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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Seat Safety Switch posted:

What? Don't you just have an eye exam like here?
That's how we do it too, read a plate in the car park.

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Previa_fun posted:

A friend of mine took his driver's test in a Honda Accord 5 speed and failed for "shifting too late" when (according to him) he shifted at 2.5-3K. He retook the test in an automatic car and passed easily. :v:
"Appropriate RPM" is definitely one if the things where I find it irritating to have to meet the expectations of a tester who knows far less than I do about cars or driving. So much poo poo is decades out of date, if not flat out wrong.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Or those moments where you think "Yeah, I probably should've stopped for that one" - and three people come through after you.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

quaint bucket posted:

It was a weird moment on the road.
Is you buddy's pickup running a Duelly rear axle?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
*crickets chirp*

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

IOwnCalculus posted:

there is no good that will come from further flogging of this horse.
Jesus Christ, don't get them started on horses as well.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Secret Machine posted:

Totally, they have such awful power numbers and if you bolt a turbo to a horse it kills it. What is that bullshit?
Try a K&N nose bag to improve breathing, and make sure you use a wideband veterinarian for the initial tune. Some people recommend porting the wastegate, but it's a messy job, and only seems to give good results for Welsh or Kiwi ovine specialists anyway.

At least they have good traction with four limb drive, and grippy hooves. I mean, some people will say something sticks like glue, but there's no substitute for the genuine article.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Or you have the situation in the UK, where a 100% not at fault accident (idiot runs into the back of you while you're stopped in traffic, for example) is still justification to raise your insurance premiums because :jerkbag:.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
I'm extremely glad I got most of my idiocy out of my system before the roads started getting a lot of 50 limits to replace 60/70 ones, and speed cameras proliferated everywhere.

I agree that if people are going to drive like knobs anyway, it's worth seeing if they can at least be vaguely competent knobs. I also firmly believe that an understanding of how cars work makes you a better driver, and better able to read what it is you're asking the car to do.

What I've seen of things like police "advanced" courses seems ok, and some of that stuff would probably be worth incorporating on top of basic driving tuition.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
You're simply not classy enough to pull it off, is all:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Train_Races

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
As he crests the rise I think he completely loses front-end traction (possibly a bit of a yump?), the car doesn't turn-in relative to the applied lock, but there's no obvious squeal. From the car, at least.


Also, from today: Pull out to pass a truck, as does the guy behind me, and some oik in a Seat Leon accelerates up the inside of us and cuts out in front of me. I was maybe five car lengths from the truck at this point, probably had a 15mph speed differential over it. I could understand if I'd been a zombie sat in the outer lane for the past half mile, but it was pretty obvious I was pulling out to maintain my speed past the truck. He's lucky I wasn't driving the 10mph faster I would normally do, it'd have closed the door on him right where he needed to pull out.

As it was, there wasn't any danger, he was just being a knob. I don't have a problem with undertaking if it's because your inside lane is moving faster, and the person in the outside lane should have pulled in ages ago, but if there's a slow vehicle being overtaken by someone who, though faster, is still slower than yourself, that's kind of just how life is. It's not like I don't try to keep from holding up people who I see coming up behind me quick.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

wayfinder posted:

Did I miss any? :sigh:
  • It was taught to you when you learned to drive that it was correct not to indicate if there was no-one around to indicate to, and you didn't spot someone was there.
No, really, they actually did this, hilariously oblivious to the fact that just because you didn't spot someone doesn't mean there isn't someone there, and the indicator might give enough warning to avoid an accident. loving ridiculous.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Oh, they'd love the beeper you get when you have a trailer hooked up. Do you have those in the US? They're meant to remind you you've got the trailer on the back when you indicate. Most of the ones I've encountered sound like either a squealing rodent or a dalek having a panic attack.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
I live it when people get wound up that I won't go when waved out, completely ignoring that they are on the inside lane of a dual carriageway, and the outer lane is 1) not properly visible from my position 2) still moving along even though their lane is stationary.

Yes, random stranger, I shall obediently risk an at-fault collision because to do otherwise would show a lack of gratitude for your apparent courtesy and so insult you...

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

trouser chili posted:

I'm assuming these guys just drive around looking for pallets behind buildings to haul back to some pallet hording palletman that's building a spaceship made of pallets or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjhjaN5zKI

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

leica posted:

I'm all for having nice cars, but people that care more about their cars than their loving children really irk me. MY CAR BETTER NOT GET SCRATCHED OR ILL KILL BABY ANIMALS AAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!
People that care more about their loving children than my cars really irk me.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
They should make the lift beefy enough to just flip cars that do that.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Super Aggro Crag posted:

Did you tell her that it's spelled Bimmer?
Oh God, I thought that nonsense died years ago.

kastein posted:

Are we talking about winter traction aids or sexual preferences here?
You do know a lot about suspension.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Well it worked on an F-117, why not an F-350?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

EightBit posted:

Good luck doing that in a cramped lot with angled parking spots, especially when an impatient soccer mom is inches off of your bumper.
God, people who do this. Especially on the street. I indicate reeaaaal early, slow down gently, hug the roadside a bit more, and generally do everything to shout "Hey, rear end in a top hat, I'm stopping here!", and they still get right up my arse - and then get pissed off when I stop, and they don't have enough distance ahead of them to pull out easily. I even sometimes pull over to the side to let people pass before I reach my house, so I can back in without inconveniencing anyone (I live near the end of the street, people think my indicator for pulling into my drive is an early indicator for the junction ahead), and they still loving do it. And then they sit there like some kind of beached whale as it takes them a distinct amount of time to realise I have stopped. I was stopping, and now I have stopped. I am not moving. Forward motion has ceased. I am, in fact, parked.

:argh: in general.

Geirskogul posted:

Backing out allows a tighter turning circle and requires less linear motion for a greater angle change, similar to why a forklift has the turning wheels on the back. Combine this with a bed that can extend feet past the rear axle and pulling out forward in a cramped lot can result in a bad time.
Hmm, I disagree here. You're right about the "rear wheel steering" for maneuverability, but I find the limitation is that there's not sufficient room side-to-side for the swingout in order to do it neatly, and that compounds the problem of not having great visibility for people driving past. It depends on the dimensions of what you're driving.

Of course, pulling in forwards means the back's clear to you can open it and put your shopping in...

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
On the subject of how long yellows are, it does irritate me that the timings they put on them on faster roads aren't always sufficient to allow for the official minimum stopping distances in the highway code. I would get a certain amount of satisfaction if someone was able to contest a ticket for running a red on the basis that they were doing the speed limit (because hey, isn't that all that matters for safety?) and it is self-evidently, by their own figures, physically impossible for them to stop in the time given.

Of course, those stopping distances are nowhere near accurate, so it's not actually a problem, and you can stop, but inaccurate information is worse than none, and they should update the figures to reflect cars with disc brakes.

cursedshitbox: You know what's quite satisfying? Yelling abuse at cyclists who run reds when you are also on a bike and have stopped like you're supposed to.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

xzzy posted:

There's actually a growing trend of people contesting tickets for precisely that reason. There are published standards documenting how long a yellow light should be to allow the intersection to safely clear, and demonstrating that an intersection is shorter than the recommended interval has a good chance of getting a judge to throw out the ticket. I'm unclear on the specifics but I think finding intersections that do not meet specifications can put cities in danger of losing funding, so they'll even fix the light timing if you point it out.
I'm in the UK. I can pretty much promise that the outcome would be a combination of "Hah", "gently caress" and "You" followed by a doubling of the fine.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Geoj posted:

It's not like the car ahead of you is going to go from 70 to 0 in an instant.

Snowdens Secret posted:

That math works if the car suddenly explodes into momentumless chunks, or runs into an immovable wall, or something similarly unlikely. Assuming the car in front decelerates in a more probable manner, you've got a much more realistic window in which to brake and maneuver.

Yep.

He probably is a bit too close, but the flaw in your calculations is that he has 1/3rd of a second to react before he reaches where the car in front was, not before he definitely hits it. It won't be there anymore, and even if it instantly started braking at 1g, the closing speed after the half-second you quote would be about 10mph, and whether or not there's a collision is going to depend on whether the car in front brakes harder (crunch) or he does (no crunch). He's probably going to gobble up half his following distance just reacting, but the question of how things end comes down to who hits the pedal hardest.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Well... yes, it probably does, if he's used to it, but I thought the only people who were advised to drive like that were coffin-dodgers with only the most vague of ideas as to which pedal their foot might select at any given moment.

Left-foot braking is an extremely useful skill to learn, but that's really not what it's for.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Crankit posted:

All this talking about left foot on the brake in the automatic causes me to have flashbacks to every time I've hired an automatic car and as I'm waiting at a stop I think "And now to practice my launches"

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Vindolanda posted:

Some bastard in a Ka was tailgating me, being really aggressive, swinging side-to-side trying to get by, honking the horn, dropping back and zooming up to me a few days ago, because I was going at 20 in a 20 (school) zone. Which was crowded with kids. Who were constantly running back and forth across the street. I also don't understand how someone thinks they can intimidate somebody on the road if I'm in a huge-rear end Land Rover covered in mud and dents and they're in a tiny Ka.
Please tell me it opened up to a 60 on a country road, they nipped past, and you spent the next five miles bullying them incessantly to go faster.


Colonel Sanders posted:

:razz: There is no speed limit in the parking lot I can go as fast I want! *drives 90MPH*

Colonel Sanders posted:

JC Penny parking lot
Maybe he's being chased by irate Libyans in a VW Kombi, who just shot his friend for selling them a fake nuclear weapon, and are now trying to kill kim with a rocket launcher.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Ok, so we have a consensus yet?

Yes:


No:


No, but points for :wtc::


Vindolanda posted:

It went to 30, he overtook me (dangerously), then went to 60 on a country road and he shot up to...40. so I overtook (safely) and left.
That is actually a better result than I expected.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

CharlesM posted:

Great news! If he gets a new Toyota he can't do that anymore. Hitting the brake will instantly kill the throttle.
Lots of modern cars with DBW do this. Cunts.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Terrible Robot posted:

I was on the highway earlier, going the speed limit because it was foggy and raining. Started gaining on an early '00s Galant with a burned out headlight, moved over to pass, and suddenly they start pulling ahead. Fine, I'm in no hurry, so I move back over and almost immediately start gaining on them again. Move over to pass again, they speed up again, rinse/repeat. I know this game, it's my least favorite rear end in a top hat driver move because it is so deliberate. So I drop the hammer to get far away from them, the only solution I have found that works. They kept up to about 85mph before giving up, and once I had returned to the speed limit I never saw them again.
People do this are trying to get your attention, to alert you that you have a problem with your high beams, front fogs, or throttle response, so perhaps immediately testing those would be a good idea. You know, for safety.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

xzzy posted:

Automakers literally have no idea how to make a useful user interface.
I think they probably can, but the shiny tech factor sells cars. Simple, chunky knobs and buttons which you can use blind by muscle memory are perfect for an automorive environment, but then people won't buy your car because it looks Fisher-Price rather than iPad to their eyes.

Full-LCD dash clusters that can be customised in appearance give generic car buyers a raging hardon, when what's best for driving are clear, simple gauges. If I have revs, speed, fuel and whatever "do my engine be hosed?" data can be clearly communicated, everything else can go in a centre console or binnacle display etc.

HUDs always struck me as being a very good idea, though.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Ughhhh, had one of those "overtake in the 40 limit then not open it up properly on the fast bits" people tonight, Polo TDi. Luckily they turned off after a few miles. The thing is, they were behind me through several village -> open road -> village transitions, so they most definitely had seen me bugger off as soon as I was back in the higher limit, what on earth made them think that being behind me was going to ruin their point-to-point speed? Drive slow on slow bits and drive fast on fast bits you twats.

And then the usual case of people ignoring road markings and drifting sideways into my lane on a large roundabout. At least they gave off the "dozy bastard" aura enough that I was already giving myself some distance from them.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

a primate posted:

Does anyone live somewhere where you get ticketed for hogging the left lane? This place exists in my dreams and I can pass whenever I want, it's glorious :allears:
I live where you can technically be ticketed for hogging the outside lane, are specifically permitted to pass said people on the inside if that's how the flow of traffic makes things work, but where you will in reality be booked for undertaking people because that is totally not the same thing. :jerkbag:

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
I like the Astro. "Ah well." *drives back onto road and leaves*

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
The Clio has (or had new) 60bhp, but it'll go faster than most people drive if you keep it on the boil.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Well, you should probably indicate for 3-4 seconds before maneouvering, so if a city block is a few hundred feet, the take-home message is that 50-70mph is a sensible speed for a built up area.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
If you put an Italian in something with 500bhp that's limited to 56mph it's not surprising if they get a bit arsey.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Torn Quad Jones posted:

now all I want to see is an Italian tune up of a lorry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t2e3PHKmfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t2e3PHKmfc

:black101:

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Didn't they find having most or all cars permanently lit had a negative effect on the visibility of other road users like motorcyclists? Or was that just someone with an axe to grind making stuff up?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
The correct attitude to other people's children is that of a particularly irritable Pak Protector.

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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

IOwnCalculus posted:

I think what some people are missing is that there's a big difference in "residential" streets depending on where you're at (and even neighborhood-to-neighborhood). In metro Phoenix, older neighborhoods will have 25MPH limits and the narrowest streets will still support this safely. Some of the wider streets will still be posted 25 but realistically 30 isn't going to have you mowing people down.

On the other hand new(er) developments where they're cramming as many homes into as little area as possible, often are using streets that would've been considered too small for two lanes in the past. They'll be signed 15MPH and no sane person would feel comfortable exceeding that by any significant amount, especially if there's any cars parked on it.

Then you get the midwest - the parts of Indianapolis and Kansas City that I've been through have roads that act the part of arterials, even though you're surrounded by houses and even have some residential driveways on them. They're usually signed for faster than 25, though.
See also my favourite subset of this (as evidenced on my own street): Small side street that should really be a 20? 30 limit, generally unenforced. Main road running parallel which could be a 40 (and was specifically designed to be expandable to a dual carriageway if required)? 30 limit, smile for the camera van.

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