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Sham I Am posted:The problem is that all of the suggested digging spots, the gardens, the wright memorial, somewhere down the path from the 1896 marker stone, the amphitheater, or really anywhere else that has been suggested, is a federal crime. Even if you knew exactly where it was, who wants to go to jail and/or pay a fine, have a felony on their record or even just get arrested because they have a strong hunch on where to dig up a broken sugar bowl? Well then, I guess the next step would be to find out if it was a federal crime back in 1982. If so, we can probably rule out those locations. Pardon me if it's been answered I'm only 3/4 of the way through the thread.
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Urban Smurf posted:The archaelogical protections act of 1979 would be the most applicable obstruction to digging in 1981. Any place with significant prior archaeological interest would be rules out. Inside a fenced lot would be too questionable. If your solution then a spot is absolutely perfect it will take into account the obvious surroundings. Back in the 80's people would get a slap on the wrist when they would try to sneak off with a brick belonging to Fort Sumter. Its very unlikely Preiss buried a casque there. FOY had significant preexisting archaeological significance...so it also makes for a difficult dig strategy. In NOLA, I use the roof of a tomb viewed from OUTSIDE the cemetery to find a spot on the Neutral ground. It may be an exposed area but it is much too clear as a possibility to be ignored. It is perfectly conceivable Preiss found ways to dig outside of archaeologically protected areas, but it should be clear that there is no risk of gettng into serious trouble. The Chcago casque is a great example to follow. Lots of tree plantings, one more hole in a public park space shouldn't matter. Proximity to a Lincoln reference makes it that much better. Cleveland is a good example of being sneaky, again a public space. No real damage or danger to features required. Preiss looked for those sharply defned opportunities. I see your point, but would the publishing company approve? Seems like they wouldn't want to fund a guy committing a federal crime when the goal is for people to discover where that federal crime was committed by committing other federal crimes.
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:I've given up on the SF casque because every suspect site I'm not giving up: I don't need to see the casks themselves, just enough picture symbols to make me feel you all got it right. Find me a couple more symbols from SF and I'll be happy. I used to live in SF not 4 years ago and would gladly have trudged around the LaFayette park area taking photos. Sigh.
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Long time, first time, here. Love the discussion. I keep coming back to the window in the "san francisco" picture . Correct me if I missed something, but I have read the whole thread and it seems no one has spotted anything close to it. It reminds me of the wall in cleveland. The picture of that wall was the key piece to finding where the cask was buried. I realize that the window could just be one of the many landmarks in the area, but it just doesnt seem distinctive enough. I want to find that window. I grew up in SF and I know several natives who are landmark hawks for the area. They are also old enough to have been around in 1982 and maybe even remember that. I'll ask when I get off work. Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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Okay so i spent a few hours with my SF native friends . Sorry to say we have no new lead breaks... Yet. But i do feel i have something to offer. I've made puzzles professionally for computer games, and I am always making elaborate games and puzzles for my friends and family. I like to think I can get inside of the author's head for this reason. Here's what I noticed today about which I feel strongly. As requested by the OP I will attempt to frame everything in terms of our best clues: The solved puzzles. I am sure i have overlooked a detail or four so please jump in and correct what i have missed.. 1. The Lemontiger solution is solid up until right after the RLS and Edwin Booth plaques. Then it loses its poo poo: moving about ten blocks left just because Octavia means something related to but not exactly the word eighth? No way. The chicago and cleveland puzzles had several landmarks within a few blocks of each other. San fran is loaded with landmarks, there would be absolutely no reason to move 10 blocks west ever. Wherever it was buried there were almost definitely a buncha cool statues/landmarks nearby. I suspect "eighth" refers to the quantity of weed the author bought and smoked before finishing the puzzle. 2. My SF friends were on it: they named dozens of landmarks with windows and arches thaf looked almost, but not exactly like the picture. The number of vertical bars was always the negating factor. On that note, Urban Smurf, does your arch have four horizontal bars, all very closely spaced? Because we scoured the legion on foot and via satellite and could not find a way to line up more than two columns in an archway. 3. I like the edwin plaque and that he founded his actors union in may 1913. But the notion that this is tied to gettysburg address because its exactly 50 years later? I dont see the author referencing this time jump at all in the poem so I am really not convinced the Edwin booth plaque is right. 4. What is going on with the symbols around the dragon frock? Above the hands its a lat/long clue. But below the hands we've got chinese symbols, roman symbols, and.... "Other" . Now the puzzlemaker in me thinks these are indicators that its a word puzzle disguised like masonic/chinese/roman alusions. The symbols are just too varied to point to one cultural place . Maybe its like cleveland where the cask was between two nations? I will be studying these symbols the most over the next few days. I showed my SF friends some key "artifacts" and they will keep their eyes open/try to dig up old photos I also have some MKE friends who love treasure hunting/puzzles so I will be tackling thet puzzle while I digest all these loose SF Clues So much fun! Glad to be working on this, thanks! Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Sep 27, 2013 |
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BJG posted:"Octavia" means "the eighth". Look it up. C'mon now. I'm doing my best: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavia Don't see it here. Or here: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Octaviao It's more helpful if you provide support for your own argument. I don't mean that to sound rude, I just can't find what you're talking about. I love the archway theory. My only problem is that, in the window in the treasure hunt picture, the horizontal bricks below make it look exactly like a window... and the bars seem too close to allow human passage... I'd love to be wrong though. My MKE friends are going clubbing in downtown this weekend, I will tell them to stroll downtown afterwards and give me some pics. I'm primarily interested in pics which line up with the city hall outline... Is that too specific... maybe the perspective doesn't matter? Did perspective ever matter in the Cleveland/Chicago ones? Thoughts? So far, I really want to believe the Great Highway theory, it lines up a map very nicely. i just have two problems that keep me unable to believe: 1 The letter h is lowercase, which to me points so strongly towards Ghiradelli. 2. I understand that it is called the Great Highway, but in all my years in SF(1981-2003) I have never once heard that road called the Great Highway. Maybe It's personal observation bias, so take that with a grain of salt. Based on many previous posts, I am gonna start with Alcatraz. NOT because I believe alcatraz is correct, but because I believe it is easiest to eliminate. There's gotta be tons of photos from Alcatraz available from 1982, it's one of the most photographed parts of SF. Don't dismiss Hoopaloops' theory above that suggests it might be a door in a stone wall. I'd love help scouring A-traz from all angles, please... That window really grips me. Also, lightly, the 8th of weed clue strongly points to Golden Gate Park. One time I bought an eighth of shrooms there from someone who looks like that lady, and I totally saw that dragon. Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Sep 28, 2013 |
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davey4283 posted:We took a jillion of those pics like 40 pages back Right and they were great. I really liked the parking garage pattern, I was more wondering if people thought perspective would matter, if it ever mattered in Chicago/Cleveland and if anyone has ideas for any new/old spots they want photographed. I guess I can just read up on Chicago Cleveland. Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Sep 28, 2013 |
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Alright, I've got a couple photographers who are excited to take pics of whatever we want in Milwaukee downtown. They go into town about every two weeks so don't get too excited. But what should we tell them to photograph? Obviously the area around that "wunderstone" in Juneau needs more photos. But before I do that I have a couple of questions: - The engraving of the founder that's an EXACT match of the position of the juggler in the painting... where is that? Can I get a full picture of what that's on? So far, people have just shown a long shot of the founder's statue, then cut to a close up of that engraving which is something completely different. - Where in his explorations does lemontiger actually pass/enter Juneau park? They seem to be following directions meticulously (albeit kind of crazily), but then they just start talking about the park seemingly at random: http://www.lemontiger.co.uk/images/misc/thesecret/milwaukee.pdf. - Bridges. How many bridges are in Juneau park? The verse clearly mentions a bridge, that's right before it starts giving really specific directions like 100 paces. I might ask my photographers for bridges too - That shape under the right cuff, and the design in the fold of the road on the left... have we spotted anything matching these. It's such a weird shape and that design is obviously intentional, makes me think it might be the final landmark at which the casque is buried. Edit: The proud tall fifth refers to a tree, as we have surmised previously: There are four references to trees preceding it, and what else could a proud tall fifth be (besides what Preiss drank before writing the verse). So if there was a tree next to the rhyolite wonderstone, I bet that's where it was buried. The only two problems I have are the word "hearth," why does he refer to that? Also he doesn't actually seem to reference the wonderstone as a location, but as a mark on the tree (a letter from the country of wonderstone's hearth)... wtf could that be? Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Oct 7, 2013 |
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Just did some digging and Octavia does mean "The Eighth" as in the eighth child born. That makes sense I thought it odd that none of the definitions I found involved the number 8. Also I found that sculpture of Juneau which matches the juggler. It was probably already posted, sorry, but it appears to be from the base of the statue of Juneau. https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQvDH1AEBilt8fmu9j2hXa59mEXtD1DudoF4zD0p0xnXqgICsL Hass anyone talked to these folks? They do archaeological digs in Juneau park http://distantmirror.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/rediscovering-the-lost-neighborhood-of-juneautown/ Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Oct 7, 2013 |
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crashdome posted:Everything Dude or madam, you're awesome. I hope you keep following this thread because I greatly enjoyed your feedback. Smurf, it's hard to tell just from the images what's what. I'll definitely ask my mke people to take a look and get an exact shape of that rock
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Wow Bluradial, huge pieces that could be to the puzzle. Well done on that article, quite informative! I kind of feel that we've eliminated so much, we're back at square one. That's okay, though. Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Oct 8, 2013 |
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Oh yes! This thread is back. I actually had a dream last night we found the San Francisco one. Is there another treasure hunt book we could scour? Feels like we've done this one to death, and I remember these hunts were a big fad in the 80s
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Visiting milwaukee the first week of October to see a fellow fan of this thread. We have Sunday afternoon free. Not sure I could provide anything that the author of that excellent article didn't already show, but if someone's got a lead and wants some photos, we could snap 'em.
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Hmmm... Pacific northwest... Unbelievably long explanation ... This is a parachute account for Urban Smurf, isn't it?
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NBB, would it be possible to post just a few of the general clues that you've solved? I know I would find that quite exciting
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xie posted:Preiss visited each city and snapped Polaroids along the way. He then mailed them to the illustrator to incorporate in the paintings. Many of them are directly hidden in the paintings, and others are more subtly expressed. Obvious ones: water tower in Chicago, pillars in Cleveland, legeater in Montreal. So... What you're saying is that some of the illustrations contain real life landmarks? I don't get how this is isn't obvious. Not hating, I just think your explanation of what you are using Polaroid to refer to isn't clear.
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xie posted:gently caress it, right? Why take it to PM. If it's where I thought it was, and I have what I think is a pretty solid start location, path with confirmed images along the way, and solve for the verse... it's been a parking lot for a long time. Thanks for posting the interesting theory. Why would preiss call liberty island island of B rather than island of L? It's not like it's a key clue to the puzzle, why intentionally obfuscate things? How would you know where specifically in the parking lot/train yard to dig? I was following along in agreement until you got to the Irving stuff, then I couldn't keep up with the mental gymnastics. Still, keep in mind this is just my opinion and i've been wrong befoe, thanks for putting this out there.
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Either way the whole area's been wrecked, and still isn't open from Sandy damage.
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xie posted:Liberty Island's original name is Bedloe's Island, it's barely an obfuscation. Come on, now, the Island was renamed in 1956. I wouldn't bury a treasure in Thailand, then leave a clue "it's in the country that starts with the letter 'S'" (for Siam).
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xie posted:Yeah, I basically got it as far as you see right here and then my job (as it does from time to time) blew up, since I work in Higher Ed. I haven't had any time to visit during the day since Sept. Ain't trying to hate. I certainly don't want sleuths like you to stop posting your theories. It's the only thing keeping this thread alive. I'm just playing the devil's advocate for constructive reasons. I do appreciate your posting your ideas. Please understand, though, I make puzzles as an amatuer 3x times a week. Telltale even hired me as the chief puzzle-maker for Puzzle Agent 2, based solely on my body of work. While that's def small-potatoes in the puzzles world, I know a thing or two about puzzles, and I'd never use "Isle of B" as a moniker for Liberty Island. Also, some dig advice: Do what the author did... Dig with a lookout. Somebody comes around, walk into the woods, be like "I don't know what's up. That ain't my shovel." My mom was a federal auditor for the national parks for 35 years... even post 9/11 / subsequent bombings...they really don't care about trying to bust people who are acting chill and maybe/maybe not digging a hole. Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Nov 8, 2014 |
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Still, no one can find anything close to resembling that window at alcatraz, nor anywhere else.
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Merlot Brougham posted:We could be looking for that exact window, or it could be symbolic. The Chicago cask never would have been discovered if the guys deciphering image 5 spent the entire time looking for anything close to resembling "that windmill in Chicago" rather than understanding it was symbolic of the "windy city". It very well could just be a clue that narrows the image in to San Francisco as a starting point. From there you are able to zero in on more specifics such as the local parks that may have maps hidden in the image (like GGP), or unique local landmarks, such as the Ghirardelli building. It's a window. How does that symbolically help us realize its San Francisco? If i want to reference Alcatraz, there are about a thousand symbols I could use, none of which would be a window. The illustration is generally China themed. Chinatown is about a mile or so in back of Ghirardelli square. I certainly can't recall being able to see the backwards Gh from a point in ChinTown when I was growing up in sf during the 1980s, but is it possible?
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i'm pretty sure the location of the New York cask is Preiss' grave. Let's get digging.
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There's a road called "Isle of B" in Northern Wisconsin.
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Sorry, I've read this thread and know it's in here, but I forgot: What are the obstacles keeping people from finding the Lauderdale cask?
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Urban Smurf posted:I prefer to think the puzzles are very well designed. BP had to have known a generic shape would be ineffective. I believe each painting holds a unique signature to the objects necessary for final reference to cask position. I wish this to be true. But the fact that BP thought it was going to be easy, yet only 1/6 the casks have been dug up 32 years later is, to me, a huge red flag that he wasn't the best/most experienced puzzle designer. ithink each puzzle suffers from a serious error in showing what to do for the last 10%. We either know to take a giant step from...? Or the cask is simply not aligned with an image. I think this is heavily supported by the fact that the Chicago cask was not close enough to the fencepost for them to excavate it in one afternoon, and that the Cleveland cask took a huge amount of diggin even though he matched up the wall perfectly. I also think its weird that Preiss didn't try to capitalize off of the resurgent interest in the early 2000s by selling hints or something. Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Nov 16, 2014 |
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Might be a clue. Can you get a photo of the position the state trooper's hands were in?
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xie posted:Just because it gets posted doesn't mean I think it's important or "a match." Just some stuff I don't think anyone has looked at. So pics of your dick come next, I assume? I kid, I kid. Let's hear it for xie, he's alright! Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Nov 18, 2014 |
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xie posted:my dick is a perfect match for the John Hancock building in boston. 
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DeNofa posted:Where do you get this from? Can you post the breakdown of one of those examples? I see that it says Russia and Topaz together, but how did we put that with NY and Image 12? I think it's that the pics, maybe each one, have a loose nationality theme. Cleveland was greece. New york can be seem as Russian because of the spire architecture.
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xie posted:Because Preiss said they don't. Some people don't buy it but that's what he claims. The only real issues are burying and boxes, both of which make the user seem terrorist-ey. But there are other ways to hide stuff. I'm sure the geo-cachers in this thread could come up with a bunch of cool ways to hide stuff. I'm thinking a note/key in a film canister can could be hidden away from public view in lots of places. Or even just pick a specific spot, take a picture, and then the person who wins is the one who sends you a pic of that exact same spot. For me, though, what makes this hunt so inviting is the art. There are so many weird things in each superb fantasy illustration. It's almost... Inviting. Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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xie posted:I constantly walk the line between "well designed" and "complete poo poo" for these puzzles. xie posted:it loving sucks. This. The art is pretty brilliant, it gives clear clues about stuff in the area and the final dig point. Brilliant work by JJP and BP, especially since it seems like they only communicated with a few notes and polaroids. But the verses, man, they are the most needlessly convoluted stuff I've seen in my extensive work with puzzles. Just say "when you get to the wall count nine stones from the left and then dig." I don't need a whole verse for that. I especially don't need a verse telling me how to walk through a park or take a ferry or whatever when YOU HAVE DRAWN ME A PICTURE OF THE DIG SPOT RIGHT THERE. Because it seems like the pictures can only get you within a few yards of the dig spot, after which we have to rely on the twisted ramblings of a mad BP, it's really tough to find these casques.
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I've been looking all morning, and it really pisses me off that I can't find another state outline in any of the unsolved pictures. The two solved pictures have an outline of the state in which the casque was located. Maybe the magician's hair looks like a flipped outline of Wisconsin, but that's the only one where I can even stretch my imagination to see a state outline.
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What do you mean by "straight shot?" I don't understand because any two points on the same plane are a straight shot from each other. Thanks!
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Merlot Brougham posted:There's the Florida theory that I posted above, which you don't subscribe to. I don't weigh in too strongly either way, but put into the context of the other "negative space" state outline that we know for sure with Image 5/Illinois, I don't see it being as wildly out there. Illinois is also mirrored. I wholeheartedly subscribe to the florida theory. The reason why not finding states pisses me off is because, as an armchair treasure hunter, I'm never ever going to recogniZe an island, or a fort, or anything but a state, because those are the only geographical shapes with which i am familiar.
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xie posted:From the actual location of the Terminal Tower you can walk without turning or stopping to the Cleveland Cultural Gardens: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Cle...2d41.498386!5i1 But... That's how cities are planned: walking from attraction to attraction without having to stop or turn. I like most of your theories, but I think this one just doesn't hold weight with me personally is all.
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Any idea which verse corresponds to Montreal?
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Well done, xie, you broke ground. Can you be lookout while your buddy digs? Or do you really want to be the one who unearths it, which I could understand.
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I don't see the lamp in that image at all. I'm trying really hard and I want to believe, but I'm wondering if you posted the wrong pic? That said, I strongly believe xie is going to find this. We've known the area for a long time, from the "2C" to the green tower of lights. It was only a matter of time before someone put the final pieces together. I am excited! Edit: oh poo poo, I see it. Dayum! Mind blown. Drunk Nerds fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Nov 24, 2014 |
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xie posted:All of the lamps in that park have that design and are original Why not dig directly under the lamp?
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