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Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


How long do you typically have to wait after submitting an application before hearing a response? I've just come off my Masters' in CompSci and am submitting resumes and I've mostly heard radio silence so far (not counting 'we received your email' acknowledgements)... but it's also been less than a week or two for most submissions. A good idea of what to expect would help my nerves immensely.

PS: I'm in Canada.

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Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


I've been applying for jobs and a few haven't sent any sort of acknowledgement or anything that my email was received.

What's the protocol for when you can ask "did you get this email"?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Dik Hz posted:

Don't. If you e-mailed an application and something went wrong, how would a second e-mail fix anything? It sucks, but you gotta accept that you will get no meaningful response from 99.9% of your failed job applications. You'll either get nothing, a generic bullshit copy-paste, or an automated form letter when the position is closed by their software.

When I get "did you get my application" from applicants, I always respond to the affirmative and immediately look at their resume (if HR has sent it over yet). It has never once been a decent resume. This is something that well qualified candidates never do.

I know job hunting sucks and generally makes people anxious and uncertain. But nothing good is ever going to come out of contacting anyone involved in the process in any way outside of what's described in the job posting.

OK then.

Corollary: Why don't some companies put an autoresponder on their jobs line email? People will worry there's actually been a technical fault and it never got there.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Dik Hz posted:

Have you checked your spam filter? Enough people respond to automated rejection notices by hitting the "report spam" button that a lot of large services block e-mails from the automated applicant tracking software as part of their algorithms.

Yes, I have. (I use Mail.app's spam filter and no other, and it's quite specific about what it catches.)

For reference, both of these jobs were tech jobs where you would send your resume directly to the company's email, so there was no automated application process in either case.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Could someone critique my resume? I've just finished my Masters degree in CompSci and now I'm job hunting for tech jobs. I got the Masters to better my job prospects, but now I'm worried that the work experience section looks comparatively poor because of it.

Important note: This is Canada, not the US, so 'Honours' isn't a typo. Nor is 'behaviour' despite my word processing program thinking otherwise.



Quackles fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Sep 5, 2020

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Lockback posted:

This looks pretty good, though honestly I am not sure the masters really makes it better. :shrug: You should reframe your Full Stack job experience in terms of accomplishments, not just things. What did the DB accomplish, was it a major release feature? A cost savings?

The accomplishment was that the interactive map and database, which were a major part of the website, were created - and I did so entirely from scratch, with no application framework or anything. This was an entirely custom job. (Well. I did use EaselJS for HTML5 Canvas, but that's a library so it's a special case).

I mostly mention the database part so that people who are looking for buzzwords will think "oh, he knows databases". Which I do.


EDIT: It's occurred to me that maybe that understates the significance, so: without the map, the website would have been a glorified blog. That's the significance of it.


Lockback posted:

This is maybe personal preference, but I'd put your skills up top before the experience. I typically look at that first to understand what stacks and technologies you are using, then look to experience. The skills going to the 2nd page is a bit awkward.

Hmm. Good to know.

Lockback posted:

Teaching assistant description is just a description of that job. Maybe find some good accomplishments there or maybe consider cutting that down. I think you would probably be better off getting this to 1 page if you can, but I like your masters thesis description so that might be tough.

First off, the reason I have this where it is instead of cutting it is to highlight that I have strong communication skills and I'm not just a code monkey.


As regarding 'accomplishments', though: I... was kind of under the impression that what is listed there was what I accomplished in the job. It's what I did. The students certainly liked me (I got 19/20 overwhelmingly positive reviews in post-term feedback) but I'm not sure if that would necessarily be of use on a resume.

To expand: My job in my first TA term was to teach lab sections, and also to make slide decks that the other TAs used in teaching the labs. (Me and another TA traded off for making the decks, so I made half of the total slide decks used in the labs that term). This is the term that I got the good reviews on.

My job in later terms was grading, which doesn't usually get reviews of any kind but earns you the goodwill of the professor in question.

Quackles fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Sep 6, 2020

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


After thinking it over for a bit, it occurs to me another way to rewrite the map thing might be:

"Created an interactive, searchable map of [_____] using HTML5 and Javascript. The map drew over 165,000 viewers to the site."

Is that accomplishment-focused, do you think?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Is there any way you could manage to omit your previous job from your resume, or is that not an option?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Dik Hz posted:

Of course. A resume is a marketing document and you should only put info on it that looks good.

Ah, that makes sense. I was particularly thinking of Leaking To The Press Goon's situation, where they probably don't want any future employers to dig into the incident.

Good to hear it's possible.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Dik Hz posted:

Are you sure it wasn't some sort of performance art installation and you were part of the artwork?

:emptyquote:

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Need some advice about applying for multiple jobs at the same company.

• If there's two developer positions in slightly different areas, is it going to cause trouble if you apply for both?

• If you apply for a job, get no response other than the initial acknowledgement, and then later the same job is reposted on the job board or website, how soon before you can safely reapply for it?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Say I apply for a job, and I don't hear back (or I get a rejection) but I *do* see someone from that company looking at my LinkedIn. Am I right that their primary motivation is to see what I look like?

I couldn't tell you. I deliberately don't have a photo on my LinkedIn.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Well, remember that resume I posted here a while ago? I have started to get interest. I have 3 initial interviews this week (2 today!) and a fourth next week... will let you know where this is going.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


CarForumPoster posted:

Sent you a friend request on Discord....which I guess is the prerequisite for sending DMs? Anyway, send me a resume. Also, man I hate discord.

You can also send DMs to a person without a friend request if both of you are in the same server.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


paradoxGentleman posted:

Man! So I was checking out the complementary thread on this one, and... apparently you're supposed to add people on LinkedIn even if you've never met them? Even if they have no reason to vouch for you or something? This is crazy! I was approaching this all wrong, and grinding my teeth at the frustrationg of being a sad hermit who has no idea how to make connections.

:what:

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Shadow0 posted:

No, I've never done anything useful to anyone in my life

quote:

Sorry, I don't mean to be so negative or difficult or anything. I know it's probably annoying I came here to ask for help, and I'm making it difficult. I just don't have any kind of accomplishments outside of school.


Eric the Mauve posted:

I don't want to be all E/N or anything but you seem to be in a really negative headspace and that can really drag you down. You might want to consider seeing a professional about that, addressing that might be more important to your job prospects than fixing your resume.

Seconding this. Even if you feel hopeless about your job prospects or history, acting in that way won't work. If this is affecting your internal viewpoint, again, it might help to get someone to take a look at that.

Quackles fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Mar 8, 2021

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


What are a “secret” and a “TS”?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Galaxy brain: a generalist is just a specialist in every subject :v:

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.



What field of work are you looking for?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

I won't get into too much detail on here other than to say it's in a nonprofit setting.



I suck dick for free

Oh, so you work with donors, then.
I understand perfectly. :v:

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Pillowpants posted:

I went through 4 stages of interviews and had to meet the people who would by my reports but you hired someone else? Ughhhh

I've been there, only it'd be "meet the people who would be my coworkers".

I think it was a total of 5 or 6 interviews total, with the last step being meeting the founders, who had a personal yes/no say over hiring (that bit didn't happen).

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


John Cenas Jorts posted:

I just want to bitch about this vague rear end question since this job would actually be a pretty dope move for me

Vague rear end-question? :v:

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Yeah, asking questions is also a way of protecting your own rear in case the job has undesirable traits. Best to find out about, say, what a place considers an ideal work-life balance in advance!

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


life is killing me posted:

Basically I’m worried that I’ll be pressured to join a union when I get in somewhere and I’m not keen on being in a union—don’t know fully what my rights would be in this situation. I’m in Texas FWIW

Think of it like this: by default, your boss has more power than you — he tells you what to do and can fire you.

So, if you have the misfortune to get a boss who is a tyrant, you might not be able to do much about it by yourself.

However, if you and your coworkers were able to act as a group, you could protect yourself in this situation.
That’s a union, though it’s catchier if you think of it as something like the Three Musketeers. All for one and one for all!


If you don’t want anything to do with a union, you are relying on luck and your boss’s goodwill, neither of which is particularly guaranteed.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Nirvikalpa posted:

What do I need to gain perspective on?

I had fun with my friends in college, and I tried not to take it too personally when I lost contact with them afterwards. But now apparently it's an indictment on my ability to be employed as well? I'm fine with my relationships fine but now it seems like I will never get a decent job. How is suffering financially/missing out on income something that can be solved by "fixing your perspective", especially in America?

I seem to recall you posted:

quote:

Just seems like college has been a wash for me. I just made bad mistakes at every corner. Now I feel like I will get nowhere. I'm a failure of a human being.

When someone says something like that, it's typically indicative that either [1] they blame themself for no reason, or [2] they have a mental health issue that's causing them to blame themself.


To be completely straightforward, the fact that the economy is fucky-wuckied in our day and age does not make you a failure or a bad person.

One of the next steps in your life should be taking whatever steps are necessary so that you can accept that belief.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Nirvikalpa posted:

If I can't work, what is the point of life?

Everything you do that isn’t your work.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


CarForumPoster posted:

...but also being a whistleblower under several statutes, facing retaliation for many protected reasons, being on protected leave, being a cryptocurrency enthusiast, the list goes on and on of things one can claim as causes of action.

Can you explain that one?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

also in looking this up it brought me back to the Mr Water thread and uhh drat the forums were Different back then and not in a good way

the what now

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Covok posted:

I will be honest. I definitely hot to convert ounces to cups.

That was actually a question. I guess gently caress people not from America? I mean, I am, but also don't know the imperial system. I use in my kitchen because everything in America is written in it, but I don't grok it, you know? School taught me the metric system in my area.


That's actually really non-trivial.

If you're doing it with water, you can just use "a pint's a pound the world around" and go 2 cups = pint = pound = 16 oz and conclude one cup = 8 oz.

However, if what you're measuring has a different density than water, it might be lighter or heavier for the same volume.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.



Only in Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_imperial_and_US_customary_measurement_systems#Volume

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


melon cat posted:

Does anyone even know what those letters mean

"Reduction In Force", aka a fancy way to say 'laid off'. I'm not sure what areas it's well-known in.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


ultrafilter posted:

If you have no programming experience outside of your coursework, you're going to be a pretty unappealing candidate. Do you really have nothing at all?

I know this guy - he's busy but he's given me the OK to speak for him.

He decided to retrain in CS after his first Bachelor's (the history degree) couldn't get him any sort of job.

To the best of my knowledge, he doesn't have any project work outside of just the degree.

What advice would you have for helping him get hired in any position?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


CarForumPoster posted:

Find a job description for something he wants to do and build a project tailored to that. Post it open source on GitHub with a working demo or video of it working if it’s robotics/ electronics/etc.

Erm. The 'something he wants to do' is 'get a good paying job'. He's quite flexible in that regard, but he doesn't have a specific area he's focused on.

Additionally: What advice would you give for resume rewriting in short order? He has a career fair on Tuesday.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


TheParadigm posted:

there's a goon that runs a fairly good resume and writing critique service in the SA store. Danny helped a family member out out; i bought a session on their behalf and it worked out well.

That link's broken but I'm interested. Tell me more?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Yeah, not everyone has a passion or a calling. I've known plenty of people who haven't. For them, the goal changes from "follow your star, if possible" to "get a job that pays a living wage".

In a more just society, that might be any job at all. But that's not the one we live in.

And as a computer toucher myself, I wouldn't fault anyone who decided they wanted to [re]train as a 'common lowlands code monkey'* because they heard it pays all right. There's room for lots of people in this trade**, and people needing computers trained isn't going away.



*To quote that one music video.
**I honestly think programming counts as a trade, like plumbing or welding, that picked up an exalted reputation somewhere along the way. Don't knock it till you've thought about it.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Two weeks is nothing. poo poo happens and hiring people is not something that needs to be done Today in most cases.

One of my former coworkers had the entity he really wanted to hire him (local government) take six months to continue the hiring process.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


CarForumPoster posted:

post your ssn for max resume help

hunter2

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Beefeater1980 posted:

Is that what was happening? Explains so much. What’s the machine readable format then?

Probably Word :v:

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Lockback posted:

Try to tie it specifically to that company/role. If the company uses a cool tech stack or tools, or if they are bragging about their growth, or if they are a an established name, those are all good answers. Find the things that THEY are saying that resonate with you and mirror it. Don't be generic, even if its flowery. I am not a huge fan of the question but I'll use it sometimes to judge if I think someone will stick around a bit or not. If they specifically key into our culture or specific tech stack, that's great. If they tell me generically it seems like an exciting opportunity and great company to work at, well I know they are just looking for A Job. Thats usually not what I want.

What sort of job advice do you have for people who are looking for A Job?

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Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Lockback posted:

GPA is tacky after the first few years but honors are LATIN.

Lucky you, my university just gives out "with distinction" (in English) :v:

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