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Adam Kensai posted:Are there a lot of cheesecaky-y models? The initial draw for me, just based on a quick look around the website, is that the female soldiers actually look like soldiers instead of strippers in tear away soldier outfits. There are not that many cheesecake models so you can usually just avoid or easily modify them. (Unless you play Nomad).
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The number of good/reasonable lady models way outweighs the number of cheesecake ones by far. I didn't even know two of the Haramakis were ladies until it was pointed out to me. I think it's just that the cheesecake ones are really cringe-worthy so its easy to remember them. No clue who they are pandering to - I mean it wouldn't surprise me but the idea of there being a market for tiny sexualised toy people seems like the saddest thing ever. And whoah I'm really surprised they decided early on to go with the current croc-man with combi-rifle over this one (it's not a conversion) :  Dude's a baller. I usually like using croc-men as proxies for nagas in ASA because it looks better thematically. What a shame. Tardscream fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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TastyAvocado posted:You must not have looked very hard. I did not. I will say that the rules are scratching an itch for me so far on my lunch break though. I like reactions, I like cover that matters and busy battlefields.
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Adam Kensai posted:I did not. I will say that the rules are scratching an itch for me so far on my lunch break though. I like reactions, I like cover that matters and busy battlefields. This is exactly what is drawing me into this game vs. starting another 40k army. That and the lack of 11" tall models that gain cover based on having a toe touching a hill. I will say, having not played the game yet the different rolls seem fairly difficult to understand at first glance - it may be the shift from d6 to d20, perhaps.
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There are a LOT of cheesecakey models in Infinity. My advice; don't buy them. Use proxies.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:Am I doing this right? I personally don't love the bronze guns, but if you like the paint jobs, and you enjoyed painting them, and will actually field them; then yes you are doing this exactly right.
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Indolent Bastard posted:(Unless you play Nomad) (is this the stage where we post Savonarola's ALEPH dildobots or not yet?  )And I'll be making a sectorial-focused intro to supplement the above list. When I get around to it. Eventually. Pierzak fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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Indolent Bastard posted:I personally don't love the bronze guns, but if you like the paint jobs, and you enjoyed painting them, and will actually field them; then yes you are doing this exactly right. I was a little torn on where to go with the guns. I like it for now. I'm going to get my CA starter painted up and get some games in with my buddy who bought Haqqislam, and see where it goes from there!
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Dr. Clockwork posted:I was a little torn on where to go with the guns. I like it for now. I'm going to get my CA starter painted up and get some games in with my buddy who bought Haqqislam, and see where it goes from there! You can always touch them up if you choose to. But all in all, great start. (Other than picking the wrong team  )
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The guns' color scheme could use some breaking. Like a second, non-metallic color, or more visible highlighting. (and it is exactly the right team thank you  )
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Adam Kensai posted:Are there a lot of cheesecaky-y models? The initial draw for me, just based on a quick look around the website, is that the female soldiers actually look like soldiers instead of strippers in tear away soldier outfits. There are definitely a lot of cheesecake female miniatures. There are also some pretty great female miniatures. In fact, with the exception of Odas, I put most of Haqq's infantry in that latter category. The female Ghulam and Halqa are both parts of why I got into Haqq (along with the Ghulam hacker from Marathon and the Asawira from Crysis). Here's a lovely cell snapshot of those two + my now-effectively-obsolete hacker:  (I just figured out how to get cell phone pictures onto my computer easily; indulge my lovely image quality. And yes, that's turquoise instead of typical Haqq green; I liked it better that way.) e: Also, because I happen to have it and I don't think it's been posted here before, this is a pic of a part of Cal's Infinity terrain. Cal is one of our regulars who is a terrain machine; he's since pumped out several more tables' worth of terrain, both urban and jungle, and he knows how to do it on a budget (apparently most of the materials he gets for free from his workplace, which would otherwise just throw it out).  That's a 4'x8' table, IIRC. You can make out a Marut TAG in red and black on the left corner of the table space. This table was set up for a 300pt game before ITS scenarios came out, instead using one of the card systems. I think that Haqq won (not me - I still can't field 300 pts) by using drop troops to flank and destroy the Marut. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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Pierzak posted:The guns' color scheme could use some breaking. Like a second, non-metallic color, or more visible highlighting. I hit them with a flesh wash, but yeah I think I'm going to break up that solid bronze mass. I shall report back! This is the first time I've put so many colors on a single model, and my scheme is still much simpler than the studio paintjobs on the Infinity site. CA is a very colorful army...
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To be honest, some people aren't a fan of the battleheels, nevermind some of the pumped up sexualism in some of the range, but it's part of the design roots of the genre and the anime/cyberpunk aesthetic, so it comes with the game. End Discussio please!Dr. Clockwork posted:Am I doing this right? Also Corbs, that terrain owns loving bones.
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Flipswitch posted:To be honest, some people aren't a fan of the battleheels, nevermind some of the pumped up sexualism in some of the range, but it's part of the design roots of the genre and the anime/cyberpunk aesthetic, so it comes with the game. End Discussio please! Well yeah, I suppose I could put a few more highlights on their lovingly sculpted buttocks and crotches... There, I got the thread back on track. You're welcome!
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Pierzak posted:the Chimera can be reposed into an aggressive pose (and/or given a weapon) That's... difficult. The miniature's pieces don't lend themselves to a repose very well. Adding a weapon was the best I could do, and I've still not gotten around to painting her:  The only time I've used her was to proxy for the SMG Oda that donated her hands to the project. I intend to use the Spitfire from the spec-ops blister to make a second Spitfire Oda, but I haven't had the fortitude to commit to that much cutting with a hobby knife again. e: I also spent some time reading the aforementioned linked blog, and the follow-up article on the really good female soldier sculpts is pretty much a laundry list of why I like the visuals of the factions that I like (especially the JSA). If you're interested in reading about the flip side of the coin, I highly recommend it. The author's thresholds for bullshit versus tolerable are almost exactly the same as mine. Flipswitch posted:Also Corbs, that terrain owns loving bones. Cal is pretty much the best person ever to have in your tabletop group. He even made an entire table of terrain specifically for the PAX Prime Infinity demos, all of which we now have at the FLGS. Also something that doesn't come through in that photo is that both the elevated rail car and the various elevators within buildings all move, and the group has made up simple rules for using them (IIRC, elevators are just a simple action with no roll to call or activate). We luxuriate in Cal's benevolent glory. Now that I know how to get photos off my phone, I plan to document local games more often. There's some really cool stuff that goes down with climbing and jumping on this terrain. I won my last game when my Asawira vaulted off the side of a building, survived the landing, and sprinted up an unguarded alley with his 4-4 movement to rambo-gut my opponent's back line (including Lt.). Heck, I've even been meaning to give Khawarij a real try at some point - if they'll work anywhere, it's definitely here! Corbeau fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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Corbeau posted:First, that table looks incredible, and it looks like it would be sweet to play on.
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This is incredibly cool. Corbeau posted:e: I also spent some time reading the aforementioned linked blog, and the follow-up article on the really good female soldier sculpts is pretty much a laundry list of why I like the visuals of the factions that I like (especially the JSA). If you're interested in reading about the flip side of the coin, I highly recommend it. The author's thresholds for bullshit versus tolerable are almost exactly the same as mine. Neat, thank you. His tolerances are about where mine are as well. For the thread: I appreciate last page's faction overview, but I was wondering how the Haqqislam faction actually played? It's pretty clear for the others (Pano are great at gunfights, etc.) but the Haqqislam description is a bit too rolled up in lingo for me to get a hold on them. I like their models though.
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Played some more intro games tonight with the basic demo stats from the quickstart leaflet; teams comprising "Dakinis" proxied by generic bodysuit models with rifles (anything from Asuras to Posthumans), "Garudas" proxied by Dakinis and Proxy Mk2/3s and Myrmidons to represent Devas and Nagas. So far I've managed to convince three people at my club to give Infinity the time of day - I hope it becomes even more popular! I've also finally got the hang of AROs, but for the life of me I couldn't roll a dice tonight. The number of natural 20s I rolled for AROs leading to my Lts getting drilled by combi-rifle shots hitting on 5s or 6s was depressing.
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Almost all of the PanOceanian women are strong and respectable. The Kamau, Nisses and fusilers especially, they don't even have battle heels. Only one Acontecimento Regular has a bare midriff and I can almost forgive that since by fluff they 1) have less armour than normal line troops and 2) are jungle veterans. The boarding shotgun ORC is also rad and one of my favourite models.
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IMO, the strength of Haqqislam is in their versatility. Haqq has amazing cost-effective tactical options for basically everything imaginable, meaning you can bring a very balanced list and then emphasize specific models in your tactics depending on what your opponent fields. I don't think there's such a thing as a "bad matchup" for vanilla Haqq. Useful Haqqislam purchases in order of subjective priority: 1) Naffatun blister. --- You get two heavy flamethrower Naffatun who are cool dynamic figures and probably the best cheap infantry in the entire game. 2) Haqqislam starter pack. --- A few Ghulam infantry are great in lower-point games because they're a 14 WIP Lt. option. Since you can easily take multiple, it's also non-obvious which one is your Lt. (which is kind of a big deal in Infinity). --- Another Naffatun is never bad. I'd probably proxy her as the heavy flamethrower version, but either one works. --- In terms of table performance the Hunzakut is probably my favorite model in the entire game. Being irregular doesn't matter when he's your point-man and he has the equipment options to support any kind of force that you could possibly dream of fielding in Haqq. He can even be a Forward Observer, which allows him to fulfill objectives in ITS scenarios. --- The Jannisary is the only model from the starter that I have never fielded, but that's not because he's bad. The Jann is just pretty vanilla so I prefer paying for the offensive special abilities of the Asawira when it comes to fielding HI. If you need to hold a position like a rock, the Jann would do that very well. I'd start with the previous two choices and then one of the next four blisters (or box, if applicable) when starting a Haqq army. 3) Either version of the Hassassin Lasiq --- One of the greatest strengths of playing Haqq is that you can bring a huge toolbox. The Lasiq provides you with multiple unique tools in one model: Viral weaponry, climbing plus (this is huge in urban terrain), and mimetism (also x-visor, but I consider that more of an occasional bonus than a powerful tool). It doesn't have the 4-4 MOV that I adore, nor a second wound or pseudo wound, but the versatility and power are easily worth it. 4) Hassassin Barid --- If you have any interest in hacking or remotes, then this guy is a steal. Amazing loadouts, strong stats, and very affordable price. Until he came around Haqq was in kind of a painful place for hackers. Not so today! Oh, and don't forget that the Hunzakut carries around deployable repeaters... 5) Spitfire Odalisque --- Yeah, I know. Still, Odas are flat-out the most cost effective general combat troops that you can bring. NWI makes them tough, SSL2 gives them vastly better chances to survive camo attacks, i-kohl has mattered exactly once for me ever but is a godsend against CC-specialists, and the Oda's higher BS and good weapon loadouts make them very deadly at most engagement ranges. That said, you don't have to field them. They're powerful in direct combat but they don't actually add that much to Haqq's toolbox. I do like having at least one massive blunt object available just in case I need it though. 6) Hassasin Muyibs --- Remember what I said about toolboxes? If the Oda is a blunt hammer, these guys are an entire freaking workshop. Name a tool and they've got it. Viral mines to protect flanks? Can do. Anti-armor weapons? Oh hell yes. Smoke launchers? Got that covered. Need some d-charges for an objective? Sure thing! How about a doctor who can get shot while making the rounds and then sow himself up? Yeah, we got that too. Muyibs are substantially more difficult to use than Odas, their main competition in this price range, but they can give you ridiculous tactical advantages. Note that if you're really into the Hassassin toolbox, you can get a Muyib, a Lasiq, a Fiday, and a Ragik all in the Hassassin starter. It's a perfectly fine purchase even if you're playing vanilla Haqq, IMO. And there are a ton more great pieces that I haven't even touched on, including the fancier Hassasins and crazy stuff like Kum bikers, Tuareg infiltrators, or that god-king of blunt objects known as the Asawira. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Sep 17, 2013 |
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gobbledygoat posted:Almost all of the PanOceanian women are strong and respectable. The Kamau, Nisses and fusilers especially, they don't even have battle heels. Only one Acontecimento Regular has a bare midriff and I can almost forgive that since by fluff they 1) have less armour than normal line troops and 2) are jungle veterans. The boarding shotgun ORC is also rad and one of my favourite models. Sorry on delays to updating the OP guys, work is snowballing me at the moment and I'm knackered when I get home. I'll try to smash out an update tomorrow afternoon, but if not it won't be until weekend-ish?.
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Corbeau posted:The author's thresholds for bullshit versus tolerable are almost exactly the same as mine. Adam Kensai posted:His tolerances are about where mine are as well. Thanks guys (It's me, I'm the author)  I'm slowly getting back into a painting groove, so hopefully I'll be updating more. I considered writing about the Bootleg line, but it'd just be more of the same.Also everything Corbeau said about the Haq starter is totally true, and all the models are amazing in it. And Naffatun own bones.
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Corbeau posted:Words about Haqqislam Thanks for this. The models look great (except the Odalisque, which had a cringe-worthy bit of lore text to boot), and I love the theme! Have any of the Infinity players here seen the Deadzone mini game's Kickstarter? If so, do you think that the Deadzone terrain would do decent double duty as Infinity terrain?
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That table looks insanely cool, Corbeau. If we had one like that it'd take a tow truck to drag me from the club. And can we have pics of the red Marut? I'm almost done painting mine in the usual Apple white-gray and would like to see some alternatives. For when I can field two of them in the Vedic sectorial, I mean. 
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Adam Kensai posted:Thanks for this. The models look great (except the Odalisque, which had a cringe-worthy bit of lore text to boot), and I love the theme! This is the terrain they are shipping with the Deadzone kickstarter, in case anyone missed it:  Some prototype terrain on the table: 
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Also, worth noting re: beginners, don't be afraid to play vanilla if you're not absolutely in love with a sectorial. Frankly I think the versatility of vanilla Haqq is stronger than being able to field a sectorial link team. While links are nasty, there are tools and tactics that can wreck them - and if you're playing vanilla, it's easy to bring those tools.Sephyr posted:And can we have pics of the red Marut? I'm almost done painting mine in the usual Apple white-gray and would like to see some alternatives. For when I can field two of them in the Vedic sectorial, I mean. I don't have any specific pictures of his army, but I'll ask him. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Sep 18, 2013 |
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gobbledygoat posted:Almost all of the PanOceanian women are strong and respectable.  Corbeau posted:Also, worth noting re: beginners, don't be afraid to play vanilla if you're not absolutely in love with a sectorial. Frankly I think the versatility of vanilla Haqq is stronger than being able to field a sectorial link team. While links are nasty, there are tools and tactics that can wreck them - and if you're playing vanilla, it's easy to bring those tools. Pierzak fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Sep 18, 2013 |
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Pierzak posted:
Hear, hear. I really, really hope CB manages to keep the balance between vanilla and sectorials so that both remain interesting and play-worthy. Objective missions may be a big factor in that since not many sectorials can field a good hacker/doctor/engineer spread.
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Sephyr posted:And can we have pics of the red Marut? I'm almost done painting mine in the usual Apple white-gray and would like to see some alternatives. For when I can field two of them in the Vedic sectorial, I mean. Got a reply back; this post on the official Infinity forum has pictures both his Marut and his Asura among jungle terrain (which apparently was his creation - I thought it was also Cal, but apparently Cal's just been cranking out the urban boards like crazy).
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Sephyr posted:I'm almost done painting mine in the usual Apple white-gray and would like to see some alternatives.
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So what do people do for terrain? I've googled infinity terrain and it seems really expensive to purchase, do people make their own?
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I was thinking of getting back into 40k and balking at the cost a little bit, so I stumbled over here, did some research, and I like what I see. The main site is a little difficult to navigate as far as miniatures are concerned, is there a resource that clearly divides things by faction AND sectorial as well? I don't really understand the sectorial distinction, I guess.
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Best way mate is to look at sectorials on army builder, then just reference the gallery. It's all mostly thematic too, so you can usually check just by names. Knights for Military Order sectorial, Acontecimento stuff for ASA. That sort of thing.
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Darn, so now that my main Infinity opponent is in this thread, I can't post my lists to get c&c. Genghis Coheeeeeeeen! 
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MoreLikeTen posted:I was thinking of getting back into 40k and balking at the cost a little bit, so I stumbled over here, did some research, and I like what I see. The main site is a little difficult to navigate as far as miniatures are concerned, is there a resource that clearly divides things by faction AND sectorial as well? I don't really understand the sectorial distinction, I guess. Yes. Use Aleph Toolbox, make a sectorial list, every unit has a picture/link to the official gallery. Direwolf posted:So what do people do for terrain? I've googled infinity terrain and it seems really expensive to purchase, do people make their own? Pierzak fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Sep 18, 2013 |
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Yeah, getting hold of Infinity terrain is the trickiest part of playing it. There are some great paper-based terrain designs floating about on the scenery section of the official forum.
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ineptmule posted:Darn, so now that my main Infinity opponent is in this thread, I can't post my lists to get c&c. HAHAHA. Intelligence Preparation of the Battlespace, matey! On the other hand you have a greater variety of armies than I do, so it works out. Seriously thinking about getting rid of this Acontecimento, not even to start something else, just to consolidate. I feel like I've overstretched myself with stuff to paint.
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Genghis Cohen posted:HAHAHA. Intelligence Preparation of the Battlespace, matey! On the other hand you have a greater variety of armies than I do, so it works out. Seriously thinking about getting rid of this Acontecimento, not even to start something else, just to consolidate. I feel like I've overstretched myself with stuff to paint. So I'm thinking about going all Daylami... Edit: dozens of shaolin monks
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Genghis Cohen posted:HAHAHA. Intelligence Preparation of the Battlespace, matey! On the other hand you have a greater variety of armies than I do, so it works out. Seriously thinking about getting rid of this Acontecimento, not even to start something else, just to consolidate. I feel like I've overstretched myself with stuff to paint. If you're serious I might be interested in buying it!
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