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ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011
Customer just asked if we could interface with his spunk server. I assume that was a typo, as the alternative is too vile to contemplate.

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ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

toe shoes posted:

One of our devs got pulled up on the fact that his spacing was not matching up to the rest of the code his team is working on. He then proceeded to run a programme on the the entire apps code base to 'standardise the spacing' and wanted it to be reviewed and merged.

The second company I worked for in Japan, our "outsourcing partners" used version control that converted all tab-stops to physical spaces(!) and was only 7-bit clean so it mangled any Japanese language comments added - meanwhile the dev environment did everything with soft tabs.

Every time a module got sent offshore for fixing, my boss would run a diff on the thing (ignoring NOTHING) and then schedule a meeting for all of us to go through a printout of the diff, line by line, to check each change was OK. Fun days! (I could *almost* understand this given how crap the quality of code we got back was, but diffing whitespace / bringing up the comment mangling issue EVERY time was just insane)

Yes we DID ask the partners to fix their version control, but they didn't. Left that job about 8 years ago and as far as I know they're still doing the same thing.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011
Not a CV that popped into my in-box, but I figure this image was too good to leave stuck in "PYF Awkward, Ugly, and Gross"

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

jim truds posted:

using mobileiron as their MDM

There's your issue (at least it's not AirWatch!)
Yes, they're the magic quadrant leader at Gartner but all that tells you is that they have the deepest pockets.
(Perhaps if I shipped broken updates the company I work for would be in the magic quadrant rather than the niche quadrant?)

ookiimarukochan fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Aug 23, 2013

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Toxteth OGrady posted:

One of them, has 8GB of RAM, and a 32 bit OS. wtf?
This is both a WTF and thing that I have seen myself (started a new job and the machine they'd bought for me had 6GB of RAM / x86 OS "because some of our code won't work on x64" - fair enough, but why the extra 2GB? I never got a good explanation for that)

Toxteth OGrady posted:

no one but me knows that its got 4x as much RAM as standard.
In the year 2013, why the hell does your standard machine only have 2GB of RAM? You're deploying an OS modern enough to have 32 and 64 bit versions, and I don't think ANY of them are happy with only 2GB of RAM.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011
Unless they're running some sort of bizarre stripped down version on workstations, if you're trying to run some sort of production version of Linux - OpenOffice, KDE/GDE/Unity and what have you - won't be too happy on 2GB either (Developers get an 8GB model, so perhaps they've already had the joy of trying to run Eclipse on a low memory machine)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Crowley posted:

We make any cable over 20m ourselves, but that's mostly because we already have the in-house tools and skills to do it, and we're making our own power, Coax and SLR cables too. Anything less than 20m get's a pre-made cable because they are just plain cheaper.
You're in broadcast though, it's a different world (even if - as I assume - you're only managing the "computer" computers, and not all the broadcast stuff) - admittedly this is on the back of 3 months being a dogsbody at a studio project my dad was working on, while waiting for a visa to clear so I could start my first "proper" job - and as someone with an engineering guy the cabling guys didn't trust me to do the job well (in fairness, they were right)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011
edit is not quote, aargh

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Lum posted:

Glad I'm not the only one who, as a teenager, got the job of setting up everyone else's CONFIG.SYS files whenever a new game came out.
Surely PC gaming in the UK was pretty rare during the period that was an issue - I know that the only other PC gamer I knew at school had a CS professor for a father. I remember everyone else being Amiga or ST (not Mac, not in the UK) - oh, and the headmaster when I was at primary school was also a PC gamer (this was in the 80s, even) so we traded pirate games all the time, haha.

There's a weird bit in that - as far as I can tell - most of the people pushing the "PC Master-race" stuff were, at the time, Amiga gamers (certainly true of the Rock-Paper-Shotgun writers) whereas most of the PC gamers of the time are on 360 or PS3 now (famously Charlie Brooker) which is why they still moan about how difficult PC gaming is (as they have all the memories of IRQ conflicts etc - for instance the way that Soundblaster 16 clones always seemed to want to use the original Soundblaster IRQs by default, but real Soundblaster 16s used a different one, and this caused problems with crap clones/games)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Lum posted:

Didn't know Charlie Brooker still did anything to do with games
Gameswipe / Newswipe had bits of stuff on games (and has had a new series commissioned) - and going by his Twitter he certainly plays them still (just not on PC)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Alctel posted:

I remember still having to mess about with CONFIG.SYS and boot disks in the early 90s, which I thought was after the Amiga heyday?
A huge number of the classic Amiga games came out in the mid 90s (the majority of Team 17's well known games for instance) - I don't think it was really until Doom that Amiga players sat up and noticed the PC - yeah they all claimed that Alien Breed 3D was even better but it really wasn't, even the A1200 version, and besides the PC had Dark Forces by then which was even better!

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

evobatman posted:

"Our dedicated test servers will become the production environment at switchover". Am I right in being alarmed, or is this a thing that's done regularly?
Test -> Staging -> Production (3 DIFFERENT sets of machines) anything less than that and you're asking to be hosed. Depending on the level of system integration you may end up needing more than that (where your test servers have dummy i/o for all the external systems and the number of dummied systems drops as you get closer to your actual production systems) and devs shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with production systems EVER (unless you're working for a tiny startup, the sort of thing where everyone has to wear several hats)

That's a LEAVE THE JOB NOW sort of thing, especially if you're technical support, as my (perhaps paranoid) suspicion is that you've only been brought in to be a fall guy (this comes from experience)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

GreenNight posted:

He's actually serious - there was a huge bug in IOS and Exchange that would drain the battery if there was an Exchange account. Apple released an update just to help fix this issue. Recently MS also released some Exchange patches that did the same.
Are you using some sort of MDM provider? If so how often are you polling the devices?
It could also be that there's a badly behaved app that's using APNS for alert messages and is pinging too often.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

PurpleButterfly posted:

One Japanese-speaker probably transliterated "hook" into katakana as フック, and then a different one transliterated it back into English.

"gently caress" is a generally-understood term in Japan - everyone over 18 (at least) knows what it means(and, as I think I've mentioned before, in my experience when Japanese developers get angry they tend to swear in English, which I find hilarious) - they were probably being all passive-agressive at you (This is extra-likely if you're in some sort of partnership which was set up with a non-Engineering part of the Japanese company, BUT communicate with the engineers)

My real joy with our Japanese partners is that as of about a year ago they decided they only ever wanted to communicate with us in English (before that it was in Japanese) - and their English is terrible. They also seem to forget that all their emails are seen by (1) a native Japanese speaker (who, admittedly, studied IT in the UK, so their engineering Japanese is not great) and (2) A bilingual engineer who's spent more time as a developer for Japanese companies in Japan than most of their employees. Sometimes this means they include chunks of emails that they really really shouldn't. It's as if they've generalised "No foreigners speak Japanese" (which isn't true anyway) out to "No-one in Foreign countries speaks Japanese" (forgetting that there genuinely are some Japanese ex-pats out there)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Crowley posted:

So... Day of the Tentacle?
No, that would be the Purple Tentacle bat (it's about as obvious a homage as they could possibly do without having flashing screen on the text when you pick that skin / select the weapon)

Current job I work from home pretty much every day, but I did once have a job where I was told to not come into the office for two weeks as I had been out of the country and they were worried about swine flu (this was me going home to the UK while working in Japan) - total cases in the UK at that point? 2, in the other end of the country. Total cases in Japan? About 600, clustered where we were!

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Lum posted:

Suddenly I'm afraid that they may try American HR practices over here.

Unless they were planning on re-jigging it so you're all employed by a US company - which I can't imagine they would as it causes a tax nightmare - all you'd really need to do is point out how hilariously illegal (laws that are actually enforced) many of those practices are.

Chairman of the board of the US company where I work for the UK subsidiary (purely for aforementioned tax reasons) designed beer coasters we gave out at a major US trade show with screen-grabs of an iPhone with the clock at 4:20 (a reference which almost no-one got!) so I can't imagine that drug testing here would ever become a priority.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

mysteryberto posted:

Pro tip to anyone with the cloud to butt extension turned on. It will replace forms you are typing in with butt as well. Normally hilarious but bad for job apps.
Just out of interest, what version were you seeing this on? I have the firefox version and can still google for "The Cloud" with no issue (I'm also seeing "cloud to butt" here but "butt to butt" on the static page)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011
Not me specifically, but hoo boy I bet a shitload of tickets are being generated at LA County right now. (If you've read the news reports, it's not "hacking", it something Apple have deliberately allowed since they added enterprise support to iOS, and apparently Apple have claimed somewhere that it's fixed in iOS 7 which is a complete lie)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011
They deleted the root MDM profile - something that Apple blocks MDM vendors from preventing, haha. I'm aware of the vendor involved in the clusterfuck, but given that it's not public knowledge and for a few other reasons I don't want to get into the any blaming. We've been expecting something like this to happen sooner rather than later as Apple's enterprise features (and the way they are implemented by literally everyone but us and Good - whose answer is still pretty flawed) require you to actually trust the phone user almost completely.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Paladine_PSoT posted:

I'm actually amazed that for the pricepoint, noone's developed a way to use touchcover surfaces with a policy enforcement app
I've not actually touched Windows 8 in any form (unless you're counting Windows Phone 8) so I don't know if that has the fairly sweet management stuff that Windows Phone 8 does (it's missing a handful of fairly important features from our point of view, but everything that's there seems saner than Apple's MDM) but I'm pretty sure that at least one of our competitors has an app for it. The real issue here which I think most of the people in the thread are aware of, but surprisingly a few people haven't yet cottoned on to, is that iPads aren't being picked because they are the best tool for the job, it's because they're the sexiest/shiniest/most fashionable.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

ratbert90 posted:

I once had a programmer ask my boss what a byte was. :gonk:
Was he French? Because in amongst all their IT terms that have been created just to avoid pollution from that disgusting English language, they've ended up being very anal about the fact it's an "octet" because bytes aren't guaranteed to be 8 bits (who knows when you may need to work on some weird AT&T or IBM platform from the early 1960s?)

GargleBlaster posted:

(I'm not sure how a firing for saying something like that is even legal in England).
It's not. We may not have the insanely overdone worker protection of France or Germany, but neither are we America. Given how badly that could gently caress up her future career I'm surprised she's not taken your company to court.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

ratbert90 posted:

I don't mean go program in assembly, but to have a basic understanding of how memory on a OS functions and is managed. If you don't, I am convinced your code ends up in the coding horrors thread.

Congratulations, you've just described about 70~80% of people being paid to program - and it's not helped by the number of degree courses that seem to only teach languages like Java and C# which don't really do memory management (but can end up with resource/memory leaks if you don't know what you're doing!)
An anecdote - rather than "data" - I know, but there was one guy I knew, with a freshly minted degree from the University of Waterloo (which is supposed to be good!) who had absolutely no idea of how anything "low level" worked because it was one of the last things they studied and it had failed to sink in (i.e. they started with the highest level programming languages and worked down, which to me seems like a terrible way to reinforce bad habits)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Crowley posted:

It's just a PR disaster waiting to happen.

Apple have bluffed this out several times now (PR disasters waiting to happen I mean) and nothing sticks! Even with Jobs long gone the infamous RDF is still in place as far as I can see.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

KweezNArt posted:

This happened at a company I worked for some years back. One of the newly minted DMs at the company wanted to promote friendly rivalry between the stores in his district and share information by creating spreadsheets with account IDs, profit margins, financial information, etc. on them. He then turned around and hosted them all on Google Docs.
How fast was he fired after this was discovered?

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

mysteryberto posted:

MDM should be able to prevent people from upgrading to iOS7. However Apple in all their wisdom did not think that was important and users are free to upgrade as they please. The only block is IT going guys please don't upgrade.
This is true of basically everything that Apple's MDM is supposed to do for enterprise. The fact that no matter how locked down the device, MDM can always be removed, shows - IMO - that Apple do not give a poo poo about Enterprise users (there are a couple of people who now have some special feature in beta, for normal iOS 7, that prevents MDM profiles from being removed, but AirWatch haven't made a peep about it (and it's an open secret that as Apple's preferred partner they have access to what's coming up in new versions of iOS well before any other vendor does) and there's nothing in the iOS 7 documentation about it, so I think they've been scamming naive non-technical types)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

mllaneza posted:

Remember when HP was an engineering company ?

They still are, it's just that they're called "Agilent" now

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Dead Cow posted:

But yes, users can uninstall it off their phones themselves, good thing we dont use it for app blocking like our sister company.
Same is true of EVERY MDM solution for iOS, infuriatingly. On Android you can get some reasonable security if your provider supports the vendor's extensions (default Android security is crap) AND your phone co have released the right firmware (AT&T are refusing to release Knox support for their Samsung devices which has stopped a lot of vendors - including us - from releasing full support yet)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Pilsner posted:

Eh, next to sysadmins, developers are by far (on average) the most computer competent people you'll find.
A huge HUGE number of developers are absolutely godawful and in no way should be getting money for doing a task that may even possibly involve computers. The thing to do here is check what sort of situation they've been working in - if they tend to work in small groups / on their own then they've never had anywhere to hide, but when you're looking at someone who's never worked in a programming group smaller than 10 or 20 (with gaps big enough between jobs to hide 3 month probations in smaller groups that they've washed out of), you've a good chance of having yourself a Wally.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Khisanth Magus posted:

I do wonder how all the "uncomfortable around someone watching porn" people would handle living some place like Japan where it seemed like regular newspapers have a porn section and said papers get read on the trains all the time. I don't know, maybe my time living there just kind of changed how I view such things.
You may as well fill in "or the UK" - the best-selling paper in the UK, there will be many copies in any reasonably sized office, has a topless lady on the third page, every day but looking at porn at work is totally verboten. To be honest, porn in the workplace in Japan is also hilariously verboten, the anti-sexual-harassment policies found in Japan are far stricter than they are in the UK.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Crowley posted:

Someone has the Helpdesk email in their contacts and gave LinkedIn permission to trawl their mail/Exhange/whatever account. LinkedIn spams you.. With the user's permission.
That or it's fake linked-in spam. Our support@ account gets those reasonably regularly. Always delivered "on behalf of" the same person, some university student who seems to have deleted their LinkedIn account long ago.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011
We are working on integrating an API from <large company> - they approached us. They know they are talking to engineers. Any time I discover an issue - and this happens all the time, it's very immature and the sample source in the documentation is less likely to work than the Windows CE samples in MSDN (my previous benchmark) we have to go through their general ticketing system. This adds days - literally days - to the process. EVERY TIME.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011
A ticket just came in, even though it was sent 8 hours ago.
Hopefully this is anonymised enough:

"Dear support" - all emails to our support address automatically generate a ticket. this will become relevant later "<customer> just tried to send out <over 3000> <service-specific, with a unique key in each email> emails. None of them have arrived. The <2000ish> we sent yesterday seemed to work. Is this normal?"

They were using gmail addresses (i.e. they've set up well over 5000 gmail addresses, for testing) and several thousand of these addresses had typoes in them.

This means several thousand bounce messages from Google, generating several thousand "a ticket was created" notification emails, and crashing the email server.

It's now up and running, rate/resource limited, and I am sitting here watching the bounce messages / new ticket messages / "email couldn't be sent for over 4 hours" messages add up.

This customer also sells a variety of web products, they have a larger engineering department than we do. Who in the gently caress there thought this would be a sensible idea?

I mean, am I missing something here? Does this seem like a sensible thing to do to ANYONE?

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

:singapore: actually - appears to be a pan-sinitic effort given the "Aizawa" surname, same as MS Taiwan's Silverlight mascot. I assume that there's an amusing pun going on there in Chinese like the Madobe surname that MS Japan uses for all their -tans (Nanami, Claudia, Yuu and Ai - and writing this out in English has finally caused me to cotton on to why the Windows 8 -tans are called Yuu and Ai)

notwithoutmyanus posted:

A report came out that basically said that without their Android shakedown (patent trolling) and the billions it makes they wouldn't even turn a profit in multiple business units.
The claim was that it makes up for MS losing 2 billion an year on XBox (not the Entertainment & Devices BU, Xbox) which doesn't pass the sniff test, but the reason becomes more obvious when you notice it's a report by one of Paul Allen's best buds, who is heavily involved in the demands that MS sell off everything they're working on that isn't business/enterprise software.

ookiimarukochan fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Nov 8, 2013

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

notwithoutmyanus posted:

Oh drat, I didn't even catch that he was reporting it. I would expect significant bad tidings for MS as long as they fail to compete.
Unfortunately it looks like the grognards are back in control at MS (they certainly hosed up the XBox One enough) and I'm expecting their insistence that the future of MS is in the butt to come back and bite them hard (Because they're basically re-inventing that Netscape OS stuff that had them making GBS threads themselves in the mid 90s where they actually realised what it would lead to)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Crowley posted:

A cameraman said it best when I admitted to him that I watch almost no TV at all: "TV is something we make, not something we watch."
NHK is like that, the BBC isn't. No idea if that's to do with the quality / type of TV being made, cultural differences, or just random luck.

(NHK in general has this major "We are grown up people doing a grown up job. Now try and be more grown up!" thing going on that the BBC doesn't, if that helps)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

GoatShaver posted:

So I work for a pro sports team, and I get a call asking me to check out some ipads that are set up for public use, as a kiosk, to only access a newspaper. Between losing my mind because people keep finding/using pins to jam into the home button, which will also them to close the kiosk software (what?) apparently an iOS update broke restrictions which led to someone adding a personal email account to the device. In public. At a sports venue. Then, queue outrage as very quickly this person realized that, oh hey, it won't let me remove my account!
I don't have PMs, but if you contact me at username @ gmail.com (so that we can move this to more work-emaily channels) we should probably talk. Seriously.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Varkk posted:

One job I left they insisted on 6 weeks notice. At the time I quit I had 4 weeks of holiday time owning I needed to take or lose. I gave them the 6 weeks, then gave them 2 weeks notice I was using the holidays, as the contract stipulated.
Were you expecting them to want to work out your notice? Because that's pretty unusual for any job where you have access to anything exciting, even if you leave rather than are fired, right?
The only job I've had where they wanted me to work out my notice was the one where, up until my last day, they genuinely couldn't believe I wanted to quit.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

potato of destiny posted:

E: you know, I think I meant that for the other thread. Still, though.

"A ticket came in: please buy 1000 extended support agreements for Windows XP. This is affecting production" (bonus if they're wanting pre-SP3 supported, as I'm pretty sure MS won't allow that)

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Volmarias posted:

:v: I'm Randy, from Marketing.
:heysexy: Are you now?

I suspect that if Lum had seen this she'd have brought it up as she obviously has more Netware experience than me, but famously Novell had an employee called Randy Bender who pushed out a least a few of their technical articles.

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ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Lum posted:

And yes I had a childish giggle at that name on a few occasions.

Hours of fun - literally hours. Even more fun when you're reading at work, AND the only person to understand English, and people want you to explain why you're laughing. (I was genuinely barred from looking at ANY websites in English while at NEC headquarters working for them on a win32/MFC project. As anyone who is fluent in not-English will tell you, searching for programming help in any non-English language is a stupid idea - just within the remit of Microsoft here, the German MSDN is machine translated so makes no sense, and the Japanese MSDN is hand-translated which means that it is out of date, and has large chunks missing)

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