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Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
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All Of The Dicks posted:

Can someone explain the purpose of San Diego?


San Diego is LA if the people in LA didn't want LA to be like LA.

And staying classy. And Sea World.

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Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

FilthyImp posted:

No no no no no. SD is LA, if LA had a bunch of if a bunch of military folks and conservatives loving around in the Valley, if ethnic/cultural enclaves were more removed and less contiguous, if 20 cars in your peripheral vision on the 5/101/10 were considered "heavy traffic", and if there were slightly more hippies and beach bums.

Isn't that what I said? LA has more concentrated ethnic groupings in different neighborhoods, shittier traffic and a bunch of people trying/pretending to be in the entertainment industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNWtPOGFv1k

agarjogger posted:


I thought California was pretty liberal until I heard about your prisons. You must be a model society by now, having removed so many impure elements from your ranks. What the loving gently caress? The number of prisoners alone negates completely, all by itself, any claim at all the state ever had of being a cut above. I see those documentaries and am weirded out when I don't hear deep South drawls, and the guards drive Lexuses instead of F350's.

Also, what's with all the loving driving. Even the bay area is car-dependent as poo poo. Are the nice things I hear about this place private propaganda put out by creative types?

The prison unions pretty much own the Democrats along with teacher unions, so the prison system is ridiculous.

Public transit is a joke. BART in SF is nice, all other metro systems are pretty crappy. I once tried to take the trolley in SD to a football game, and the system only allows you to buy one ticket per credit card swipe. And all our poo poo is spread out everywhere, so everyone drives. LA/SD are not bike friendly, and SF is only a bit better, especially compared with Portland or something.

Glass of Milk fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jun 29, 2013

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

Zeitgueist posted:

Yeah as cynical as I am, the highspeed rail plan is pretty good for LA because of Union Station.

Now the proposed Las Vegas highspeed line that will probably never happen always ends up being planned through San Bernadino or whatever.

The Las Vegas rail line has been floating around forever and will never be built because America.

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2013/03/paul_ryan_trying_to_kill_highspeed_rail_to_vegas.php

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

etalian posted:

It's a pretty bizarre concept, ideally any rail system would at least provide point to point connectivity between major economic center/tourist traps


FCKGW posted:

Isn't the Vegas line just for people to go spend a bunch of money in Nevada?

It is ridiculous that the line doesn't end in LA somewhere that people will actually want to go. But think of all the parking garages that can be built in Victorville...in fact, turning Victorville into a giant parking garage would be an improvement.

Having suffered through lots of trips to Vegas as a kid, I can tell you that it's not the drive in that kills you, it's the possibility of an 8+ hour drive home.

I'm operating on the assumption that people who want to gamble are going to do it regardless of whether there's a cheap way to get to Vegas- either bite the bullet and make the travel plans or put that money into some tribal casino.

Edit:

Also, San Diego had two rulings on stupid lawsuits.

Bank of America wanted to prosecute a dude who was writing protest messages in chalk, but a jury found him innocent: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chalk-verdict-20130701,0,1617754.story

Judge declares that yoga is not religious, because of course it isn't who would think such a thing (only the plaintiffs): http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/yoga-classes-offered-san-diego-school-district-inherently-religious-judge-article-1.1387410

Glass of Milk fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jul 2, 2013

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

Zeitgueist posted:

LAX's situation is worse, it has 2 major freeways including one that funnels cars directly to it, and the other is arguably the worst in LA(the 405). Also the actual portion of the airport you can access by car is a tiny horseshoe that is laughable to everyone who's ever been to an airport like JFK, and it's essentially been an continual traffic jam for several decades straight.

San Diego has long been trying to find an alternative site for a new airport, even considering an offshore, artificial island to house it, but being San Diego, they can't do anything. The downtown location is really nice as a traveler, though- it's feasible to take a taxi almost anywhere in the city proper from the airport without it being offensive.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine
Can they not have express trains that only do the LA-SF-SD stops along with the normal ones? That would seem to be the way to go.

Prices should be subsidized enough so that cost is equivalent to plane travel, at least initially. An Amtrak tticket from LA to Emeryville (as close as they get to SF) is around $100. Flying on Southwest is something like $70 or so for the same trip in less travel time and there are light rail links directly to the airport. So to make it feasible they would have to subsidize pretty heavily, and also ensure that there are transit links once you step off the train.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine
Bob Filner, the mayor of San Diego, has gotten caught in a sexual harrassment suit, but seems to be avoiding resignation, despite calls from basically everyone.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jul/11/filner-responds-sexual-harassment-allegations/

I don't think his statement is going to help, so he'll probably wind up being forced from office.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

etalian posted:

Doesn't the office of San Diego mayor tend to br a revolving door of corruption and scandal?

Or ineptitude. Apart from the last mayor, Jerry Sanders, there was Michael Zucchet (convicted of extortion, conspiracy and wire fraud), Dick Murphy (resigned due to being awful and starting a pension crisis) and Susan Golding (Shady ticket deal with the Chargers).

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

Chinatown posted:

Also, I love Qualcomm Staduim/The Murph but lmao that loving thing is ancient as gently caress.

The UT is a terrible piece of poo poo rag that's just gotten worse since Doug Manchester bought it and started using it as his personal conservative bullshit PSA machine.

The Chargers will not get a new stadium by referendum unless they win the Super Bowl- ergo, the Chargers will not get a new stadium. Qualcomm is actually a pretty good venue, but woefully outdated compared to anything modern, and the surrounding facilities are pretty laughable. It's old and leaky, too.

If you avoid anything political or Chargers related, the UT is a mediocre paper, but still moderately better than any local newscast.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

enraged_camel posted:

I guess what I am saying is that before making major decisions - such as a mayor recall - we need to launch a formal investigation and evaluate all information carefully. Recalling a mayor should not be a simple matter of someone going to the media and saying, "he grabbed my boobs and butt!" I'm staunchly against sexism, but I also know that a lot of people are assholes and lie all the time.

The standards required by criminal court proceedings should be applied to all situations where the consequences are as significant as being convicted of a crime. Hell, even for simple bullshit like office politics one should never assume the gossip is right. There are two sides to every story.

The biggest problem is going to be his effectiveness in governing the city. If people from the same party think you're antagonistic (which he is) and a scumbag (which is what is alleged), then how is he going to get any support for whatever he wants to do?

He's already backtracked from his first statement, which was "I need help"- that would seem to indicate that he's acknowledging that the problem exists, not denying the allegations forcefully.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

OldHansMoleman posted:

It's just such a drat shame about Filner. He's been a notorious rear end in a top hat his whole life but he was SD's first chance in a long time to not act as a vehicle to enrich local developers.

Yes, odious personal problems aside, he managed to get the cars out of the Plaza de Panama pretty drat quick without having some kind of major developmental headache for Balboa Park. He also got people out of the Children's Pool in La Jolla to help protect the seals there. He's been a pretty decent progressive force in office, but also has had lots of run-ins with the city attorney and is generally an rear end in a top hat.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

keevo posted:

Are there plans for the Plaza or are they just going to leave it as an empty concrete meeting place?

My understanding is that they will be adding trees, benches and cafe tables to encourage pedestrian traffic. There are also going to be tram stops at the plaza to take people who would have otherwise parked there.

Found an article on it, with pics:
http://www.examiner.com/article/walkers-venture-into-plaza-de-panama

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

Papercut posted:

Hecka is so much more fun.

"Hell of" is my preferred version, but I never said hella in the first place

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine
Looks like a slow, progressive increase in mortgage applications, but yeah, it is pretty flat. What's happening to all the people that sell their homes? Renting? If I was going to sell my house, that would almost seem to be wisdom- increasing interest rates are going to tamp down mortgage applications even more, and if cash buyers are scooping up a bunch of homes, it might superheat the market, which could lead to another bust.

I think it was the Onion that said the US economy is now entirely bubble-based.


In other news, Bob Filner's very bad no good month continues- an EIGHTH woman has come forward citing sexual harassment/misconduct, and his request that the city pay his legal fees was denied- instead, the city is suing him. And there's two recall petitions out for him: fortunately, in true San Diego fashion, they're quibbling about who should drop out- http://www.10news.com/news/filner-recall-leader-gives-competitor-24-hours-to-withdraw-07292013

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine
California is and San Diego was incentivizing solar power not too long ago- they should work to do the same with synthetic lawns; While the early versions were not much better than astroturf, the newer types really are pretty convincing.

There are still reasons to have grass- pets and kids, notably, but a drier, browner lawn should be acknowledged as the norm.

Edit: Obviously, the best landscaping would be natural drought-resistant plants and rocks, but there's lots of people for whom it would be sacrosanct.

Glass of Milk fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Aug 19, 2013

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine
I attended UC Riverside- it was a really nice campus with lots of newer buildings and an extremely low student:teacher ratio compared to other schools- most of my classes were 10:1 or 15:1. The botanic gardens were beautiful. I also hiked up to the C on the hill and could see the smoggy haze lingering over town, and I nearly was mugged twice on University Ave. Riverside is just like anywhere else, just with freeways that are being endlessly constructed.

The carpool lanes on the 15 in San Diego are pretty decent- they use the lane switcher thing to open more lanes up in one direction or another if there's an issue on the main freeway. I can honestly say it's rare that there's traffic through the stretches where the carpool lanes exist- there's no proof that they are the cause, but there it is.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine
I'm actually pretty surprised CARB hasn't taken a harder-line stance on catalytic converter installation for motorcycles- the emissions stuff that they require for cars is generally considered draconian in every other state. If there were a cat requirement for cycles along with inspection every couple of years, that might work to help curb the emissions for cycles.

I still wouldn't get on a motorcycle on any SoCal freeway- too crowded and dangerous, even if you're not splitting lanes.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine
Except it sounds like they are going to pay his legal fees...which is kind of BS. The dude had no leverage- he was likely going to be recalled anyways.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

Doctor Malaver posted:


Maybe this?

8 nights in San Diego (this is fixed)
SD > LV by plane
3 nights in Las Vegas
LV > Yosemite by car
3 nights in Yosemite
Yosemite > Los Angeles by car
1 night in LA
Drive to Lindbergh airport in the morning.

LA is a fickle bitch. I've driven from LA to SD and had it take 4 hours (from north LA to SD) to 8 hours. So beware.

You'll save your sanity if you do something like this, instead:
8 nights in SD
SD > LV by plane
2-3 nights in LV (depending on your age/tolerance, this is probably more than enough)
Fly to Reno and rent a car, drive to Yosemite (3 hour drive, much prettier than from Vegas). Optional night in Lake Tahoe.
3 nights in Yosemite
Drive back to Reno, fly back to SD
Night in SD
Go to airport.

The flights are all short enough that you will still have some time during the day to do stuff. Driving directly precludes that, so consider that with your plan above you'd basically lose your day in LA and a day in Yosemite.

This all depends on time of year and driving conditions, so just be aware of that.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
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Doctor Malaver posted:

OK we are in San Diego now. Can't say I love the place, but it's interesting and I like the people. :) How's this for a plan?

You arrived just in time for some pretty decent rainfall (well, decent for SD, anyways).

Go to someplace like Tavern on the Beach or something and get some nice local microbrews (if you drink, that is)

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine
Reader is probably the best source of events/shows.

Orange Ave Wit would be my guess as well, if it's a local brew.

http://web.utsandiego.com//news/entertainment/things-to-do/ has another list.

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
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I've given my wife the reins for a vacation and she wants to go lie on a beach somewhere. I'm coming from San Diego, which would seem to be an excellent candidate, but she wants to go lie on some other beach. I was thinking maybe Catalina for a long weekend (3 days). It'll just be us, no kid. Is Catalina cool? It seems like a place for 50 year olds to go to walk around in breezy loungewear, but maybe I have the wrong impression of the place

Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
to forgive is divine

Veskit posted:

What's the the most fun area of SD if you want to make staying near a beach for lounging a priority, or is it cool to just pick some water and stay near it

You can go wherever. Here's a handy guide from south to north:

Imperial Beach - pollution
Ocean Beach - hippies/drugs
Pacific Beach - college kids/tourists
Coronado - rich folks
La Jolla - fog, rich folks
Del Mar/Solana Beach - rich folks, limited parking. Good beach, this one is where I usually go.
Leucadia/Encinitas - limited beach access, but ok. Rich folks.
Carlsbad - tourists, rich folks.
Oceanside - military people

Glass of Milk fucked around with this message at 20:56 on May 19, 2016

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Glass of Milk
Dec 22, 2004
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Fletcher cove is usually alright. There's a decent, free parking lot nearby and not as many people crowding the beach.

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