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Hadlock posted:

Yeah see I dont get this. Very strange that Lenovo would go down this route. Maybe having discrete graphics rated higher in some marketing poll? At least it still has an aluminum/magnesium frame, still.

The T430s was sort of the same - the NVS5200 isn't much faster than the HD4000

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 00:21

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Hmmm not liking how the T440 is shaping up. I wonder if there is a way to shoehorn its panel into my T430s - that's looking like a better compromise to me

# ¿ Aug 31, 2013 01:05

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I'll say the 6205 (Advanced N) is still far better than what you get in most laptops - its in another league to the Macbook/Macbook Air for instance

# ¿ Aug 31, 2013 01:42

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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:

what advantage is there in having a 3200x1800 display with 2x pixel scaling rather than a 1600x900 screen? Is there any point?

You get much sharper text. Look at a non-retina iPad side by side with a retina model - its a huge difference.

# ¿ Aug 31, 2013 11:25

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Apparently Lenovo has switched to a different and far less impressive 1080p panel for the T530 - something to watch out for if you're considering one.

# ¿ Sep 2, 2013 21:08

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Boner Slam posted:

The T440S has better all around specs than the T440. Why would anyone anywhere buy the T440?

Same reasons you'd buy a T430 over a T430s - more battery options and a cheaper base price.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2013 11:32

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Boner Slam posted:

and here I thought you'd buy the T430 because of the NVS for CAD. But apparently it's the cheaper machine. Eh okay

NVS5200M vs NVS5400M. I'm sure it makes a difference but both do have discrete options.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2013 23:18

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Hadlock posted:

Looks pretty silver in spectacular lowlight too

Or are you joking, it's hard to tell

That doesn't look very much lighter than the plastic bits of my T430s - as someone else said its very dependent on lighting anyway.

While I'm disappointed about a lot of aspects of the new Thinkpads the colour looks okay to me.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2013 11:19

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I doubt the card is the issue, its more likely to be the antenna

# ¿ Sep 5, 2013 10:38

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It's a totally valid point - what good is a touch screen if there is no way of sensibly using it? Remember this was pre-Windows 8 and the situation was even worse back then (even now I'd say touchscreens are a worthless gimmick on conventional laptops)

# ¿ Sep 9, 2013 07:12

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Hadlock posted:

From the OP

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-Phones-
3.5"  640 - 325 ppi high end iPhone 5
2.9"  640 - 329 ppi mid rang iPhone 4

That's not quite right, the 4/4s is 3.5" and the 5 is 4" with identical pixel densities

# ¿ Sep 9, 2013 07:14

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Boner Slam posted:

Look, I know it plays on Low with all things turns off in a low resolution. Same thing says my link.

However, your post said the H4000 was "made to play Skyrim" - right after you said you connected it to a x1024 pixel monitor.
If it was truly built to play Skyrim, it would certainly run it on decent settings on a respectable resolution.
That be disingenuous yo, as it stands you should say "The HD4000 can barely run Skyrm"

Skyrim runs okay on the HD4000 at 1600x900 provided you bump some of the sliders down. Its an old game now, not particularly demanding

# ¿ Sep 11, 2013 09:11

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sports posted:

You should probably look for a computer with just HD5000, so you can forgo the dGPU (unless you're doing weird CUDA simulation stuff on it).
Laptops are much, much more portable when they aren't encumbered with a dGPU.

That generally isn't true though - a 15" chassis is a 15" chassis regardless of whether it comes with a DGPU or onboard only.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2013 10:19

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Srebrenica Surprise posted:

CPU speed, like most paper-specs on laptops, has been absolutely meaningless for years. Every piece of poo poo Best Buy $500 special has an i5 something or other a thousand times beyond what any application cares about, the deciding factor for performance is overwhelmingly I/O bottlenecked. Don't buy laptops on specs, buy them on ergonomics and build quality.

There is a surprising amount if low end stuff with the AMD E1 processors around which basically belong in netbooks - I'd say you still need to be careful with them.

With Intel its not such an issue as even the cheaper Pentiums are still fast enough.

# ¿ Sep 17, 2013 03:15

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mugrim posted:

Has anyone used a T430 with the dedicated graphics card option? By any chance have you played bioshock infinite? It's one of the few games I really want to be able to play that's new, and as fun as the y410p looks if I could play it with moderate playability on a t430, the ease of upgrade and tremendous battery life would make a difference to me.

I'm playing through it on my T430s w/ NVS 5200M and its playable for me at 1280x720 on the medium preset. The scaling isn't really obvious either - modern systems are relative good at that.

IMO the real problem is the display kinda ruins gaming, especially fast paced games like Infinite - it is kind of hard to see what's going on sometimes.

e. Just ran a benchmark (1280x720 @ medium)

Can't say I've noticed it dropping down that far in real play, but maybe my standards are just low

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# ¿ Sep 18, 2013 11:22

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Things are small at 1920x1080 on a 15.6" screen? Personally I think that looks fine unscaled.

Anyway how specialised are laptop displays in general? Is there any chance that a 1080p T440s screen could be made to work in a T430s?

# ¿ Sep 21, 2013 04:25

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QuarkJets posted:

I also got a chance to play some games today. EVE Online plays great with just the HD 4600 running, almost no heat at all on the highest settings. TF2 was pretty much the same case. I'm not sure how to make use of the NVidia GPU, but so far I haven't actually needed it

If you haven't fiddled with any settings then it should have switched over to the DGPU automatically without you doing anything - Optimus works really well and is totally transparent to the user.

# ¿ Sep 23, 2013 10:18

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QuarkJets posted:

If you hate the new stuff then just download one of the free mods and you'll have an operating system that is functionally equivalent to Windows 7 but is also faster and more energy efficient. There is no reason to prefer 7 to 8

Your mileage may vary but I'm seeing exactly the same performance as 7 but with a little less battery life on my T430s.

Also mods cannot fix the hideous new desktop skin.

One last thing can we please get a definitive answer on whether the Y410p supports Optimus. It's easy to check by looking in the Nvidia control panel and checking what the options are there.

# ¿ Sep 24, 2013 00:38

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It should autodetect fine.

If you want to check then open the Nvidia Control panel (it's the chip looking thing in the system tray) and it'll list the games installed

# ¿ Sep 27, 2013 09:31

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DrDork posted:

You will still be mostly limited by the GPU, which is pretty crappy by dGPU standards--it's virtually the same performance as the HD4000, but with all the downsides of a dGPU (extra weight, cost, and lower battery life).

If you're buying a specific model available with or without the DGPU then there is no noticeable size or weight penalty. Also so long as Optimus works there isn't a battery life impact.

# ¿ Sep 28, 2013 02:23

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The poster said 710m which is essentially the same speed as an NVS5400

# ¿ Sep 28, 2013 03:22

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Dammit the point of the 'e' in my Lenovo logo just put a moderately painful slice in my finger

# ¿ Oct 1, 2013 09:05

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Hadlock posted:

Do you drive a T530 by any chance?

T430s but I'm pretty sure it has the same logo. It's a seriously bad bit of design

# ¿ Oct 2, 2013 20:06

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QuarkJets posted:

Don't get the T430s; it's more expensive than the Y410p and is objectively a worse laptop in a lot of ways (previous gen processor, previous gen graphics, lower resolution screen).

They're both 1366x768 or 1600x900 only

# ¿ Oct 3, 2013 06:56

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Martytoof posted:

Unfortunately the battery life is going to be what kills the y410 for me :\

The T430s isn't much better then - its barely 4h off the six cell for me.

If you want more you'd be better off with the fill thickness T430

# ¿ Oct 3, 2013 22:26

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QuarkJets posted:

That's fine, just so long as that isn't driving you to buy a T430s, as it has worse battery life (because it's non-Haswell and comes with Windows 7). Don't get the T430s.

That's a bit of a stretch - they both have about the same (crappy) battery life.

# ¿ Oct 4, 2013 04:05

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Aphrodite posted:

He's talking about the battery life. 8 is better than 7.

I have yet to see any evidence of that in the real world.

# ¿ Oct 4, 2013 05:32

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Gwaihir posted:

My real world battery life on my W520 is much better under 8 than it was in win7. It also sleeps, resumes, shuts down, and boots significantly faster, with the same 840 Pro SSD that I was using with win7. Since I never used the start menu in 7 anyhow, there is zero downside to 8 and many upsides.

(There, I can anecdote too).

The same is definitely not true of my T430s (with an SSD) or the various Elitebooks (all with spinny disks) we've tested on at work.

The only thing that is faster is system startup (but not restarts after updates which defeats the purpose given that is the only time I'd ever switch off a laptop)

# ¿ Oct 4, 2013 23:44

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QuarkJets posted:

As you can see, I was talking about battery life. That said, there's no reason to choose Windows 7 over Windows 8 if you have an internet connection and can download classic shell

Regardless of 7 vs 8 or Ivybridge vs Haswell it does not seem the Y410p has better battery life than the T430s - they are both bad in that regard.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2013 02:00

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Acer <> Asus

I don't imagine battery life is going to be up to scratch - Haswell or not that isn't a low power processor and it comes with a tiny battery

# ¿ Oct 5, 2013 02:06

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JRay88 posted:

I have pretty much the same laptop (mine has the 4500u i7) and I love it. I get decent (6.5 hours) battery life doing lite internet/word processing. The build quality has been great so far. Although they do use some funky screws so if you want to replace the HDD with a SSD then you will have to find something to get the screws out. As far as gaming it runs everything I've tried (Eve, BF3, Crysis 2) at decent frame rates on medium settings. The screen is pretty nice also.

The difference is the 4500u is a 15 W chip, the 4700hq is 47 W

# ¿ Oct 5, 2013 03:54

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mugrim posted:

Let me explain that the only reason I watch this thread is because my MBP from 2006 finally died this year and I need a new laptop, and I'm over obsessive with checking all details over and over again. Apple makes great products but I'm kind of surprised by their reluctance to use touch screens (you know, that tech that they made super famous on two different fronts) with their laptops or try something really bold with their UI. In my mind the company that made the ipad/iphone should have been the first to jump on the touchscreen wagon.

They aren't reluctant to use touch screens, they're just not going to add them to form factors where it makes no sense

# ¿ Oct 5, 2013 04:47

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Klaus Kinski posted:

The screen is bad and the build quality is questionable on most envy 15 models.

Looks like that model comes with a 1080p IPS display so its probably as good as anything else in that price range.

Evil Creature: You should post some specs - HP has a bad habit of putting different models out with the same number, and its difficult for most of us to look things up when the results aren't in English

# ¿ Oct 15, 2013 09:29

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Martytoof posted:

Let's say that I find glossy screens to be an absolute dealbreaker in a laptop. Is there a go-to matte screen protector type thing that is recommended around here?

This would be for my T440s that I just put in my purchase req. for.

Glossy screen won't be a dealbreaker but I just hate glossy screens and I'd honestly rather put up with a screen protector. I gather you can actually get really good ones, but I'll be damned if I know what to look for.

Are you sure the T440s has a glossy screen? I thought they were still matte

# ¿ Oct 26, 2013 23:19

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hayden. posted:

no ability to reverse scroll direction on touch pad (two fingers moving up scrolls down)

Apparently Lenovo just added the ability to use the 'normal' direction to the original Yoga touchpad drivers so hopefully it'll get added before too long

# ¿ Nov 3, 2013 01:08

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clockworkjoe posted:

Lenovo's having a sale for the next few days and I've narrowed my choices down to the first 2 configurations of the IdeaPad Y510p. http://shop.lenovo.com/barnesnoblegold/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y510p

I want the 15.6 size because of the larger keyboard - I'll be doing a lot of writing and the 14 inch keyboard is too small for my liking.

The actual key size/spacing should be identical between the 14 and 15.6" versions. The difference is the Y510p has a numeric keypad which pushes the main part of the keyboard uncomfortably off-centre

# ¿ Nov 3, 2013 07:21

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flakeloaf posted:

Posting from a shiny new T430. The enhanced screen is most definitely worth the upgrade, the keyboard feels great, the speakers sound really good and the build quality is markedly better than my old Dell. But the touchpad has this irritating habit of not working intermittently. Is this a Lenovo thing, a touchpad thing or a me just being unlucky with build quality thing?

Do you mean T440? (The T430 has perhaps the worst speakers I've ever heard)

As for the touchpad there are some settings I'm control panel to fiddle with - I think by default it gives priority to the track point and keyboard as well as applying some really aggressive palm check.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2013 10:29

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89 posted:

Alright, here's the dealio. My girlfriend is wanting to spend less than $800 on a new laptop for graduate school that needs to be super reliable. She's a biology major. Needs a touchscreen, which I know carries a premium, but a laptop with touch functionality, not a stripped away tablet cause this is gonna be her everything computer. Needs to be able to run Minecraft, heh....suggestions? Best bang for buck.

Why do you think it needs a touchscreen? Has she already used a laptop with a touchscreen and actually found it useful for anything?

# ¿ Nov 12, 2013 11:09

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Vegetable posted:

Doesn't Apple do the same thing? It's either a fancy new SSD drive or a dogshit 5400 rpm drive. It's pretty god awful for people who aren't looking for SSDs.

I don't think they make 7200rpm laptop drives anymore. You definitely shouldn't be considering any Mac that comes with a spinning disk anyway - the ssd is just too big if a jump.

# ¿ Nov 16, 2013 22:56

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# ¿ May 15, 2024 00:21

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P.N.T.M. posted:

Source games are darn well covered by HD3000 (Ivy) and solid with HD4000(Haswell).

Just a quick correction
HD3000 = Sandybridge (2xxx models)
HD4000 = Ivybridge (3xxx)
HD4X00/5X00 = Haswell (4xxx)

# ¿ Nov 17, 2013 19:24

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