Pierzak posted:

It's OK except the Tiger LT, if you want to airdrop him you'll start in Loss of LT. You get 1 SWC for every 50 pts in list format (not in points used)

Zhent posted:

Is it possible to make a list to fit any playstyle out of each faction? I haven't actually played yet, so I'm looking for a starting list that will let me get into the game and learn the rules while still being somewhat competitive.

Pierzak posted:

What did you say? I can't hear you. You wanna wall of text? Have a wall of text.

Words

Pierzak posted:

Someone wanted "a 2 Su-Jian list with adequate specialists". Maybe someone else will make use of mine:

IMPERIAL SERVICE
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GROUP 1 10 0 0

CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13)
GUĬ FĒNG (WIP15, BTS-6, Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (13 | 12XP)
SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)
SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 56)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (31)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
Yaókòng WÈIBĪNG Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (21)
Yaókòng WÈIBĪNG Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (21)
RUI SHI Spitfire / Electric Pulse. (1 | 25)

GROUP 2 1 0 0

Yaókòng HÙSÒNG HMG + E/M Light Grenade Launcher / Electric Pulse. (1 | 35)

6 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 4


...drone maniac? There's only 6 of them, I don't know what you're talking about

Dulkor posted:

Short version. PanO has high tech, high BS, and middling willpower on average (outside of the knights anyway). They hit hard but they can have trouble with the hacking end of the game unless you invest in the better characters. This also applies to the objectives that require WP rolls. Their powerful gear and HI also means you have to watch out for hostile hackers and EMP. On the plus side, you've got the best overall access to TO camo and some of the best TAG choices in the game.

Haqq is slightly lower tech but a lot more dedicated, reflected in good WP stats all around. They tend to favor LI and MI specialists, and their biotech focus shows up in game as extensive access to doctors and units with funkier special rules like viral ammo, regeneration and super jump. High WP also makes them more competitive in the hacking side of things and fairly reliable on WP rolls in general, whether detection, intuitive attacks or objectives. You won't have nearly as many big scary toys as PanO, but they're entirely viable.

Personally, I like Haqq more and they have solid starter boxes (the Hassassin box requires proxies, however). Pick whichever you like the look of better and you'll find some way to make them work.

Sephyr posted:

Netrods are not bad, but trust me, you WANT cheerleader models that can go places, do stuff, dodge fire and shoot people. Netrods give you no AROs to cover your backfield, cannot be redeployed to help your advance, cannot be used to shoot up an easy target like a hacked enemy HI or an approaching dog-warrior.

That, and they also scatter off the board or into vulnerable places, letting the enemy strip your orders freely.

I used to run 3 netrods when I started Infinity, mostly because I hate dakinis, and had a mess of problems with them. Ecept for the time a HMG nomad paratrooper had to spend 3 orders to kill a single netrod that kept making armor saves. That was awesome.

But as soon as Thorakitai came around, I bring in one at the most.

P.S: What the hell is this Kriza Boracs figure that showed up on the box set art?

Flipswitch posted:

S.W.O.R.D. Agent posted:

Yes, it is a face to face roll. You'll adjust both attributes (PH vs BS) by the appropriate modifiers, and then roll. The smoke grenade only goes off if you win the roll.

Example:

Dao Fei shoots an out of cover Myrmidon from 15 inches away with a Boarding shotgun. Myrmidon decides to throw smoke at his feet.
Myrmidon PH 13 plus +3 for range on the grenade (+3 from 0"-4") = 16 or less
Dao Fei BS 13 plus 0 (0 from 8"-16") for range on the boarding shotgun = 13
Dao Fei Modified BS of 13 - 6 from Myrmidon ODD = 7
The Dao Fei now has 2 dice at a BS 7 or less against the Myrmidon's one dice of 16 or less.

S.W.O.R.D. Agent posted:

During the active turn you choose a spot for the smoke. Figure out the modifier. Roll dice. If successful the smoke goes off a that spot. If you fail the template disperses 2.5" x the failure category.

Example:

Myrmidon wants to throw a Grenade 7" away.
You have PH 13. The modifier is 4"-8" = 0. So you're looking for a 13.
You roll and get a 17. 17 - 13 = 4 (this is your failure category).
4 x 2.5 = 10
The smoke with disperses 10" in direction 7 (the 2nd digit of your dice roll. The 1 always points to the center of the table).

Also, no really one minds answering questions, so don't be afraid to keeping asking them. However, you may find the link below incredibly useful.

http://infinitythegame.wikispot.org/Home?action=show&redirect=Front+Page

S.J. posted:

I always thought it was weird how loving far a mis thrown grenade would travel.

Flipswitch posted:

HS is the HS wave of releases and link team rules. Paradiso is a campaign book yes. I wouldn't get the rulebooks with N3 around the corner.

Baron Snow posted:

Yeah, the book won't be ready yet, but here's the prices for what they will have:

Icestorm: $120
Penthesilea: $20
Cosplay Bolt: $20

All 3: $140

Acceptableloss posted:

OK I need a rules clarification.

Let's say my Myrmidon (who has ODD and is standing in the open) is shot at by an enemy model that does not have any MSV. I use his ARO to throw a smoke grenade at his own feet. What happens? Is there a face to face roll? Does my opponent get to shoot me and then the grenade smoke happens? Does he shoot at me at -12 BS (-6 for ODD, -6 for smoke)?

Flipswitch posted:

We usually give ALEPH the moniker of being the noob power gaming faction ala Space Marines, their powerful stuff is REALLY obvious to newer players when some of the power stuff of other factions like Ariadna can be a bit harder to appreciate. All the factions are busted as gently caress though.

WAR FOOT posted:

Truly, it is the Marut that has won out in these changes.

S.J. posted:

I'd love to get an Aleph sectorial that let me have Tacbot link teams.

Indolent Bastard posted:

Just a heads-up, MayaNet Version 1.2 available in The App Store

Hoboskins posted:

Maybe it came up earlier but I was just directed to the thread that contains all the removed troop profiles for 3e. Sorry Yu-Jing Hmg Tiger soldier RIP

Also completely removing all Exrah models forever that was surprising. Cascuda, vector and void operators all profiles...

WAR FOOT posted:

Anyone who knows anything about ALEPH will immediately identify your LT.

Flipswitch posted:

What point scale did ya play chap? Aleph models point for point are very strong but they have definite weaknesses.

MJ12 posted:

A lot of their advantages have hard counters. NWI is hard-countered by Shock ammo, while ODD is hard-countered by MSV. They don't really have basic cheerleader grunts-Dakinis are hugely expensive, chainrifle myrmidons are expensive and lack any long-ranged weapons (and are neutered by MSV2), Thorakitai are slow and you can only have 3 unless you're Phalanx.

ALEPH also doesn't tend to have great anti-armor weapons or heavy weapons-HMGs are hugely rare, your most likely source of AP damage will either be melee combat or MULTI Rifles, and you don't have many long range weapons. Steel Phalanx is even worse off on that front.

Laphroaig posted:

With the changes to Suppressive Fire, I think cheap units being dumped into it 4 at a time with 1 coordinated order is a pretty good deal.