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I believe that Oswald was the lone gunman, but if it turned out that there was more stuff going on there than has come to light, I wouldn't be surprised.
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CountFosco posted:I believe that Oswald was the lone gunman, but if it turned out that there was more stuff going on there than has come to light, I wouldn't be surprised. that's a fine attitude to have it's just that literally all the evidence points to him acting alone.
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It is kind of amazing that Conservative Politics is pretty much nothing but conspiracy theories. Maybe at some points they had reasons for their believes that were based on legitimate political theory, but now its all nothing but nebulous others trying to destroy America, from immigrants and Jihadists to DEEP STATE FAKE NEWS!
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twistedmentat posted:It is kind of amazing that Conservative Politics is pretty much nothing but conspiracy theories. Maybe at some points they had reasons for their believes that were based on legitimate political theory, but now its all nothing but nebulous others trying to destroy America, from immigrants and Jihadists to DEEP STATE FAKE NEWS! conservative political philosophy is just dressed up radical centrism, the main difference that the conservatives say "hey the Family is sacred and lots of bad things (capitalism) are happening to it I think it is the gays and the blacks and the poors" whereas the liberal wing of the radical centrist party goes "things might suck for you but trust me they're really good for these few guys over here and look things aren't as bad as before...and you don't want those spooky republicans in charge right? TINA! TINA! TiNA! both parties want to head straight into oblivion, it is just a matter of who is manning the ship and who gets to stay on board when it crashes it certainly doesn't help that the holy trinity of Hayek, Friedman, and Von Mises were third-rate pedants, or that conservatives misunderstand and abuse Locke and Smith (though they deserve to be abused but they don't do it for the right reasons) on the regular KaptainKrunk fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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chitoryu12 posted:Seriously, just ignore SSB. They're either a troll or an actual lunatic conspiracy theorist that pops up from time to time. he has a long well documented history of opiate abuse in TCC, which explains everything really
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CountFosco posted:I believe that Oswald was the lone gunman, but if it turned out that there was more stuff going on there than has come to light, I wouldn't be surprised. That's the difference between a skeptic and a conspiracy theorist; as a skeptic you accept that new evidence can come to light to change the strongest evidence-based conclusion, whereas a conspiracy theorist cherry-picks data (and a litany of other bizarre things that can't be characterized as data) to fit an alternative conclusion
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God has punished Brian Tamaki for his anti gay stance https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/rubbish-fire-leaves-tamaki-with-serious-burns/ar-AAwcT3j?ocid=spartanntp 'bout time. Ninja edit: Completely the wrong thread. Nothing to see here. Move along (OBEY) 504 fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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Anti-Citizen posted:Bell was softer then other consipracy junk before OKC, but William Peirce who wrote the Turner Diaries was a regular guest. That got brought up on Last Podcast on the Left but I didn't want to look into it because I'm sure it would take me to some places I didn't want to go or want on my browsing history. Also, Wikipedia posted:On May 24, 1996, Bell interviewed William Luther Pierce, author of The Turner Diaries,[20] in which Pierce—writing under the pseudonym "Andrew Macdonald"—depicted a race war leading to the extermination of Jews, non-whites and gay people. Pierce denounced interracial marriage, calling white people who married non-whites "traitors to the white race"—apparently unaware that Bell himself was in an interracial marriage, as his then-wife, Ramona Bell, was an Asian-American of Filipino descent (after Ramona's death, his subsequent wife Airyn would also be Filipino). He'd have a lot of people on too, like John Lear, who would carry on about how the government sold out America to the grays. Linda Moulton Howe on the verge of crying over cattle mutilation is one thing but a guy talking about the government murder-raping your family with some aliens is probably going to set some people over the edge. OKC was definitely pushed and helped along by the white supremacist underground but these people aren't really helping. Ken Hite, a game designer and author, does a podcast where he talks about game design and talks about the paranormal a fair deal. He's a skeptic and researches it for work, personal interest, and he pointed out that most UFO culture stuff has nine degrees of separation to William Dudley Pelley. For those who aren't familiar, he was the leader of the fascist Silver Legion of America and fell into obscurity. Pelley, who was "washed up" after WWII, was really big into theosophy before the war and after the war was one of the first writers on UFO's. The whole Nordic alien thing leads back to him a fair deal of the time and the whole, enlightened masters saving mankind alien is pretty much scifi theosophy. Theosophy is generally racist too, unless these associations weren't exactly hinting at it.
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boner confessor posted:he has a long well documented history of opiate abuse in TCC, which explains everything really actually it was benzo abuse, get it straight
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:The whole Nordic alien thing leads back to him a fair deal of the time and the whole, enlightened masters saving mankind alien is pretty much scifi theosophy. Theosophy is generally racist too, unless these associations weren't exactly hinting at it. Jeb Card goes way, way into it in a pair of ArchyFantasies podcasts. (He became a host of this show later. Also, these earlier episodes are um ... definitely, definitely early episodes. Still, Jeb is a great speaker. I could listen to him lecture about this stuff for hours.) https://www.archaeologypodcastnetwork.com/archyfantasies/10 and https://www.archaeologypodcastnetwork.com/archyfantasies/12 e: He also definitely sides with the "Yo, conspiracy theories have always had an undercurrent of racism and xenophobia" side of things. dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:actually it was benzo abuse, get it straight This is a pretty clear cut Mandela Effect
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dwarf74 posted:Theosophy is basically the root for a whole ton of modern mysticism, pseudo-history, ancient aliens, and conspiracy theories. I started listening to this podcast because I love Ken Faders appearances on Monstertalk, but holy poo poo there wer e a lot of episodes that were little more than "they didn't hire an archeologists and i'm mad" and not examinations of the claims and why they were full of poo poo. I wanted it to be more like the other skeptical podcasts I listen to. It felt like a podcast made specifically for professionals and not for someone like me who's interested in fringe topics, but also why they are wrong. I'm currently listening to Monstertalks episodes about Theosophy that are leading to a episode about Crowley. And yes, Conspiracy theories are always bigoted in someway. I mean how many are just "its the jews" at their core?
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twistedmentat posted:
Ehhhhhhh I mean that's more that once someone builds a conspiracy framework, it's easy for the usual gang of jewhaters to waltz in and toss "and this was done by the jews!!!!" into the middle of it.
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twistedmentat posted:I started listening to this podcast because I love Ken Faders appearances on Monstertalk, but holy poo poo there wer e a lot of episodes that were little more than "they didn't hire an archeologists and i'm mad" and not examinations of the claims and why they were full of poo poo. I wanted it to be more like the other skeptical podcasts I listen to. It felt like a podcast made specifically for professionals and not for someone like me who's interested in fringe topics, but also why they are wrong. This pair of episodes - and the Jason Colavito one - are some of the better ones.
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fishmech posted:Ehhhhhhh I mean that's more that once someone builds a conspiracy framework, it's easy for the usual gang of jewhaters to waltz in and toss "and this was done by the jews!!!!" into the middle of it. Milton William Cooper posted:This is an exact reprint of the original text. This has been written intentionally to deceive people. For clear understanding, the word "Zion" should be "Sion"; any reference to "Jews" should be replaced with the word "Illuminati"; and the word "goyim" should be replaced with the word "cattle."
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Illuminti posted:This is a pretty clear cut Mandela Effect I think you’ll find it’s spelled Mandala.
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:actually it was benzo abuse, get it straight It was joose abuse, get it straight
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:It's very very easy to incorporate Jewish conspiracy themes into new conspiracy theories without meaning to or without even realizing it, because the idea of an ages-spanning conspiracy being laid out through careful research is catnip to most conpsiracy theorists even if they don't agree with the identity of the perpetrator. There's been enough antisemitic conspiracy literature published throughout history that they think there must be something in there even if it's nothing to do with the Jews. So you get poo poo like Bill Cooper including the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as an appendix in Behold a Pale Horse because that poo poo is dynamite as long as you search/replace all the Jew references. I really want to give Bill Cooper credit because he was trying to subvert anti-semitism in the conspiracy community. Given the Protocols place in history, especially among the esoteric types, it's extremely hard to just dismiss it outright; even if it is completely fraudulent (it is), you still need to address how and why it became so influential. "Proving" that the manuscript was published to make Jewish people the scapegoat for the illuminati's plan and prevent any cohesive opposition from being formed does that pretty well.
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Groovelord Neato posted:that's a fine attitude to have it's just that literally all the evidence points to him acting alone. The thing I have heard that makes sense but has no backing was that a secret service officer either tripped or had his gun go off after hitting a bump ALSO hitting Kennedy and that's why the government has classified a bunch of stuff so that family didn't have to suffer the humiliation and scorn of accidentally killing the President.
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Mooseontheloose posted:The thing I have heard that makes sense but has no backing was that a secret service officer either tripped or had his go off after hitting a bump ALSO hitting Kennedy and that's why the government has classified a bunch of stuff so that family didn't have to suffer the humiliation and scorn of accidentally killing the President. It makes no sense. The president is accidentally hit so what, the shady government conspirators managed to get a hold of a rifle and ammo, plant them on the sixth floor, convince scores of witnesses to lie and say that they heard the shots come from the TSD, another that he saw the rifle being pulled back in through the window, and on and on. That would be one hell of a logistical feat to pull off in literally minutes. That's not even counting the mountain of evidence tying Oswald to the shooting, including his possession of the rifle found on the sixth floor. It also doesn't explain Kennedy or Connolly's multiple wounds
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:It makes no sense. The president is accidentally hit so what, the shady government conspirators managed to get a hold of a rifle and ammo, plant them on the sixth floor, convince scores of witnesses to lie and say that they heard the shots come from the TSD, another that he saw the rifle being pulled back in through the window, and on and on. That would be one hell of a logistical feat to pull off in literally minutes. That's not even counting the mountain of evidence tying Oswald to the shooting, including his possession of the rifle found on the sixth floor. Now, now, it's nothing that crazy. They're just saying this coincidentally happened at the same instant Oswald shot Kennedy. I think. 
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:It makes no sense. The president is accidentally hit so what, the shady government conspirators managed to get a hold of a rifle and ammo, plant them on the sixth floor, convince scores of witnesses to lie and say that they heard the shots come from the TSD, another that he saw the rifle being pulled back in through the window, and on and on. That would be one hell of a logistical feat to pull off in literally minutes. That's not even counting the mountain of evidence tying Oswald to the shooting, including his possession of the rifle found on the sixth floor. No, he's saying (I think) that Oswald was there and tried to kill the President, but the Secret Service agent was the one who actually, accidentally, fired the kill shot. So they blamed the unsuccessful assassin to spare the accidental killer. E: F,B. Also, I just want to clarify that I too think this is BS, just not quite the level of BS you first thought. Jethro fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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Polygynous posted:Now, now, it's nothing that crazy. They're just saying this coincidentally happened at the same instant Oswald shot Kennedy. I think. Ohhh, ok, yeah, that works.
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Jethro posted:No, he's saying (I think) that Oswald was there and tried to kill the President, but the Secret Service agent was the one who actually, accidentally, fired the kill shot. So they blamed the unsuccessful assassin to spare the accidental killer. I should say that this theory is that Oswald did hit Kenendy and Connoley but the one that blew open Kennedy's head was an accidental misfire from a secret service agent.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I should say that this theory is that Oswald did hit Kenendy and Connoley but the one that blew open Kennedy's head was an accidental misfire from a secret service agent. Despite, you know, video evidence not showing anyone with a gun in their hand firing at Kennedy.
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Of course not, the Secret Service uses guns forged from the metal reclaimed from Roswell, which are invisible on film or photograph. This is why you can never get good pictures of UFOs, they're made of special materials so the best you can do is capture the blurrry ambient light and shadow they may create!!
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chitoryu12 posted:Despite, you know, video evidence not showing anyone with a gun in their hand firing at Kennedy. I don't really believe it, I am just saying it was the only conspiracy that made sense to me.
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chitoryu12 posted:Despite, you know, video evidence not showing anyone with a gun in their hand firing at Kennedy. There was a Secret Service agent with an M-16 in the motorcade. So, while insanely stupid, it's not completely impossible. 
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You're discounting the possibility that the illuminati sniper who follows the president everywhere to ensure compliance might have misfired.
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kennedy and connally's wounds are only consistent with shots from the book depository.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I don't really believe it, I am just saying it was the only conspiracy that made sense to me. I think I get what you're saying. I think there's a difference between conspiracies that, if true, would mean that everything we think we know about how the world works is wrong, and the conspiracies that, if true, would be shocking but have no broader meaning. I don't really believe that the FBI invented Crack Cocaine and intentionally spread it throughout inner cities, but if declassified files came out tomorrow showing that it happened, it wouldn't really be out of character. If it turned out that one of the shots that hit JFK was accidental fire, it doesn't really change anything. It's reasonable that investigators might keep that secret with the consent of congress to keep the accidental shooter from getting lynched. That's the beginning and end of the conspiracy, not a chain of bigger and more shocking revelations.
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Not sure about the intentionally getting inner cities hooked on crack, but isn't it verified that the CIA spent decades smuggling cocaine into American, as late as a decade ago? Propping up puppets in Haiti and South American countries as narco-states for their purposes in the 80s and 90s.
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Moose-Alini posted:Not sure about the intentionally getting inner cities hooked on crack, but isn't it verified that the CIA spent decades smuggling cocaine into American, as late as a decade ago? Propping up puppets in Haiti and South American countries as narco-states for their purposes in the 80s and 90s. It was one aspect of Iran-Contra, for one thing.
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OwlFancier posted:You're discounting the possibility that the illuminati sniper who follows the president everywhere to ensure compliance might have misfired. In 127 years serving on that job I can assure you that my gun has never misfired.
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QuarkJets posted:In 127 years serving on that job I can assure you that my gun has never misfired. It's only been 15 months!
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:It's very very easy to incorporate Jewish conspiracy themes into new conspiracy theories without meaning to or without even realizing it, because the idea of an ages-spanning conspiracy being laid out through careful research is catnip to most conpsiracy theorists even if they don't agree with the identity of the perpetrator. There's been enough antisemitic conspiracy literature published throughout history that they think there must be something in there even if it's nothing to do with the Jews. So you get poo poo like Bill Cooper including the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as an appendix in Behold a Pale Horse because that poo poo is dynamite as long as you search/replace all the Jew references. The Protocols were straight up copied from two books, which I think are a Dialog in Hell and something called Berrlitz I think. Both are bog standard jews are in league with the devil and seek to destroy Christian nations. Almost all modern conspiracies spawn from it, or Morning of the Magicians, which was from some guy who thought HP Lovecraft was writing true stories, not products of his racist fears of the nebulous unknown. Even if people are unaware of the Anti-Semetic origins of conspiracies, they will still use the same ideas. The whole Rothschild and Bilderberg conspiracies are great examples of it. You get people who would never think of Jews being the secret masters of the world, just these groups of bankers and other money men get together and rule the world secretly. Also, you know where the idea Jews are greedy and control all the money? Because Jews were banned from most work in Europe and Christians couldn't charge interest on loans, so Jews became moneylenders and eventually bankers. So the whole thing comes from Christians persecuting Jews. Like loving hell.
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:It's only been 15 months! The position isn't reassigned to a new guy for each new president The only time that I've been off-assignment during the Obama years; he was a deep-cover high-ranking Illuminati agent so we didn't have to worry about him disobeying orders.
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twistedmentat posted:The Protocols were straight up copied from two books, which I think are a Dialog in Hell and something called Berrlitz I think. Both are bog standard jews are in league with the devil and seek to destroy Christian nations. Almost all modern conspiracies spawn from it, or Morning of the Magicians, which was from some guy who thought HP Lovecraft was writing true stories, not products of his racist fears of the nebulous unknown. Even if people are unaware of the Anti-Semetic origins of conspiracies, they will still use the same ideas. The whole Rothschild and Bilderberg conspiracies are great examples of it. You get people who would never think of Jews being the secret masters of the world, just these groups of bankers and other money men get together and rule the world secretly. The worst part about it is that this is basically true
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Unfortunately basically all anticapitalist criticism becomes antisemtiic if you say it while waggling your eyebrows suggestively. It's difficult to put rhetorical distance between the two.
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