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Hi there, Cube thread! I have a (perhaps unorthodox) Cube I'd like some input on. I've gone through a few revisions while designing it and I'd be interested to see what you all think. It's a reject-rare cube, and while most Cubes tend to have criteria of 'what are the 360 best cards in magic / best commons / etc', I instead decided to build it only out of rares I thought were underwhelming. If a card's TCG mid price was over a dollar when I added it, it was disqualified. (mythics were allowed to go to $1.05)* It's supposed to be entertaining, and it's quite a peculiar environment; removal is scant except for sweepers, artifact and enchantment removal even harder to find. Fixing is...difficult. I also wanted to see if I could make One With Nothing a good card. A 1/1 with upside for two is a good deal. Players should probably be drinking. Let me know what you think? Fun With Nothing (reject rare cube) *(except Tibalt, because how could I build a reject cube and not include Tibalt)
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Finally, an environment where mono-red control is a viable strategy. I think red is probably the best colour for a mono cube, but white might have potential as well. Would the cube have (colourless) artifacts, or does that pollute the integrity of monocoloured design? If so, it'd be funny to go all-in on colourless just to spite the designer.
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Dec 23, 2013 00:45
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Null1fy posted:Uh.. You mean G/U control? Maybe the cube has Realmwright.
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Mar 28, 2014 00:39
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If Shivan Dragon isn't in your personal Cuber's Toolkit list of rares you've seriously misunderstood Wizards promotional branding
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Jul 7, 2014 04:24
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Thisuck posted:Hmm need to get Midnight Haunting now for more [cat]spirit action. Disciple of Bolas and Toshiro Umezawa are cool. Your black aggro section looks kind of weak, maybe some of Thrill-Kill Assassin, Shadow Alley Denizen, Rakdos Cackler, Vampire Lacerator (close to but not exactly like carnophage) could be fun. Virulent Swipe is a really neat combat trick, Tragic Slip rules, Lose Hope is deceptively decent, and Murderous Cut is just sweet.
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Oct 7, 2014 00:09
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I Love You! posted:I love how they specifically talked about removing narrow cards etc etc and then left in pestermite/deceiver, the narrowest loving combo there is in cube. Not a fan of this cube's lack of archtypes but leaving in the dumbest archtype of them all is just plain lazy. cool poo poo I've done with Pestermite that isn't Splinter Twin: surprise blocks untap Pod to go from 2 to 4 in one turn tap a big creature before it can attack pretend that it's Rishadan Port against people with bad manabases You're going to get two-card combos in cube just because there's enough unique effects, but I don't think pestermite/exarch is a narrow card. Let's talk manabases, by the way. How many sources do y'all usually want if you're splashing a colour? Where in the pack do you usually grab lands - early or late?
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Nov 24, 2014 02:46
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I Love You! posted:Hahah my round 2 opponent was twin combo and t4ed it twice, awesome games! Okay yeah, I see your point (especially about having both of them/running Exarch). My 360 cube has Pestermite but neither Exarch or Splinter Twin so I'm probably biased for that reason. How do you feel about Natural Order or Eureka?
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Nov 24, 2014 03:25
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suicidesteve posted:So I've been trying to remove as much RDW from my cube as much as possible. I've still got burn and bigger guys, but I'm try to get rid of Goblin Guide, Eidolon, Sulfuric Vortex, etc. So my question is, has anyone done this? And if so what are some good Big Red cards to put in a cube? I'm thinking things like Seething Song, Stormbreath, Thundermaw, Form of the Dragon, maybe even Crater Elemental (but probably not.) I'm thinking I'll need to up the burn count a little to make up for having less small creatures too. No restrictions, my cube is unpowered, around 540 cards - I've been working on it so it's a little short right now.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:04
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suicidesteve posted:What kind of stuff do people like from M16? I'm thinking the 1WWW angel for the Stax deck, and probably every walker but Nissa. The Dragon seems like it's exactly what I want for my big red theme and Survival of the Fixed seems pretty great in the right deck. I actually have a massive list of cards that I'm really stoked for. I'm sure not all of this is what you want but I bet some of it is: Hallowed Moonlight Tragic Arrogance Vryn Wingmare Kytheon Mizzium Meddler Harbinger of the Tides Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Gilt-Leaf Winnower Demonic Pact Graveblade Marauder Acolyte of the Inferno Abbot of Keral Keep Molten Vortex Magmatic Insight Pia & Kiran Nalaar Evolutionary Leap Woodland Bellower Gather the Pack Bounding Krasis
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Jul 24, 2015 17:06
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Null1fy posted:Momentary Blink is super good with Evoke. Saffi Eriksdottir is a surprise home run, too. Lots of fun if you can reanimate her. A question for the thread: where do you guys draft, and who with? I've almost exclusively drafted at home and with friends, which is a nice casual atmosphere. I've been playing a little at my LGS though and some people wanna draft my cube, which I'm all for. It's not super expensive and has some proxies for money cards in it, so whatever, but I'd like to know if there's a best practices for taking a cube to a public place. I plan on taking a photo of everyone's picks and sideboard and I think that's good enough to deter 'accidents', I'm talking with the TO about it (cleared the proxies) and he doesn't expect any issues but obviously bears no risk. Do you guys do this? How? e: odiv posted:Taking pictures of everyone's picks seems a bit much, but I understand the impulse. a dozen swans fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jul 25, 2015 |
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Cool. I don't think anyone's going to willfully steal my cards, neither does the guy at the store, but since I haven't really been there that long I wanted to find out if there was some obvious solution I was missing. I think dissuading opportunistic theft is a solid impulse but I don't think photos are called for, I can probably get away with having everyone count back in their cards to make sure everything's there. Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
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Jul 26, 2015 16:05
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Scrimsax posted:So I've decided to be that person, and start putting time and effort into making a proxy powered cube to bring around my lgs. Does anyone have any general advice? Good lists to use, tips for printing, that kind of thing? Bluebones or andyrut are the proxy service you want to use. Get your proxies printed in colour at Staples or Kinko's or whatever. Some places will even make cuts for you but otherwise see if you can use a guillotine to cut out a whole Cube's worth of proxies. A lot of people like wtwlf's powered Cube but it's pretty big. If you want a smaller list I'd recommend looking through Cubetutor for lists that've been drafted and edited a bunch over time. It's a little unorthodox, too, but I really like breaking singleton for the mana base, especially fetchlands.
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Fiery Justice or maybe Tamanoa if you have a weird cube.
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igota75 posted:How many different archetypes should a 360-card cube support? I figure 8 is the minimum so that each drafter has potentially a deck to themselves but I'm wondering how many different decks I could support using cards that work in multiple decks (and thus the value of picking such cards changes). Any ideas? igota75 posted:How many different archetypes should a 360-card cube support? I figure 8 is the minimum so that each drafter has potentially a deck to themselves but I'm wondering how many different decks I could support using cards that work in multiple decks (and thus the value of picking such cards changes). Any ideas? I think some common good advice is to narrow down rough ideas for what each of your colour pairs is doing. The problem people often have as a result is that the themes they've chosen are too mechanically isolated from each other (maybe they want GB to be 'graveyard shenanigans' but no other colour pair interacts with that space - the graveyard deck will always be GB, and not GR, or UB, or some other variation). Drafters having 'decks to themselves' isn't necessarily good either, some competition for resources is a good thing as it leads to more unique decks week after week.
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Myriad Truths posted:Hi. Anyone have any comments on my weird cube? I've been working on it for a while and only recently came to a version I'm reasonably satisfied with. -enchantments in the graveyard -enchantments on the battlefield (Heroic crossover, good!) -cheating into play big enchantments, which you don't have This is a dicy proposition at 450 because you can't be sure you'll have rewards and enablers together in the first place, but if your rewards are all enabled different ways, the synergy will come together even less frequently. I'd also think about reading this really excellent Grillo_Parlante essay, Learning from Pauper: Rethinking Archetype Design. Some of the stuff he says there is relevant and he's way better at saying it than I am. His points about Heroic in particular are spot-on; Cube is frequently a combat-step format (at lower power especially!) and integrating Heroic into your environment in a way that's copacetic with your Enchantment theme will go wonders for the viability of your aggressive decks. The biggest failing of Alara block was that the Esper artifact theme isolated it mechanically from other colours, so you're either drafting Esper.dec or something with an artifact or two somewhere. Overall, though, I really like what I see. A Fires/Haste theme is pretty sweet and might work well with your other archetype theatres. Four Score posted:Any advice for a Kamigawa cube? Lots of out-of-block Spirits, maybe errata Splice so it works on Sorceries and not just Arcane Sorceries? Is this singleton (if so you probably can't support Dampen Thought, which is a shame, because it's one of the better examples of integrated combo in a Limited format) or a "set cube" where you run duplicates of each common/uncommon (the idea being to create a 'kamigawa draft simulator')? either way, it's probably going to be a really grindy format?
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The problem with Worldknit as an archetype, imo, is that it incentivizes the Worldknit drafter to pick up bombs and nonbasics they don't need (but other people do) so you have one hyper-efficient incredibly powerful deck and then another couple that have mana problems all night. It's definitely fun but it's not something I'd leave in my Cube, more something I'd add for a deliberate Conspiracies night.
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Congratulations Baron! Wishing you and yours all the best.
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I use a number of the Patreon features on Cube Tutor (custom scans, grid draft, AI draft profiles) and it's remarkable how long Ben has been completely MIA. If you were to spin up a competitor / successor, I'd switch over.
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All the best mtg services are named after Magic cards. Unfortunately, there are no cards with cute names reminiscent of Cubing. Good luck!
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Anyone gonna be at GP Vancouver next week? I'll be hosting a 10 person draft or two of my very unorthodox cube. It's a massive exercise in hubris, an attempt to blend my favourite things about Legacy with my favourite things about retail limited. I have a handful of people from my crew but it's so fun to cube with other cube designers so I'm asking here before I find people at the event.
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Procrastinator posted:I'm playing the main event but I assume I'll be free on Sunday. Not really a cube designer but eh.
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Wishing you all the best of luck, Baron. Sounds like you're on track to provide something people really want and in a way that makes them happy.
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weekly font posted:Do yall think at 540 there's enough space to give black a zombie subtheme? I'm having trouble fitting any of the lords/buff daddies in at the 3 slot. I think if you want a zombie theme it's gotta build into the mechanical stuff zombies do rather than just being an anthem tribe. Gravecrawler and Carrion Feeder are a beautiful little engine, Cryptbreaker is a great lord that lets you discard for value, Stitcher's Supplier bins your gravecrawler, etc. I think you're gonna have a more successful time building mechanical identity into an archetype than you are something as ephemeral as a typeline. More yard type zombies - Eternal Taskmaster, etc, and then sprinkle in a lord or two for flavour.
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Yeah I think cube cobra is gonna be the way forward. Sorry Baron! I think the inventory system will be more lucrative anyway - when you said what stores pay for what they use it absolutely blew my mind
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GoutPatrol posted:A non-singleton cube gives me the heebie jeebies
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I've long run a similar double fetch double ABUR dual setup at 450 and it's great, I endorse and co-sign it. I do however also have some Wastelands floating around to prevent anyone going 4/5c without being punished.
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Strong echo the above. The conspiracies are very very strong - Worldknit feels like power, and the rest feel like BS. Draft-matters cards huge all around favourites for every playgroup.
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