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Thanks for the CIA psyops pacifist/cowardice/apathy disinformation, Jedit.Civilized Fishbot posted:The ~Moral High Ground~ AKA ~Looking Like The Good Guys~ actually is important in winning public support. As was mentioned earlier, starting the violence against fascist groups feeds directly into fascist narratives and makes them stronger for when the violence toward undesirables actually happens. Occasional violent incidents against low-level members don't stop fascists, but convincing people to oppose fascists stops fascists. There's a difference between self-defense/defense of people in danger (important and useful) and doing things that allow fascist groups to paint themselves as victims/oppressed (harmful in the long run). Your plan is to look good on corporate media, so as to... win support... from the... public... while they consume political infotainment?
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By re-directing their hatred inwardly, is the return of fascism to Europa not a good thing for the world? Surely having their excess population of young, dumb & cumfull psychopaths patrolling their hometown tenements with bats is better than having them patrolling foreign slums with machine guns? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Brannock posted:What happens when they're satisfied with the state of their tenements after 2 years of patrolling them? A question that should be put to & resolved by the society that created them, instead of exporting them somewhere else (with guns and explosives) Civilized Fishbot posted:Historically, European fascism has not contributed to global peace. Europeans invaded a lot less countries post WW2 than in preceding centuries; if the US hadn't shielded and rebuilt them they would have invaded none.
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Aug 10, 2013 23:28
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Jedit imagine you are speaking to a group of people being terrorised by thugs patrolling their streets and beating the poo poo out of them. What advice are you offering here?
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Aug 11, 2013 00:02
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Berke Negri posted:Capitalism is a loaded word because it doesn't actually have much historical constancy, in other words it has been tied up far too much in politics to be useful. What revolutionaries in the 19th century were railing against doesn't fit in the modern context for the developed world (some could even argue in the developing world). This is why we get into situations where right wingers denounce Obama as a socialist and hater of capitalism when one would be hard pressed to see that in actual policy. In a world of primarily mixed-economies with government intervention and welfare the historical term 'capitalist' doesn't really fit as it did like, hundred and fifty years ago. The American system under George W. Bush would be considered by someone in 1901 to be fairly socialist even if in comparison to most modern countries we wouldn't say the same thing. a) Marx studied the political-economy; it doesn't make sense to consider one without the other b) you can define capitalism as a normal social system and virus as a normal form of life and they will both evade your definitions. We still need to defeat them if we want to survive. c) who cares what dumbs think, whether in 1901 or now?
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