terms of "Kings of..." it would kinda be nice to Lunars having the ability to "corrupt" or alter the "Perfection" of the Solars, as befits the ability to draw on pure Chaos. Sorta like being able to import some Wyld to counter-act Solars. It makes sense from the sense of the Trickster Gods who force the hero to go about their plans in different ways, while not being directly antagonistic. It's probably obvious by now that I'm kinda fond of Lunars... Luna as written in fluff is such an interesting character, shame her chosen can't match her. PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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I would like for them to spend a little more on the "Lunars as Shepard of the Fae". In 2E it was basically just mentioned that "Hey, they can also use Fair Folks Graces", and I think it could be nice thematically to give them so more building up in that direction for those who don't wanna be literal Werewolfs, they can play with Chaos Sorcery. Edit: My general feel for how the balance between Solar and Lunar is supposed to go is that Lunars should be stronger, tougher, smarter and more P\perceptive than Solars. But, Solars are better fencers, better sailers, better engineers etc. But it seemed like the writers in 2E were too hesitant to actually say that "Yes a Lunar can be smarter than a Solar" and it was hard to represent Attributes as separate from Abilities. PrinceRandom fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jul 24, 2013 |
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Jul 24, 2013 21:04
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I got my PDF. When do the lunars get their book
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I don't care what people think Luna is awesome, shapeshifting is awesome and stealing fairy magic is awesome and being the strongest fastest and smartest is awesome
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