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Signal posted:I really want them to do a big shirtless, sexy Achilles for the line :p Or maybe a male Asura? Maybe they can put Achilles in a tunic, with his panties peaking out the bottom! Edit: Anyone have a good cheap source of catwalks? I am going to be using THESE CONTAINERS as stackable buildings, but I need some catwalks to go between them. dexefiend fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Sep 4, 2013 |
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So something came up which I think we've been getting wrong for the past several games. The only terrain-based penalty to BS comes from stuff you're physically up against, correct? For example, if you are shooting up into a building at a model through a narrow window, but the target is not actually up against the window/wall then the it's just distance+camo, etc. modifiers right? We'd been apparently misinterpreting the rules for cover/low visibility and applying the -3 BS mod against models with and obstructed line of fire, but that were not physically in contact with a piece of cover.
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Not Keyser Soze posted:So something came up which I think we've been getting wrong for the past several games. The only terrain-based penalty to BS comes from stuff you're physically up against, correct? For example, if you are shooting up into a building at a model through a narrow window, but the target is not actually up against the window/wall then the it's just distance+camo, etc. modifiers right? Yeah, we were making a similar mistake and I pretty much asked the same question in the last thread.  If the red circle is the firer then A would get cover (touching and obscured be the terrain), B would not (obscured but not touching) and C would not (obscured and touching tettain but not touching the terrain that is obscuring).
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I'm a new player but I think you're making a mistake the other responses haven't picked up on. Defender doesn't roll 1d20 per incoming shot. They choose their reaction and depending on their reaction usually only roll a single D20. The attacker's advantage is choosing advantageous matchups but also the fact they are rolling more dice than the defender. If the defender chooses to shoot they roll 1D20 and go FtF with all the attacker's dice BS to BS. If the defender chooses to dodge they roll 1D20 and go FtF with all the attacker's dice Ph to BS. In each scenario the defender compares their single with die with all the enemies dice simultaneously.
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Sardine Wit posted:I'm a new player but I think you're making a mistake the other responses haven't picked up on. I see now; now I know the defender's face-to-face roll has one dice to beat all the attacker's To Hits and still be below their BS it changes quite a bit. Thanks everyone for clearing this up, I'm now very stoked to play more of this.
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Bob Smith posted:I see now; now I know the defender's face-to-face roll has one dice to beat all the attacker's To Hits and still be below their BS it changes quite a bit. Good you cleared your doubts. Don't forget that some models CAN use more than one die when firing back (Total Reaction remotes, the Sin-Eaters), which makes them a big threat in ARO. And there are some unusual AROs, such as throwing smoke bombs to disrupt the attacker's LoF. The system is the same, but the effects can change a bit.
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How's it work for ARO's against non-direct combat actions like lets say using doctor. Is it then two normal rolls? Or doctor so hard I dodge bullets?
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MisterShine posted:How's it work for ARO's against non-direct combat actions like lets say using doctor. Is it then two normal rolls? Or doctor so hard I dodge bullets? Two normals. That way the shooter can kill the doctor and the doctor can kill the patient at the same time. It'd be pretty funny if it were opposed, though, and you saved the incapacitated dude by sniping that psychopathic quack off of him.
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Yeah, to be opposed rolls the actions have to mutually affect each other. IE yes, it is impossible to doctor someone if you get shot yourself. But if the rolls were opposed, you would get potential situations where the shooter hit, but the doctor was just doccing so drat hard he shrugged it off. Word from the O-12 podcast, which is often given preview information, is that Iguana is coming out next month (and some other factions' crap, I don't know). I have already bought too much loving infinity.
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How is shooting a Symbiont Armor resolved? Does it switch off immediately after getting to 0 W, or after the order? Namely, if I'm shooting at a Gao-Rael (1 W, Symbiont Armor) and he's hit twice, does he make the first roll at ARM 2 and the next at ARM 0 because the symbiont was disabled with the first hit, or does he roll twice at ARM 2 and the symbiont gets disabled at the end of the roll resolution?
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Pierzak posted:How is shooting a Symbiont Armor resolved? Does it switch off immediately after getting to 0 W, or after the order? Namely, if I'm shooting at a Gao-Rael (1 W, Symbiont Armor) and he's hit twice, does he make the first roll at ARM 2 and the next at ARM 0 because the symbiont was disabled with the first hit, or does he roll twice at ARM 2 and the symbiont gets disabled at the end of the roll resolution? It's disabled at the end of the order. If he takes five wounds he can use his armor against all of them.
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Sorry, the full releases for September are supposedly Iguana Mormaer HMG Nessiae (sp? Aleph special character) Edit: and then some knob-jockey on the infinity forum lumped his predictions for pano and mercenaries in with those. So any druze or stephen rao are unconfirmed/baseless. Disappointing. If this is true I will be spending a bit more. I just wish there was a way to use 5 druze in a list at once! Roll on mercenary sectorials I guess. Genghis Cohen fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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Genghis Cohen posted:I just wish there was a way to use 5 druze in a list at once! VVV welp Pierzak fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Sep 5, 2013 |
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4 Druze! But apparently Star Company will be getting the full link team whenever that comes out
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I'm back! Will add poo poo to OP Yesss to our TAG overlords this month. Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Sep 5, 2013 |
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Flipswitch posted:I'm back! Will add poo poo to OP tonight. Holy balls. So I'll be getting the Iguana, the Corregidor box, Nessaie alke and Atalanta this month? Guess it'll be one of those 'romantic dates at the park and other free activities' kind of months...
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I am getting a friend into Infinity with me. He likes Ariadna, is the Ariadna Starter, Tankhunters blister, and the Veteran Kazak with the AP HMG blister a good starting point?
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dexefiend posted:I am getting a friend into Infinity with me. He likes Ariadna, is the Ariadna Starter, Tankhunters blister, and the Veteran Kazak with the AP HMG blister a good starting point? That's a pretty great start, yeah.
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Yeah he can't really go wrong with that starter. With the Iguana coming out, I think I found a nice little upgrade for my list:  JURISDICTIONAL COMMAND OF CORREGIDOR────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1   10  0  0 IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 73)IGUANA OPERATOR HMG / Pistol, Knife.  WILDCAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (19)WILDCAT (Number 2) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (20)WILDCAT Heavy Rocket Launcher / Assault Pistol, Knife. (2 | 31)WILDCAT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)WILDCAT Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (19) INTRUDER Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (36) TOMCAT Engineer Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (22) HELLCAT HMG / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 29)HELLCAT Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (20)6 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 4 It did have a Lunokhod in the list instead of the Intruder with the Tomcat having a little Zondcat, but it didn't feel as right without the Intruder. E: managed to field test this, proxying the Iguana with my Jotum. Holy poo poo it hits HARD and HATES camouflage of any type. I did not realise the sheer amount of Flamethrowers in this list until I deployed. Playing against my buddies Shasvastii, it was a god drat bug hunt. Double Edit: Pierzak, my buddy is playing Shasvastii purely at the moment and it's the part of the game I have least knowledge of, he ran this against me list and it was a pretty good game, but he's wondering about changes to make to it. I said I'd post it here in the thread whilst I study up on the Shasvastii stuff so I can help him properly in the future.  SHASVASTII EXPEDITIONARY FORCE────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 10 0 0 GWAILO Lieutenant MULTI Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (32)GWAILO Spitfire / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 31)GWAILO MULTI Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (32)GWAILO Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, CCW. (0.5 | 36) ASWANG Combi Rifle, Adhesive Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (25) NOCTIFER Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 30) MALIGNOS Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, Monofilament Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 43)MALIGNOS Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun, Monofilament Mines / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 43) SEED-SOLDIER Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (14)SEED-SOLDIER Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (14)5.5 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 4 Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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Flipswitch posted:Yeah he can't really go wrong with that starter. I am now going to buy Nomads. Flipswitch, you should be getting commissions.
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dexefiend posted:I am now going to buy Nomads. Flipswitch, you should be getting commissions. Suggestion for that list: change the hellcat boarding shotgun for a daktari and 2 zondbots (one slaved to each specialist). I don't think the 3rd ad troop is adding that much to the list and another starting order would be good. Apart from that it is a pretty awesome list though. So bloody hard for me to write a corregidor list without 5 wildcats now.
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Yeah Wildcats are the first thing I consider adding into a list as my meat and bones, I'm playing around with running less of them though to give me more options, but sectorials are so limited anyway it's hard not to go full boar on the link teams. You could drop the Hellcat for sure, but that's more of a playstyle preference, I'm not a huge fan of medics in a full aggressive list like that one, I find they can't keep up, even with the Zonds as extensions. In a balanced list I usually take a Trauma Doc/Daktari, but I just can't find space in that one which doesn't compromise something I'm trying to do. dexefiend posted:I am now going to buy Nomads. Flipswitch, you should be getting commissions.  ALEPH section will be up in a bit too guys, then I'll work on CA and Tohaa, add bits to PanO and HaqqIslam, add gameplay sections and an FAQ and I think the OP will be done-ish. The V1 of it will be anyway. Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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Flipswitch posted:Double Edit: Pierzak, my buddy is playing Shasvastii purely at the moment and it's the part of the game I have least knowledge of, he ran this against me list and it was a pretty good game, but he's wondering about changes to make to it. I said I'd post it here in the thread whilst I study up on the Shasvastii stuff so I can help him properly in the future. Also, Shrouded 
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Sweet, thanks mate. He loves the Monofilament mines (and I hate them) which is why he ran double despite the cost and they posed massive issues for me moving on one side of the table which I had to resign being unable to take from him. He is toying with the idea of making one of them a Multi Sniper though. I'm not sure why he didn't run Shrouded either, but I didn't see them so I wasn't complaining either. Dropping the Seeds for Ikadrons is a good idea though, he needs to buy them at some point no doubt anyway. I'll send him the ideas forward, I think the one issue he's having is points cost with Shasvastii, I know he wanted Sheskiin in the list but chose to ditch her because he couldn't boot the 50 extra points. I'm not seeing a HRL option in the Army builder for the Gwailo or Malignos though, or do you mean the Missile Launcher Noctifer? E: Question for the thread, with the fluff sections, would you rather they be brief and strimmed down like the PanO/Haqq ones, or extended to about 5 paragraphs like the Ariadna one? Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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How terrible of an idea is this? I'm new to the game and want to play ISS. I want the Kuang Shi as order generation for the Su Jian, and the second fire group is more or less the ISS starter. How horrible is this, and would it be reasonable to play? At some point I would want to try a list with some HMG guys or maybe some Garuda tacbots, but for now this looks fun.  IMPERIAL SERVICE────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 7 1 4 CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (11) SFORZA Viral Rifle + Adhesive Launcher, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (23) SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (31) SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56) YÁOZĂO Electric Pulse. (3)GROUP 2 6 0 0CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)CELESTIAL GUARD Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (13)CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13) HSIEN MULTI Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW. (60) WU MÍNG Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (36)2.5 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 4 Korwen fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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Can someone explain what tactical role remotes fill? As a follow up, what faction can effectively use the most robots? I liked the idea of a Yu Jing list with lots of anime combat bots but other than the Su Jian (which is a lot of points) and maybe the Karakuri, most of them don't seem to be very combat effective.
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^^^: No, bots are quite effective. Most factions have their 4 basic bots (repeater/GML/reaction/sensor), and Yu Jing has some specialized ones to boot. The GML is nasty when it works, but is essentially a gimmick, because you need to write a large part of your list for it and it can be unfun to play / play against. The repeater is what it says on the tin, cheap orderbot or a 6-5 MOV repeater if you hack/need one for scenario reasons. The sensor bot is where you encounter the elusive Sensor/FO combo which lets you mark targets through walls with the sensor (good to use with the GML one). And the reaction bots are great board controllers and death to anything without camo. EVO bots are more or less passive buffs, and the specialized Yaoxie are a source of MSV and Holo1. It's fun when your "EVO repeater" suddenly pours napalm on some unsuspecting gently caress that tried to dismantle your support  Flipswitch posted:I'm not seeing a HRL option in the Army builder for the Gwailo or Malignos though, or do you mean the Missile Launcher Noctifer?  ).I think I'd prefer the smaller blurbs, they're less tl;dr and it's easier to write them without feeling forced/having to get people who play them to help (if you do the longer ones I'll gladly help with Yu Jing/CA) Pierzak fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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Aha didn't check Paradiso but that explains it. I don't think he knows about that model so I'll pass that along too. Agree on the smaller blurbs, will try to strim down the Ariadna one a bit.
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Acceptableloss posted:Can someone explain what tactical role remotes fill? There are some standard remote types: the sentry gun, the guided missile launcher, the mobile forward observer. There are faction specific ones as well. Yu Jing and PanO have some neat options for remotes, but I will leave it up to better minds to comment on how good they are. They fill the exact same roles as infantry with some strengths and weaknesses. They can be hacked, but I dont think they make Guts rolls. (Not sure.) You also must take either a TAG or a hacker to include one in a list, but suffer no direct effect if that model is removed from play during the game.
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Korwen posted:How terrible of an idea is this? I'm new to the game and want to play ISS. I want the Kuang Shi as order generation for the Su Jian, and the second fire group is more or less the ISS starter. Open with Army 4 If you're new to the game, it might be better to start with a conservative 10-order list . . . If you do go along these lines, and why not if it floats your boat, I would try and squeeze in a couple more models, especially that 5th celestial guard in the second group. The wu ming is somewhat out of place, a single 4-2 move HI with a boarding shotgun is quite hard to bring to bear. Definitely try for a list with more SWC, especially in long range weapons. And really I'm not sure about kuang shi as order generators. Yes they're cheap, but really you should use their offensive potential. Here is how I would use that basic collection of models . . . this would require a bit of proxying, maybe buy a couple more celestial guard, but that's not a big deal in infinity. 24 pts to spare, I would either downgrade the sophotect and add a powerful model to combat group 1, or tool up the celestial guard link. IMPERIAL SERVICE────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 8 1 0CELESTIAL GUARD Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 20)CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (31)SFORZA Viral Rifle + Adhesive Launcher, Nanopulser / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (23)SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)HSIEN HMG / Pistol, AP CCW. (2 | 61)GROUP 2 5 0 4CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)5.5 SWC | 276 Points To explain myself, because I don't mean to just waltz up and tell you what to do, this is a better way to use kuang shi. Depending on who has the initiative (turn 1), you could either deploy them as a link to restrain impetuosity, or leave them separate and unleash them forward. Either way the cg are a more viable link to support your heavy hitters through the endgame. Little things like the hmg hsien can make a big difference too. Always question your use of swc, armies need long range guns and/or ways to get up the field and into cqb. Hope all that helps.
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Yeah, I'm going to leap with the advice of sticking with a single combat group for beginning to learn, and learn at 150pts! not 300! 300pts is a HUGE leap and there are a lot of intricacies with learning the game, so stick to a lower point scale. You don't have to use a starterbox and it's very easy to make a pocket version of what you're after at this point scale. IMPERIAL SERVICE ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 8 0 4CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56) IMPERIAL AGENT (Chain of Command, X Visor) Combi Rifle + E/Mitter / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (43)2.5 SWC | 145 Points Open with Army 4 It's a bit of a skewy way to approach the game, but it's far from an incorrect way of playing. The ISS starterbox is pretty good though if you want a more traditional route. I didn't start with a Nomad starterbox when I picked them up as I knew the route I wanted to go, but I did with my PanO as a brand new player into the game. Speaking of Nomads, thinking of giving this a whirl once the Geckos hit: JURISDICTIONAL COMMAND OF CORREGIDOR────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 0 0 GECKO 2 Combi Rifles, Chain-colt, Panzerfaust / . (1 | 54)GECKO PILOT Pistol, Knife. GECKO Mk12, Chain-colt, Blitzen / . (1.5 | 55)GECKO PILOT Pistol, Knife. INTRUDER HMG, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 44)INTRUDER Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (36)WILDCAT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (19)WILDCAT Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)WILDCAT Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)TOMCAT Engineer Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges + 1 Zondcat / Pistol, Knife. (28) ZONDCAT Electric Pulse.  SALYUT (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (8)6 SWC | 300 Points Open with Army 4 Acceptableloss posted:Can someone explain what tactical role remotes fill? Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Sep 6, 2013 |
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Or even better, link the Kuang Shi: IMPERIAL SERVICE ────────────────────────────────────────────────── GROUP 1 9 0 5CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13)KUANG SHI Boarding Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (11)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (5)SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)WU MÍNG Boarding Shotgun, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (36)2.5 SWC | 149 Points Open with Army 4
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I should state that the reason I wanted to play ISS is because I think HI, especially the Su Jian, are awesome as hell and I want to have as many badass robosuit motherfuckers shoot huge guns at my enemies as possible, so the idea of cheap cheerleaders intrigued me. Thanks a ton for the advice, I'll try to give those lists a shot at my LGS, should be fun. Now to get these things painted, I'm blown away at how tiny all these models are.
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