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kedo posted:I'm a hair's breadth from dropping IE 8 support as well. I've only recently dropped IE7, and it still makes me feel uneasy. I was late to drop IE6 support too. Do you know any trustworthy sources that'd help me ease my guilt?
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Heskie posted:I've only recently dropped IE7, and it still makes me feel uneasy. I was late to drop IE6 support too. To be honest, I mostly look at the analytics I have access to. I do a lot of work in the same industries / regions, so I'm able to generalize from one project to another. Thankfully most of my clients are marketing to pretty savvy, metropolitan folks who tend to have relatively modern browsers. For example, on one site I'm working on all versions of IE make up 10% of total traffic. IE 8 is 4%. Barely worth supporting imo. However it looks like worldwide IE 8 still has about 9.3% of the market (varies depending on which stat agency you look at). I'd say a year from now I'll probably drop support, maybe sooner if Chrome continues to gobble up as much of the market as it has been recently. kedo fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jun 18, 2013 |
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Yeah that makes sense. I wouldn't mind so much if debugging IE7/8 in my VM wasn't such a pain. A lot of my work is within the fashion industry and my analytics suggests its very Safari/Chrome heavy, but unfortunately I still have to support IE7 on some projects for China. Its kind of rubbed off on me and makes me feel uneasy dropping it on other projects. I felt the same way when I dropped IE6 about a year ago, and is something I need to get over. Knowing that IE7 doesn't even get mentioned in StatCounter's chart eases my mind a lot, thanks for the link.
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We finally dropped IE7 a few weeks ago and I can't be more happy.
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I work in the lodging industry, specifically in arranging travel. Surprisingly, a lot of hotels still use fax machines as a major source of communication - even the big chains like Choice. We own some hotels too, and I know for a fact that some of them use IE6 because I get the odd unhandled excpetion in my email from the (4 year old!) web apps I built for them. I'm in the middle of rearchitecting our main "get reservations assigned, booked, and billed out" app. It's actually a pretty gigantic WinForms/ADOld.NET application, and we're making a web application to replace it. We can put all of our employees on Chrome, but our customers (who are often low-tech trucking and utility companies) and the hotels we deal with would also need access. The great thing about the web is that you don't need to lock those users out and tell them to gently caress off in most cases. As far as I can tell, progressive enhancement is still relevant. Build a core experience that gets the job done. Then, bring in as many fancy JS modules as you need. It might look janky and be lame in old browsers, but it will work. The kinds of users who are still on IE7 don't give a gently caress so long as they can do what they need without having to download a whole new browser. That's just good web development though - I could be just as well be advocating for blind users. Knowing your audience is #1. glompix fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jun 18, 2013 |
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Jun 18, 2013 19:41
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Our site: IE8 27.91% IE7 14.64% Chrome 10.55% 
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Kumquat posted:Our site: One of my clients sites... Safari - 42.17% Android Browser - 17.27 Chrome - 16.87% IE 6 - 14.68% Really???
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thegasman2000 posted:One of my clients sites... No, not really. IE6 is the agent reported by crawling bots. The web, at this point, is loving unusable with IE6. I'm of the opinion that if Google drops IE8 support, I do too. I'll generally throw in selectivizr and modernizr for posterity's sake, but I don't bother testing it anymore, and I make hotel websites. IE8 requires a steep fee for me to support, at this point. Nebulon Gate fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jun 18, 2013 |
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Kumquat posted:Our site: Jesus, what is this site? Some sort of tobacco wholesaler in the deep south or something? I've been working on a bunch of academic publishing sites recently and I have to say I loooooove scientists. They have such nice browsers  Chrome - 32.6% Safari - 28% Firefox - 24% gte IE 8 - 9% lt IE 8 - .9%
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We provide a service to healthcare organizations. 
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I'll throw my recommendation in for Mimosa. It's a quick way to get a dev environment up with live-reload, coffeescript, microtemplating engine, css pre-processor, require.js, linting, express, etc. without having to configure a bunch of crap. I use it at work.
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glompix posted:As far as I can tell, progressive enhancement is still relevant. Build a core experience that gets the job done. Then, bring in as many fancy JS modules as you need. It might look janky and be lame in old browsers, but it will work. The kinds of users who are still on IE7 don't give a gently caress so long as they can do what they need without having to download a whole new browser. That's just good web development though - I could be just as well be advocating for blind users. Knowing your audience is #1. I whole heartedly agree with this, but trying to explain it not just to the clients, but even people within the agency is like hitting my head against a brick wall. No Mr Designer, SIFR is not a valid workaround in 2013 and those buttons don't absolutely need rounded corners in IE7.  A lot of it has to do with it being the fashion industry I guess, and its all about being pixel perfect. I've found form over function to be very common and often problematic. Until IE7/8 dies a horrible death or I manage to teach everyone at the agency about progressive enhancement this will continue to be an issue. akadajet posted:I'll throw my recommendation in for Mimosa. This looks useful, thanks for the link.
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I hate making HTML mails. I have always hated them. I will always hate them. I hate the clients that request them. I hate the project managers that approve them. I hate the designers who make them. I hate the 1001 email clients that have a 1002 ways to render the HTML. I will crush the designer's hand that created that dropshadow effect around the rounded corner with overlaying ribbon. I will spit acid in the face of the project manager who said it could be done in an hour and then went home for the day. I will burn down the client's agency building, and bask in the glory of their eternal screams. I am a webdeveloper who had a lovely day, and this is my creed.
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Those of you who DO use Laravel, should I write a book, what would be some good topics to cover?Bastard posted:I hate making HTML mails. I have always hated them. I will always hate them. I hate the clients that request them. I hate the project managers that approve them. I hate the designers who make them. I hate the 1001 email clients that have a 1002 ways to render the HTML. I will crush the designer's hand that created that dropshadow effect around the rounded corner with overlaying ribbon. I will spit acid in the face of the project manager who said it could be done in an hour and then went home for the day. I will burn down the client's agency building, and bask in the glory of their eternal screams. Goood, goood. Anyone who doesn't use Mailchimp's et al. predefined HTML mails deserves to die in a loving fire.
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Anyone use PHPMailer? https://github.com/Synchro/PHPMailer
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substitute posted:Anyone use PHPMailer? Yep, it has existed for ages and is probably the easiest PHP mailing system in existence. It's also pretty extensible, and since it's been around for so long you can find a hundred gillion tutorials on ways to tweak it.
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kedo posted:Yep, it has existed for ages and is probably the easiest PHP mailing system in existence. It's also pretty extensible, and since it's been around for so long you can find a hundred gillion tutorials on ways to tweak it. Yeah it looks good. About to start using PHPMailer across multiple sites for my company, and this PDO wrapper as well: https://github.com/mikehenrty/thin-pdo-wrapper
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Does anyone have any experience with mediaboxAdvanced and have anything good or bad to say about it? Are there any alternatives? I've got a lot of links to various types of video files and I'm looking for the easiest way to reliably play them. Most of them are urls directly to video files, but it'd be nice to be able to do embeds from places like youtube and Vimeo with it as well.
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Thermopyle posted:Does anyone have any experience with mediaboxAdvanced and have anything good or bad to say about it? Are there any alternatives? Personally, I'd be doing a combo of FancyBox integrated with jPlayer via AJAX.
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Unfortunately, it looks like jplayer only supports HTML5 video types. A good chunk of the videos I'd like to serve are .mov (QuickTime) files and other non-HTML5 video types.
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Hey guys, I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I found this javascript library thing that interests me quite a bit. It's called Hyperlapse, and it is good at creating time lapse movies with movement from Google Street View. Here's an example video, it's pretty impressive. https://vimeo.com/63653873 I have pretty much zero coding abilities. I briefly did html web design chopup work with tables in the mid 2000's, but that's as far as it goes. The code for it is up on https://github.com/TeehanLax/Hyperlapse.js . What i'm hoping to do is make a few videos of my hometown. (I sometimes miss it) How hard is it to get something like this running? Is it out of my reach? I'm on OSX, but do have access to Windows 7 if that matters.
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the_lion posted:Is it out of my reach? Probably, considering the_lion posted:I have pretty much zero coding abilities. I briefly did html web design chopup work with tables in the mid 2000's, but that's as far as it goes. Looking at some of their samples there doesn't seem to be anything terribly complex going on (though it's a really novel concept... drat Teehan + Lax for always making such great stuff), but if you have zero coding abilities, it'll probably end up being an exercise in frustration. Getting it into a video format is going to be the most difficult part as it's not doing that by default... it's all just HTML and JS. You'll have to use capture software, or maybe somehow batch download all the images it grabs or something. I might try the Goons for Hire thread.
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the_lion posted:Hey guys, I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. There's a front end for it. http://hyperlapse.tllabs.io/ Map your route, and when you want to record (you're gonna have to use some type of screen capture software) and remove the controls, type this in the address bar: code:code:
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Thanks guys. kedo posted:Probably, considering The video capture part is the easiest bit, i've got capture software. Fair call about lack of coding experience, I might hit someone up in that thread if I get stuck. Winter is Cuming posted:There's a front end for it. The front end is really only good at short distances, I may just stitch a few short bits together and see if I get away with it. That code definitely helps, thanks a heap!
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Anybody here has managed to have d3.js happily work with IE8? Have you needed anything more than aight.js to make the magic happen?
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Can anyone recommend a good mobile UI framework? As in, something better/faster/smaller than jQuery-mobile?
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The Insect Court posted:Can anyone recommend a good mobile UI framework? As in, something better/faster/smaller than jQuery-mobile? If you do not require the native app look & feel try bootstrap / gumby / foundation. Are there any specific features you want?
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Oh My Science posted:If you do not require the native app look & feel try bootstrap / gumby / foundation. I was thinking something meant more as a full on framework for building web and hybrid app UIs, rather than just CSS. So, layouts, some basic widgets, device awareness, etc. Sencha Touch looks interesting, but I hear it's got similar performance problems.
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I am having some problems with deploying a new site in wordpress. Its been working fine on FF, Chrome, but when it comes to IE it gets all sorts of errors. I had it running in IE8 and it worked fine but some customers report problems in IE. Your Skill Level: Low (learning) Any necessary project requirements: Using Wordpress Include source code whenever possible:Some screen shots from when I went to validate the site.    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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None of those items would cause problems in IE... those are just relatively minor validation errors. Validating can sometimes help you spot problems for browser rendering inconsistencies, but rarely. You'll need to actually view the site in IE to spot the issues. Also when people report problems ask them for screen shots so you know what to look for. I'd imagine your issues are probably CSS related. Post some code and/or a link to the site if you can?
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kedo posted:None of those items would cause problems in IE... those are just relatively minor validation errors. Validating can sometimes help you spot problems for browser rendering inconsistencies, but rarely. You'll need to actually view the site in IE to spot the issues. Also when people report problems ask them for screen shots so you know what to look for. Sure, its vbssys.com.
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Well there are some minor rendering inconsistencies (for example the light gray gradient below the carousel on the homepage), but otherwise in IE 8+ it's fine. In IE7 you have lots and lots of Javascript errors that interrupt page loading and prevent the carousel or any other JS from running. You need to troubleshoot that (sorry I can't be more specific, don't have time to dig into it right now). Do you have a computer with IE 7 you can test on and/or do you need to code for IE7? If less than 1% or so of your users are on it, you could potentially ignore it. Also anti-alias that ugly type. 
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kedo posted:Well there are some minor rendering inconsistencies (for example the light gray gradient below the carousel on the homepage), but otherwise in IE 8+ it's fine. I have no idea how to troubleshoot that at all, I am assuming Googling the problem will be fine? I don't have a computer with IE 7 on it to test with. Thanks for the heads up, if you do want to dig into it let me know, I can pay for whatever help you give.
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Flaggy posted:I have no idea how to troubleshoot that at all, I am assuming Googling the problem will be fine? I don't have a computer with IE 7 on it to test with. Thanks for the heads up, if you do want to dig into it let me know, I can pay for whatever help you give. Hit up the Goons for Hire thread, I'll bet you can find someone to fix that really easily. I'd help you it but I just don't have the time at the moment, sorry! It might be some good experience if you want to figure it out for yourself, however debugging stuff in older versions of IE sucks due to a lack of built in developer tools. So it might be better to shell out a few bucks to get help from someone who's already gone through all that frustration rather than going through it yourself. But if you're going to be doing a more development in the future I'd highly, highly recommend figuring out a way to test in multiple versions of IE. There are some good options in the OP for pretty much every operating system.
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kedo posted:Hit up the Goons for Hire thread, I'll bet you can find someone to fix that really easily. I'd help you it but I just don't have the time at the moment, sorry! It might be some good experience if you want to figure it out for yourself, however debugging stuff in older versions of IE sucks due to a lack of built in developer tools. So it might be better to shell out a few bucks to get help from someone who's already gone through all that frustration rather than going through it yourself. Cool, I really appreciate you pointing me in the right direction though. Thanks!
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Flaggy posted:Cool, I really appreciate you pointing me in the right direction though. Thanks! I've sent you a message.
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Here's a question for you guys: let's say that *hypothetically* I might have not realized I really should have supported IE8 from the get-go on my site and I'm now stuck with a very modern IE10/FF/Chrome-friendly HTML5 site. I'd love to figure out how to make it compatible with IE8 as well. It's my understanding that there are a bunch of hacks out there that might fix a lot of the issues in one single step, like including a comprehensive backwards compatibility shim etc. What would be such libraries that would make this possible? I know absolutely nothing about IE8 compat and would love a tip or two.
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DreadCthulhu posted:Here's a question for you guys: let's say that *hypothetically* I might have not realized I really should have supported IE8 from the get-go on my site and I'm now stuck with a very modern IE10/FF/Chrome-friendly HTML5 site. I'd love to figure out how to make it compatible with IE8 as well. It's my understanding that there are a bunch of hacks out there that might fix a lot of the issues in one single step, like including a comprehensive backwards compatibility shim etc. https://code.google.com/p/html5shiv/ That's pretty much all you need. Certain really complex stuff (like canvas animation) might not work so well, but the shiv will fix the majority of HTML5 fanciness.
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So, I figured out you can make a working column grid without needing margins by using text-align: justify. Anyone interested?
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Winter is Cuming posted:So, I figured out you can make a working column grid without needing margins by using text-align: justify. Anyone interested? Huh? Yes.
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