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Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
My coworker was telling me how she visited her son and his wife sometime in the past. The son then asked for money because they were out of it because of whatever reason so she wrote them a check for like $500 I think. When she got back, she noticed her digital camera was missing and called them. The wife said she took it because my coworker didn't give them enough money. She hasn't talked to either one of them since.

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Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

Authentic You posted:

I've never understood destination weddings or destination bachelor/ette parties (wtf, I've not heard of these - do they go elsewhere to some tropical locale to have a party and then come back for the wedding?).
Most people just use these as their vacations for the year.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
Gotta weight it against the attorney fees you'll have to pay for when you get brought up on terrorism charges.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
That's already explained away by saying that people as a group subconsciously know what's best for them or something.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
I don't see how any financial literacy class wouldn't delve into math though.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
You can find some pretty crazy stuff that they let slide through as long as the person quits and shows some kind of remorse/remediation. What canyoneer showed was someone who ran up $80,000 in credit card debt, went bankrupt, and then had his house foreclosed on 5-7 years later. That isn't exactly a case of bad circumstances. Your friend probably wasn't denied solely because of his weed card, it was probably his multiple DUIs.

There's plenty of cases like this one:

quote:

Applicant’s wife has had medical problems for some time, resulting in delinquent medical debts and unpaid judgments. Applicant has a plan to address his delinquent debts. Financial considerations security concerns are mitigated. Clearance is granted. CASE NO: 11-08375.h1

Here's one of a guy who stopped smoking weed for like a year and got cleared.

quote:

11/23/2012
Applicant used marijuana about 60 times between 2005 and August 2011. During that period, he was 19 to 25 years old and was attending undergraduate and graduate school. Since August 2011, he has not used marijuana and has obtained a job. He no longer associates with drug users and signed a statement indicating his intent to abstain from illegal drugs in the future. He has mitigated the drug involvement security concerns. Eligibility for access to classified information is granted. CASE NO: 12-03923.h1

I got a chuckle out of his bankruptcy attorney going bankrupt

quote:

Case Number: 11-05910.h1
Financial
10/24/2012

Applicant is 54 years old and employed as a Web Technologist for a defense contractor. His excessive indebtedness partially caused by his wife's loss of employment has not been sufficiently mitigated. Although he hired a law firm to assist him in resolving his delinquent debts; and they went bankrupt after the Applicant paid their fees, he has had sufficient time to re-address his delinquent debts, and he has not done so. He plans to file bankruptcy in December 2012, but at this time he remains excessively indebted. His past due indebtedness has not been resolved. Clearance is denied. CASE NO: 11-05910.h1

Harry fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jul 27, 2013

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

April posted:

An update to this one:

They went to Disney, and her husband was in the ER within a day or 2 of returning. They are now driving all over, staying in hotels, buying costumes, eating out, etc. so that the daughter can compete in pageants. The only thing I can think is maybe her husband is actually dying, and they aren't telling anyone, but doing everything on their bucket list right now. The alternative (that they really are that stupid with their finances/don't really care about the impact of loving CANCER on every aspect of their lives) is just too depressing.

Really if he has cancer, using a large windfall to pay for any part of it would most likely be throwing it into the abyss unless we're talking millions here.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
Where do you even get a laptop that costs that much that isn't an apple? Alienware, if they still exist?

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
I'd say it depends. I can see not charging rent if the child isn't just blowing money left and right.


Chupe Raho Aurat posted:

How bout this guy?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/a-fam...gccmt-container

$100 000 spent on loving Beanie babies.. all stored in huge boxes for the day they become super sought after again. Do people even buy these anymore? I have not even seen one in the last 5/10 years.

I'm pretty sure the "market" for these vanished within like a month of the craze.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
She probably has a decent job so the payments don't seem like much to her.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
That's a dangerous question there son.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

Saros posted:

The mormon church is 'great' because they at least are honest enough to have their charity work tithed as an extra giving.

As for bad with money I know a guy who spent all his inheritance (his father passed away) across his 5 years at university. This may not seem too bad at first but his inheritance was over 15 million dollars.

Highlights include the $23,000 weekend spent at strip bars, the 50,000(ish?) BMW that literally rusted away in his driveway because it was never driven and flying himself and 7 friends to Vegas (from NZ, buisness class) to see a concert on a whim. No idea what that cost but must have been over 30K easy.

He basically frittered it away across the years and nobody realised it was a limited supply deal until it was way too late.

You dont' take 7 friends to Vegas and spend $30,000. That's easily a $100,000 trip.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
I was watching an American Greed where someone setup a Forex trading exchange or something. Instead of actually having it invested, he just took all the money and spent it. His logic was they were just going to lose it all anyway. I got a pretty good laugh because he was probably right.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
He somewhat has a point if you're on track for a $200,000+ year job before you're 30. This obviously applies to very few people.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

To be fair, his current budget (with the kid) is $27,000, which is roughly 50% of the current US median household income. That's a pretty all inclusive demographic.

Has he made a post recently about healthcare costs? I've been seeing a lot of people talking about their invidiual coverage tripling the past few weeks even with a $10,000 deductible.

Harry fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Oct 11, 2013

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
I was talking more along the lines of something like this:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/1303815/

Obviously not evidence of some large scale problem but I've seen like 5 threads across fatwallet and bogleheads mentioning premiums doubling-tripling.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
I think around $750 a month premium and 11k deductible you have to start seriously weighing risks.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
It's $11,000 + the $740 premium. Then you include whatever coinsurance you have to pay and other things not covered it's probably more like $21,000 in a year.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

cstine posted:

Fun story there! I worked as a contractor for a company doing that, once. It was for an unrelated matter, but they stole EVERYTHING. Windows desktop clients, windows server, office, exchange, photoshop, acrobat - everything. I did mention it to the management, once, and they threw a shitfit about how much it'd cost and that it wasn't my problem (which was true) and to not bring it up.

Well, turns out that if you're sleeping around in the office and someone gets mad about something and for revenge decides to call Microsoft about it, they actually show up and drag your rear end through court, whereupon you lose, and end up out of business.

Seriously, Microsoft's business licensing guys are much like the IRS in terms of how much you can get hosed if you dick with them.

A computer store I used to go to in the 90s got massacred due to selling people computers with pirated versions of Windows 95 and Microsoft Office. The store was gone overnight and reopened a year later owned by someone else.

It makes even less sense now since Microsoft Office doesn't cost like $600.

Harry fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Oct 14, 2013

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
Living in Toronto probably means she's blowing $2000 a month or more on rent.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

melon cat posted:

Heh, that's the funny thing about about people and casinos. Everyone who goes to the casino thinks that they can beat the system. Everybody. I've had clients call me late at night to increase their overdraft limit/daily withdrawal limit because "I feel my luck turning around!" then flip their poo poo when I decline them/refuse to add additional overdraft. It's like watching a drug addict go through withdrawal.

The lesson: The House always wins.
For the large majority of people, it's not that they think they can beat the system, they just want to.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
This was obviously back in the good old days.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
It doesn't really matter since when the Fed gave all that free money to the banks back in 2008 and 2009 to increase lending, all they did was just buy US treasuries.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

MrKatharsis posted:

What do you expect from a thread whose purpose is to judge others for perceived wrongful financial behavior?

To contribute: I knew a guy who crashed on couches for a few months after moving back home from out of state. It took him 8 weeks to find a job and when he did, he blew his entire retail paycheck on a big bag of weed to "pay back" his housemates instead of giving them rent money or buying his own food.

Did the roommates not want this? I'm failing to see the problem here.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
They didn't fall into any trap though. They almost certainly didn't have to pay capital gains tax unless this happened 16 years ago, they just spent all the money.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

TLG James posted:

I consider him bad with money because at no point should he have had any kids. The oldest kid, in the thread was from his wife's previous relationship, but it sounded like they were living to paycheck to paycheck with 1 kid, but doing ok, then they had another kid for unknown reasons, then TWINS.

quote:

2-year-old twins were a surprise pregnancy/double surprise twins.
Combination of being dumb and unlucky.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

TLG James posted:

They had one kid (with each other) before the twins already.

Yeah, I misread it and thought you were asking about the twins. Honest, the two kids would have been fine, but the twins was the nail in the coffin. The wife could possibly have gotten a job and have one kid in daycare, but the twins made it pretty much impossible. Personally, he should be looking into government services harder than he currently is.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

Yaos posted:

Any thread in the personal finance subreddit are people bad with money. It seems to always come down to people asking other random people for permission to buy something or they are too lazy to make their own budget.

http://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/1s8f41/make_good_money_and_still_broke/ is a good example. He makes $100,00 a year, does not post any of his expenses and is wondering why he's broke. He keeps pity posting in the thread apparently trying to get people to magic up his expenses for him.

I don't know, half the threads I read seem to be brag threads where someone is asking how do they save money when they're 22, making $90,000 a year and spending $30,000 or something stupid like that.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
http://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/1sd485/am_i_trapped_making_high_car_payments_for_6_years/

quote:

First and foremost, I want to stress that I'm coming to you all in the spirit of learning and hope that you will take pity on me in my ignorance.
Now that's out of the way -- here's the sitch: A few months ago, my boyfriend of several years and I broke up and my parents insisted I move back in with them to "get things sorted out". They helped me get set up in a 1991 Dodge truck, which promptly succumbed to a series of expensive problems that rendered it unsafe to drive. I need a vehicle to get to work, (and my credit is atrocious), but a bank was willing to finance me for a car. This car was NOT my choice, but it was the only one the dealership told me a bank would finance me for.
It is a 2012 Chrysler 300, and it is costing me a fortune. Here's the details, as best I understand them. (Remember what I said about being nice? Here's where that comes into play.)
My annual percentage rate is 18% and I'm paying $508.69/month over 72 months. The total amount financed is $22,137.29 and the total amount I will pay after all is said and done is $36,625.68.
I will remind you that I needed a car for work, and one that is reliable. I know nothing about cars, was already a little in the hole from the dying truck (which I paid off last week), and had no willing co-signers or savings to contribute at time of finance.
While I don't pay rent or utilities (cable, electricity, internet, phone, water) while I'm living here -- I want to be able to move out. I don't want to stay here forever. Oh, and in addition, I'm paying about $120/month for full coverage insurance on the 300. Is there anything I can do to start changing what I assume was a bad decision? Was it that bad? It felt like the lesser of several evils at the time.
Please help me understand my options, if I even have any!
(Edit: And of course I mistype the title, because why wouldn't I?)
(Second Edit: I'm looking more for advice on how to proceed, and not reminders that getting this car was less than ideal. I knew it wasn't ideal when I signed the papers... but there were a lot of factors, not the least of which was the prospect of losing my job which demands I drive to different dispatch locations at random times across a large metro area. The job pays well, has good benefits, and I've been there 7 years. As foolish as getting this car may seem, (and probably is), it pales compared to how foolish letting this job go would have been.)

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
What a dumby. The "in" thing to do is roll the old loan over into the new one.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
It means the dealership found a sucker.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
I imagine it went down similar to this classic SA thread which I don't think has been mentioned here.
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2873673&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

kitten smoothie posted:

I really wish the scan of the contract hadn't fallen off the internet, because I'm even having trouble wrapping my head around this thing. As much as the F&I guy at the dealership will try to distract you from reading it, the truth-in-lending statements are quite clear about what you will be paying, when, and under what terms.

Am I correctly understanding that what he wound up doing was buying a vehicle on what essentially amounts to an interest-only loan, with a big balloon payment? His "down payment" was prepayment toward the balloon payment at the end, but he still was just paying interest every month?

What it was is that he got a lease, and then promised to buy it at the end of the lease period (3 years). From what I remember, the $16,000 down payment is simply a promised amount and the interest is accrued as if he owes the full $33,000.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

Say Nothing posted:

One thing I've noticed when looking at various motorcycles over the years is that a lot of the more expensive second hand bikes often have very low mileage. It's like people buy these top-end bikes which are costly to insure and maintain, yet hardly ever ride them. What's the point of that?
Status symbols to sit in your driveway and look pretty?
Define very low. You aren't going to be commuting to work (in general) or running errands so that knocks out most people's driving.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

Weatherman posted:

What exactly are the thought processes behind someone seeing the sentence "spend the mortgage money on _______" and filling in anything except "the mortgage"?

Because it's more like "spend the mortgage money on"

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
Isn't it really hard to rack up that many student loans other than being a complete moron?

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

spwrozek posted:

Not really. Even going to a decent state school (in the US) is going to run you $15-25k a year (tuition, room and board, books, etc). Many degrees are longer than 4 years now. Have your parents make enough money so you don't get grants and get small scholarships and there you go.

Michigan is $27k
Michigan state $22k
Western michigan $23k
Colorado $28k
Colorado state $21k
Ohio state $21k
Florida $20k

Even if you get a $5k scholarship, if your parents can't/won't help you out it will be $15k a year so you are looking at $60k in loans unless you can work and make a ton of money but that is doubtful while going to school full time. You might be able to get 10k during the summer working super hard. Which could put you at $20k in loans. Most people would use that money for Florida spring break, an x-box, drinking, drugs, whatever else. If you put half of what you earn into school you still are left at $40k.

The schools make claims you can save a bunch by living at home but then you might as well save more and go to community college for 2 years.

I know how it is in the US, I was just under the impression that it was a lot harder to pull off in Canada.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

IllIllIll posted:

Gotta say, this thread makes me feel so much better about my student loan situation. However, it did make me realize that my credit card rate is 21%. I haven't noticed because until last month I've never carried a balance and therefore never paid a cent in interest. How did I get stuck with 21%? It's not the penalty rate, thats motherfucking 30%.

Man it must be fun to be a banker. Making money by having money.

Nearly all cash back cards have a rate of that amount.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

FrozenVent posted:

That just sounds like someone who's down on their luck, it's hard to be good with money when you don't have any. The rent thing wasn't smart, but that's legal stuff and honestly a common misconception, and the drinking binge, well... Many of us would have done the same.

She certainly did spin it that way didn't she.

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Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
There was that one where she refinanced to a 40 year mortgage to pay off her credit cards and increase cash flow so they could spend more. Is that the one you're thinking about?

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