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Mofabio posted:Human lives cost around $1800 to save from preventable diseases. I know that FI and ethics make for strange bedfellows, but in what ethical system is your child's student loan debt worth the actual lives of 90 other children? Oh poo poo, you better sell all of your possessions and live in a tiny studio apartment and donate all your money to charity then.
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Mofabio posted:(this was a double post, but...) OK, this argument is bad for two reasons. 1. It is reductive. Seriously you could come in here and start this argument on any thread. Even if we were all getting together to try to save the after school program for at risk teens you could come in and tell us we were being ethically indefensible for trying to help these teens when we could be helping people dying of parasitic disease. I mean sure they might not graduate high school but at least they don't have malaria! 2. It is both an indictment of our current paradigm of neoliberalism/capitalism/consumerism and an endorsement of it. You realized that our current system has winners and losers and that some people, because they had the bad luck to be born to poor people in poor countries are the losers of the system. Your solution to it though doesn't ultimately change anything, you are not trying to change the culture, the government, get any sort of collective responsibility for the conditions of the poorest among us but instead using the neoliberal paradigm to say that we should all work as individuals to acquire as much capital as possible so we can go in there and cure these peoples parasitic diseases without ultimately changing anything. This is a problem because the fact that our system has these winners and losers isn't an accident, it is part of the whole purpose and as long as our society is structured the way it is someone is going to be on the bottom getting hosed.
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[qulot ofote="Jeffrey" post="421412030"] This doesn't really make sense, there are plenty of people who are happy to throw their time at charity, I'm pretty sure most charitable action is bound by money not volunteer-hours. It's be one thing if you had a special in-demand skill that you could give to a charity on the cheap, but if you're FI chances are you could do much more good by working and donating your salary than you could by spending time on it. [/quote] A lot of financial independence stuff has either an implicit or explicit attack on consumerism and capitalism. A big part of mmm it's too point out how rich the middle class and upper middle class in western society is and how easy it is to get off the treadmill. This is just another way to get back on the treadmill only instead of shiny toys it is moral obligation. Participating in the capitalist system becomes a moral good and the systems flaws are overlooked.
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Nov 5, 2013 15:06
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Mofabio posted:Hm, I was basing it on cost of flour, but maybe there's more to it? I'm gonna publicly do this math. I buy bread flour for ~$3/5# bag, instant yeast is $8/lb, and I use .58oz yeast per 5# of flour, salt is $cheap, 57oz water is $cheap. Looks like maybe $0.50 to run the oven an hour to bake 5#, based on internet calculators. I let it rise in the fridge, let's say 1600g water * 4.19 J/g*K * 25 delK * 20% cooling efficiency = 0.25 kWh * $0.2/kWh = ok, a nickel, just making sure. There is oddly enough a book exactly on this Make Bread Buy Butter which I read a couple years ago (after getting it from the library). Basically the author goes through a variety of things you can make at home and looks at the cost, time, and quality difference between it and the store bought and makes a recommendation on whether to buy or make it at home.
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