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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

E-Tank posted:

Well, I've heard that basically every first grade (or thereabouts) gets sent off on a field trip where they learn what Fascism ended up causing, namely some of the concentration camps, and it's pretty much beat into their skulls that Fascism = :godwin: = Baaaaaad. So I can see why Germany has gently caress all in terms of fascist nutjobs running around, if they weren't dissuaded from it as kids, the government cracked down on anyone showing signs. I'm glad you're safe though!


:sympathy: You could always find the Russian Embassy and tell them to sit and spin? I mean, I dunno if that's a thing. But yeah, going to Russia strictly to tell them "I don't want to be a member of your homophobic piece of poo poo country" sounds a bit dangerous.

Don't the cops and legal system in Germany gleefully and energetically beat down any Neo-Nazi movements they can find as well?

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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Because the USSR and China were a lot more successful in covering up and otherwise obfuscating the many deaths their policies caused, helped in large part by many Western useful idiots.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

OwlBot 2000 posted:

You do realize that global capitalism has killed at least 100,000,000 people by starvation alone in the past few decades decade? I don't know the statistics for people who died from lack of medical care, but take a look around. Yes, Africa, the Caribbean and Asia are almost completely capitalist.

Your white guilt is your own problem, buddy. The question I was responding to was "why is fascism looked down on so much more than communism" not "why is fascism looked down on so much more than communism and oh by the way how many people does Owlbot 2000 think died of capitalism".

Also let's not talk about the farm policies of communist nations. I don't think you want to go there :)

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
What a lot of people forget about Joseph Mccarthy is that he was actually right :v:

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Oh boy, this should be good :allears:

Do you deny that the USSR had a long history of espionage in the US, including in the Manhattan Project and the US's postwar jet fighter program, amongst other things? Declassified Soviet records have conclusively proven this to be the case, this isn't even arguable.

Mccarthy was off in who he was accusing specifically, but he wasn't wrong that there was a concerted Soviet effort to infiltrate the US government, because by the time he got going, it had already happened on multiple occasions.. His inept bumbling most likely made life easier for any actual communist infiltrators, however, by providing a big circus that produced nothing of value.


Also, Pornographic Memory, if you really think I'm just shitposting, feel free to use that shiny report button. It's what it's there for.

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ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Cerebral Bore posted:

I think the left need a preparatory period before any direct action should be taken. It needs to be hammered into people at every turn that this is in fact what GD are and that they won't stop without someone forcing them to. If the mass media won't do this, people need to be told at every opportunity that the mass media doesn't give a gently caress about them or the truth and that people should rely on alternative sources of information. Ideally the left should organize these as well.

However, after this I'm afraid that the only method left (unless the government actually starts cracking down hardcore on GD which would be a minor miracle) is mass direct action in order to hamper the capability of GD to organize and carry out their activities. Unfortunately this will mean direct confrontation with the cops and by extension the state.

I just hope that the left manages to keep it together somehow.

I think I care more about the innocent people who keep getting beaten by GD members than I do about "the left" being able to feel comfortable about someone doing something about it.

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