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andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Xenix posted:

Except for, you know the wings. And the ability to sing things into existence.

i always assumed this was more how they interact with their technology than something posthuman, it's really not any different than how isidore uses his nanotech synthesizer to make food. There's just no mysticism associated with my example.

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andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
The mote in god's eye has a laser figure pretty prominently in the plot.

the gleaming light in the nebula - the mote in god's eye of the title - is actually a big laser built by an alien civilization that never discovered FTL. the laser is pushing a solar sail-based craft toward a system that's inhabited by humans. Kind of a cool idea but then a niven/pournelle novel happens

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Koryk posted:

If it's pushing a solar sail, how can anyone see it?

even lasers manufactured to extremely tight specifications have spread, presumably it just bled over the edges of the sail. anyway who cares

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

fritz posted:

Go read the one about science fiction fans saving the day in a world where the new global ice age has begun b/c the us government got taken over by environmentals and they shut down all the pollution that was making it look like global warming.

You could try the one where jerry pournelle is a mouthbreathing reactionary, or the one where larry niven writes creepy sex romps for his self-insert character.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
All these years later consider phlebas is the only culture novel I've reread more than twice. It's just a ludicrously fun book to read.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Fremry posted:

I haven't read it yet, but when I asked for general Sci-Fi recommendations maybe a year ago, I got ~30 from various different authors, and the only Lem that was recommended was Solaris. Not that I think this helps much, but that's the only Lem on my list that I got recommended from here.

It's not sci fi but if you like Lem read A Perfect Vacuum. Be warned though, that book is "literary" as poo poo if that's a turnoff for you.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Neurosis posted:

The Causal Angel gonna loving own. Looking forward to Zoku culture and discovering whether or not they were in fact the 'good guys' (at least as far as our modern sensibilities can recognise such).

when is it supposed to come out?

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Neurosis posted:

April or May. Echopraxia is also due around then. This year is going to be really cool for sci fi.

oh awesome. I graduate school in may and i don't start work until the end of june. I'm gonna read the poo poo out of those books.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

specklebang posted:

In a manner of speaking. Addicted since age 12 (I'm 70 now) and hopelessly addicted, COPD, unable to breathe triggering anxiety attacks. Did a 3 day quit and as I started screaming, I picked up an E-cig and now it's 9 months since I touched a real cig. So, yeah, saved my life.

Sorry for being off-topic. Sorry for supporting Asher (whose books I really like). I'll shut-up now.

Wow. If you don't mind my asking, what made you decide to register here at age 70?

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Jedit posted:

He's not even the oldest goon. There's that guy - I think he's a retired cop - who dinged 70 last year.

Back to Banks: don't automatically assume that because you liked The Player of Games you'll like any of the others. I do like TPOG, but it's the only Banks book I've ever thought was any good.

Yeah but tokaii has been a goon for like ten years and also plays tons of MMOs

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

specklebang posted:

I went rummaging through the internet looking for a forum occupied by highly intelligent people. After many mouse clicks, I discovered this oddly named board. So, I'm here to learn, not to teach. I belong to other forums but while the people are (mostly) nice, they aren't very deep.

I've seen so many intelligent posts on SA that it gives me back some hope for humanity. Plus, I have discovered some new books here and after a lifetime of reading, I'm running low on really good material.

I paid my way in for membership because I'm not a "free rider". I always donate to the forums I attend because it seems like the right thing to do.

Thanks, that's an interesting answer.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Cardiac posted:

Also, why don't we ever call out Mieville for being a communist/socialist that still believes in the revolution?

you say this like it's a bad thing.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
It ties in with being well-written, but his characters also aren't bomb throwing radicals either. Isaac was by far the most so of all his protagonists, the rest of them (of the books i've read anyway) are generally socially conscious but hardly revolutionaries.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
Anybody read Terminal World by Reynolds? I picked it up on a whim at a bookstore recently, haven't cracked it open yet.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

General Battuta posted:

Yes. It's probably his single worst book. :( I wouldn't discourage you from reading it now that you've got it, but man.

Ugh great. I should have gotten the stats textbook I was looking at instead.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

andrew smash posted:

Anybody read Terminal World by Reynolds? I picked it up on a whim at a bookstore recently, haven't cracked it open yet.

Well I started reading this despite advice and it's like a fluff novel for a painted minis game.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Khizan posted:

I've never made it more than a few hours into ME1 because the combat is so awful. ME2 and 3 got a lot of things wrong, but going from half-rear end-shooter to 3/4-rear end-shooter wasn't one of them.

if you approached mass effect from the expectation that it was not a shooter but an action RPG it was considerably better. The shooter gameplay is poo poo but for a diablo in space it's not as bad.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Khizan posted:

Yeah, but you still have to play through the lovely gameplay no matter how you look at it. I may try it again and just use a character editor to supercharge myself enough to utterly trivialize the combat. That's how I handled Planescape: Torment which I had the same "awesome story lovely gameplay" problem with.

You don't need a character editor, ME1 is ludicrously easy no matter what you do.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
From what I've been told it's not that the English translations are bad but more that Lem's polish is extremely witty and a lot of that specifically doesn't survive translation.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
If you are, like me, bothered by an author being a massive shitlord don't read SM stirling.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

General Battuta posted:

Everybody's* coming up shitlord in the SFWA debacle over this past week :negative:

*not literally everybody, but a fair few authors I thought were chill

Oh yeah? I don't follow this drama particularly, fill us in.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Ornamented Death posted:

It's pretty much the same debate that's been going on since the summer (longer?) with maybe some new names involved.

Considering, as I mentioned, I don't really follow it, i appreciated GB's summary.

Edit: who was the old white guy? Jerry Pournelle?

andrew smash fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Feb 18, 2014

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

anathenema posted:

Is this the dude that wrote stories where society collapses and all pretty young girls are enslaved and it rings a little like a nerd revenge fantasy or am I thinking of someone else?

Same guy. Except not a little bit at all, the world is literally taken over by SCA dorks because they know how to swing swords around and poo poo.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

anathenema posted:

That seems like a benign nerd thing. Did the sex slave thing happen in his books or am I thinking of another creepy dude?

And I echo the demands to know why he's a shitlord.

Sex slave thing did happen in that series. It was egregious, the scene I remember involved "pretty college girls" wearing dog collars and translucent clothes calling everybody 'my lord' while acting as wait staff in king nerd's new castle.

I found it particularly creepy due to the fact that the novel takes place in the city where I grew up, came out while I was in college, and the university the "college girls" came from was heavily implied to be my university meaning the girls he was creeping on and fantasizing about enslaving were literally my friends and classmates.

Shitlord status extends to him because he goes out of his way to defend his creepy bad novels online. I wish I had kept the link but honestly it was nothing special, basically just "you're too stupid to appreciate my genius".

andrew smash fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Feb 18, 2014

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Jedit posted:

I'm not bothered by it, "death of the author" and all that. In the case of SM Stirling, though, I wish death of the author applied literally so he wouldn't write any more lovely books. "Excellent genre fiction" is not a sin of which he can be accused.

This a thousand times over. I haven't read peshawar lancers so maybe it's different but Dies the Fire made my skin crawl due to creepiness and my eyes roll from frank stupidity.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

spider bethlehem posted:

I'm sort of loath to bring him up in this thread, in case it turns out he's also an unbearable twit, but has anyone else here read Iron Dragon's Daughter by Michael Swanwick? The rumor has it that he was so sick of fantasy authors recapitulating the Lord of the Rings that he tried to write something which applied a radically new take on the classic forms. In the book, dragons are basically jet fighters that can hate, and a changeling girl enslaved in a factory meets one that has broken the bonds of slavery and now seeks freedom. I think (and the ending has some regrettable hallmarks of the era's fiction, and so is unclear) that he ends up trying to destroy the matrix of the universe as revenge for daring to create him with her help, and it's pretty metal. There was a sequel recently, Dragons of Babel, I haven't read yet.

I read this book about 10 years back and remember really enjoying it. I might reread based on your post.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
Personally I support forming an exploratory committee to look into awarding a Something Awful Forums Readers' Mondo Shitlord in SF/F Prize. We could nominate and award them yearly. God knows most of us have been hanging around this thread a few years anyway.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
If you happen to have not read china mieville's fantasy you should try that. I avoided perdido street station for a long time, mostly because it came out right when some people I knew in college were starting to glue plastic cogs spraypainted with fake brass to top hats and all I could think was ugh steampunk. Despite really enjoying his sci fi throughout the years I never picked up the bas lag books until relatively recently and I regret waiting so long, they're quite good.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

GrannyW posted:

Blacklists are bad mmmkay?

so is quoting south park

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

GrannyW posted:

I've never seen South Park. Nor read any quotes from it. *shrugs* Not my style of humor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M

looks like it might be more your style than you thought!

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Tony Montana posted:

It happens all over the forums, the thread will be quiet for ages about it's actual long-term topic and someone will say something lovely or controversial and suddenly the thread is flooded with all these people just wanting to be part of the pile on. They're not interested in the topic at all, just the drama.

The Power of the Internet. Or as SA has been saying for ever.. Serious Business.

That sort of raises the question: if the thread is that quite so much of the time why does it matter if it gets "derailed" by author chat?

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

ravenkult posted:

I couldn't even finish the first Laundry book. I'll never understand why Stross is popular.

I really don't like the laundry books but some of his short fiction was pretty good. I kind of hate cthulhu themed stuff anymore but A Colder War was probably the best thing I've read in that sub-genre. Missile Gap was enjoyable too.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

General Battuta posted:

But also this thread, I hope! Speaking of, I've got a space opera/military SF story up in Clarkesworld today, Morrigan in the Sunglare. It is a not-too-subtle tribute to one of my favorite game stories, FreeSpace 2.

I know you've mentioned short fiction being available online for free in clarkesworld, etc - is there a SF/F short fiction RSS for the lazy to which i can subscribe, or something similar?

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

TOOT BOOT posted:

I read Neverwhere, Stardust (I think), and American Gods and was pretty ambivalent about all of them afterwards.

This is one of my pet peeves, ambivalent doesn't mean uninterested or bored. Loosely it means something more like conflicted, more closely it means being pulled in two directions, so that while the net effect may be the same as uninterested - no movement/decision/action - that effect is reached for different reasons. It is a subtle and useful word.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Piell posted:

Definitions of words change, sorry for your sperg buddy

This one hasn't. Sorry for your worthless posting.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ambivalence

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
IMO Rajaniemi doesn't incorporate enough real neurology or psychology to make it worthwhile for that purpose but I dunno. I think blindsight was the best suggestion.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

nucleicmaxid posted:

I entirely understand that point, however I have the opposite problem. If there aren't clear cut rules, then there's no real way for me to judge whether someone is truly outmatched. For example, Gandalf: At one point he struggles with a Balrog, nearly dies, and comes back as Gandalf the white.

I have no concept of how strong a Balrog is because we meet one, and the system is loosey goosey whatever. When Gandalf comes back, he kicks fucktons of rear end... is that something Gandalf the grey could've done? Or is the whiteness a massive power increase? There's no way to know, it sort of renders everything random and without any sort of actual meat to it. I have no idea if Gandalf's ability to be a sword wielding, flame shooting badass is because of the White title, or if it was always there, but hidden away. It alters my perception of Gandalf depending on which is true, and leaves me with less of an actual impression of him as a character. A Gandalf who was playing it quite during The Hobbit is a very different character than a Gandalf who was trying his best, but didn't have as much Ainur juice or whatever. It matters.

Maybe tolkien should have just made another appendix with character sheets for the fellowship and stat blocks for the enemies

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
He's just touchy because he got mocked a little. Sorry dude. It's not personal, we just clearly read very differently. As cardiovorax pointed out you might understand Tolkien a little better if you try to engage with him as a writer of myth instead of a writer of d&d novelizations.

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

General Battuta posted:

It's not, though, the Sanderson passages being quoted in this thread are just absolutely dreadful writing. This is not a matter of subjective style, it's a matter of one approach being really tricky to execute without falling down in a clattering heap of embarrassingly pubescent exposition.

Yeah but that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

nucleicmaxid posted:

See, you're getting it!

Obviously you're not a golfer

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