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LimaBiker posted:I had to read it multiple times before understanding what they meant with forgiveness event. My mind first went to student debt forgiveness. Then maybe some tax thing. Then i read the 'trade up from X' thing and it finally dawned on me. It's forgiveness for not riding a Real (TM) Bike, obviously. 
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Remy Marathe posted:I wonder what acrobatics they’ll go through to resell those gross non Harley trade-ins under a different front. From the look of the ad, I doubt they thought that far ahead. Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 20:20 on May 18, 2023 |
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May 18, 2023 20:05
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I wonder if they actually expect anyone to take the offer.
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RadioPassive posted:I wonder if they actually expect anyone to take the offer. Everyone who did the sensible thing and bought a sensible learner bike and has been ridden about being a gay sissy gayboy on his girl bike for sissy gays by his meathead Harley owning friends since he got it. So quite a few, probably.
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Remy Marathe posted:I wonder what acrobatics they’ll go through to resell those gross non Harley trade-ins under a different front. Idk how it works in the states specifically but usually they either auction them online on a private listing website or flog them off to a wholesaler for slightly more than the trade in value
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Finger Prince posted:Every thing about the 120%, from the font, to the spacing, to the kerning, to the fact that they even managed to lop off the top and bottom of the zero disgusts me to my very core. It makes me feel like they're going to say "no, that's |20 not 120"
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May 18, 2023 21:27
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Isn’t there multiple people here who have endured store wide mandated “celebrations” when they bought their REAL AMERICAN HOG (tm)?
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I'm sure there are just great Harley dealerships, but their culture of what is and isn't a real bike is crazy. I saw a "how to select your Harley" video where a salesman was saying the Sportster's a good beginner bike until you're ready to upgrade to one that's more comfortable at cruising speeds. It's a 1200cc bike that weighs over 500 pounds, if that can't handle the freeway then they need to reevaluate some engineering decisions.
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Supradog posted:Isn’t there multiple people here who have endured store wide mandated “celebrations” when they bought their REAL AMERICAN HOG (tm)? I've had to do it twice now. Not a Harley dealership either time
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Slavvy posted:Revolting Yeah. Their marketing and owners i know personally are bad enough that I'll never consider one regardless of what the machines themselves are like. A 43-year old newcomer is probably who they should be trying to get their hooks into, too!
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I want to like Harleys and they keep pushing me away.
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Llewellyn posted:I'm sure there are just great Harley dealerships, but their culture of what is and isn't a real bike is crazy. I saw a "how to select your Harley" video where a salesman was saying the Sportster's a good beginner bike until you're ready to upgrade to one that's more comfortable at cruising speeds. It's a 1200cc bike that weighs over 500 pounds, if that can't handle the freeway then they need to reevaluate some engineering decisions. To be fair, it’s a 1200cc that makes less power than an SV650, but yeah, their lineup is based around upgrading to the next best thing. To your point though, no one complains about the SV’s ability to do highway speeds
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Lol the sportster 1200 makes like 90hp dude
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Deeters posted:It makes me feel like they're going to say "no, that's |20 not 120" WORKS ON CONTINGENCY? NO, MONEY DOWN!
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TotalLossBrain posted:I've had to do it twice now. Not a Harley dealership either time You never have to do it. You can politely decline, like most things in life.
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Finger Prince posted:Everyone who did the sensible thing and bought a sensible learner bike and has been ridden about being a gay sissy gayboy on his girl bike for sissy gays by his meathead Harley owning friends since he got it. when i first started learning to ride i went to the only motorcycle dealership in town, which was a combined harley/honda joint, and said i was interested in the CBR250 the salesman made a vaguely disgusted look and said "that's a girl's bike. you'll get bored with it quick. let me show you the 600s." i bought my helmet there but never went back.
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Slavvy posted:Lol the sportster 1200 makes like 90hp dude Not according to google? But I suppose it could have given me the horsepower of an older model
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Aahaha 68hp that's incredible Or 59? /cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/octane/VJCS3L3ARVE23JMQGVO4GWWMJI.jpg)
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May 19, 2023 13:42
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That is a nice fat flat torque curve, goddamn
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Looking at the torque curve, the reason's obvious. Engine extremes are either high-torque, low-rpm stump-pullers, or screamers designed to balance themselves out later in the rev range, at high-rpm. Torque is how hard the crankshaft will pull your arm off grabbing onto it; horsepower is how many arms over a certain period of time. Only thing I notice about that chart, is that Sportsters might be a little boring with such a linear torque curve (compared to Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde two strokes (RIP)).
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Slide Hammer posted:might be a little boring with such a linear torque curve. "Predictable power delivery"
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Slide Hammer posted:Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde two strokes (RIP). 
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It’s about time this subforum got back to its roots: talking about the raw gay horsepower of a motorcycle(‘s dyno chart)
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knox_harrington posted:Aahaha 68hp that's incredible 68 at the wheel is about 80 at the crank, substantially more than an sv650 There are different grades of sporty 1200, the twin spark 's' model is pretty fast, the xr1200 is actually fast The 883 makes like 50 though and they're pretty slow Slide Hammer posted:Looking at the torque curve, the reason's obvious. Engine extremes are either high-torque, low-rpm stump-pullers, or screamers designed to balance themselves out later in the rev range, at high-rpm. It's actually super fun because you can do sweet burnouts and slides everywhere Jazzzzz posted:if talking about raw gay horsepower is CA's peanut butter, bashing HD is the jelly Some of those people are on this forum even
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Yeah everything I’ve seen indicates the Sportsters are fun and reasonably fast (not relative to displacement but that’s not the point) bikes, which is why it’s so odd for it to be accepted wisdom in Harley Facebook groups that it’s a chick bike.
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It's similar to saying you would rather have a cbr600 than a 916 because it makes so much more power for it's displacement. Same type of nonsense as the Harley girl bike nonsense, but in the other direction, by people who think they're very smart.
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The more you ride, the more bikes you ride, the more you realize that dyno numbers and spec sheets are useless for conveying how something feels to ride, and how it makes you feel riding it. "You can't quantify feels!" I hear the engineers shouting. Shove it up your rear end and measure how deep it goes then. It's the kind of thing that damned some amazing naked naked bikes for being "detuned" compared to their min-maxed chase-the-numbers race bike counterparts. I'd rather have a bike that someone thought about what it's like to actually ride rather than "our bike make biggest number!"
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I wish I could snap my fingers and shrink 6 inches so my Roadster was comfortable because the Sportster platform is so loving good but it’s not great at the kind of light to moderate touring I’m obviously inclined to do. At least not at 6’2” with a hatred for forward controls.
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Lately, I've been taking the Monkey to work more often than not. It's a hoot to ride, even if it's slower.
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Yup, bikes are very much more than the sum of their parts. In racing, a confidence inspiring bike with modest power is worth more lap time than a theoretically fast bike that rides like poo poo. The conflict between engineers convinced something should be fast and people who know what they're doing is as old as racing itself; even today the same drama plays out and it seems that no amount of data gathering and number crunching can square the circle. Imo this is because bikes don't ride themselves and the actual dynamics of the system as a whole lie in the interaction between the meat sack and the machine. Harleys are like that except their purpose is to be fun as hell rather than go as fast as possible, they just have a really good meat interaction that you can't see on paper.
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I'm pretty sure the reason my close friend and riding buddy hasn't taken me up on repeated offers to let him ride the Triumph T120 is he's unwilling to let me ride his Lowrider S for fear I'll drop it. Yeah I've crashed here and there but his fears are unfounded and I wanna test that good meat interaction. My uncle's mystery (to me) Harleys were just loud grumbly pieces of poo poo and I didn't see the fun, but said friend knows his bikes so I have high hopes. Dammit dude it's time to bike swap 
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Remy Marathe posted:I'm pretty sure the reason my close friend and riding buddy hasn't taken me up on repeated offers to let him ride the Triumph T120 is he's unwilling to let me ride his Lowrider S for fear I'll drop it. Yeah I've crashed here and there but his fears are unfounded and I wanna test that good meat interaction. Both ride this and call it a day. 
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Remy Marathe posted:I'm pretty sure the reason my close friend and riding buddy hasn't taken me up on repeated offers to let him ride the Triumph T120 is he's unwilling to let me ride his Lowrider S for fear I'll drop it. Yeah I've crashed here and there but his fears are unfounded and I wanna test that good meat interaction. Rant Zone: good meat interaction
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Remy Marathe posted:Lowrider S You aren't missing much tbh
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Yeah I suppose it might be an eye of the beholder thing, I should probably brace myself to be underwhelmed when I ride it. He's all googly eyed over this one, and apparently he'd always wanted a Harley despite owning a dozen or two bikes over the years. He's a capable rider who's ridden mostly Japanese sportbikes and standards, before this his favorite was a VFR around '02 or maybe the superhawk before that, he gets how a bike's supposed to steer, so I figured there must be something to this bike. Toe Rag posted:Both ride this and call it a day. See I don't know my bikes or heritage or anything so what I see here is the overly heavy Globe commuter bike I won in a raffle and put a springy brooks saddle on, just a terribly exhausting bicycle to operate, but this has a motor and burns my ankle.
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Remy Marathe posted:Yeah I suppose it might be an eye of the beholder thing, I should probably brace myself to be underwhelmed when I ride it. He's all googly eyed over this one, and apparently he'd always wanted a Harley despite owning a dozen or two bikes over the years. He's a capable rider who's ridden mostly Japanese sportbikes and standards, before this his favorite was a VFR around '02 or maybe the superhawk before that, he gets how a bike's supposed to steer, so I figured there must be something to this bike. I knew a guy who similarly had ridden so many bikes, and fast bikes, through the years. When I met him, he had a Hayabusa - not stretched or anything -, but he always slagged off Harleys. One day he figured you know what, maybe I ought to give them a try. Next thing you know he's sold his Hayabusa and bought one, and is like "I didnt want one until I rode this one, and I love it". I don't know what model it was. rear end Glide or rear end King or something.
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I’m a diehard sport(ish) bike guy but I 1000% get where that comes from. I test rode a couple Harleys in my hunt for a new bike before i got the Monster and I absolutely loved it, just big dumb and lazy which is sometimes really nice. If the prices weren’t prohibitive I may very well have ended up with one, and I’m still on the hunt for a Sportster for an around town bike. They need to get with the times with many things, but the turn signals drive me crazy more than anything.
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