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Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

Lord Krangdar posted:

Does anyone know an example of a widespread conspiracy theory from before the advent of mass media (say, before the printing press was invented)? Would the story of Nero burning Rome count?

Every religion?

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Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

McDowell posted:

As for building seven - I'm still waiting for someone to provide some damage pictures. Maybe it was clear the building was damaged beyond repair so they set off a self-destruct system put in place by the Secretive agencies with offices there. To quote Hillary 'What difference does it make?'


Image of debris crashing into WTC 7 at 1:00, images of fires raging within at 1:04 and 1:25, and excellent visual evidence at 2:00 that would be totally inconsistent with a controlled demolition.

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

Main Paineframe posted:

Well, MKULTRA is a pretty good example of why I'm worried about dismissing conspiracy theories out of hand: there was no evidence or primary sources on MKULTRA until it was revealed by the government. In 1973, claiming that the government was giving people LSD and other drugs as part of mind control experiments would have been insane crazyland conspiracy theory stuff...despite the fact that, at the time, MKULTRA was being brought to a close after twenty years of experiments and the CIA was busily destroying all records of its existence. The only reason we know about it at all is was because some of the records had been misfiled and thus survived the attempt to shred everything; thanks to the fact that most of the evidence was destroyed, though, it's hard to confidently say "so and so never happened in MKULTRA". It's a goldmine for ridiculous conspiracy theories, yes, but it's kind of hard to blame the conspiracy theorists - given the deliberate destruction of evidence and the highly illegal nature of the experiments, it's a goldmine for crazy anti-government speculation.

That doesn't just go for American conspiracy theories, either. The "NGO doctors giving free vaccinations are actually American spies giving fake vaccines" conspiracy theory seen in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan, for example, got a huge boost when the CIA actually did employ a doctor to do just that when during the search for bin Laden. That doesn't mean that any other doctors in the area are working with the CIA, but can it be completely ruled out? The line between conspiracy and reality isn't always as clear as one would like.

The thing is, if you had dismissed that conspiracy theory in 1973, you would likely still be in the right, because the conspiracy isn't just that something is happening, it's a whole narrative with implied future consequences and a call to action. Nobody is going to say "They're trying to control our minds, but it won't work and they'll give up," they'll say "It's time for a revolution!" That's the part that's worth dismissing, and what separates theories from conspiracy theories.

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