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Nov 18, 2010

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Skellybones posted:

Did he actually do any carpentry or was that just another fabrication to make him seem more folksy and down to earth?

There's usually not direct evidence, but more evidence that's kind of weird if you're just making up a story wholesale.

Like for example, the whole story about him and his family fleeing after the king wants to kill all the sons born in a certain time period. We know for a fact that this event didn't happen. You might then be asking "well, doesn't this prove Jesus didn't exist?" Instead, it shows the opposite.

You see, one of the Jewish prophecies about the Messiah is that he's from Bethlehem, the city of David (a pretty important city for Israel). Yet in all of the narratives, Jesus is always called "Jesus of Nazareth"; Nazareth is kind of a middle of nowhere town. It'd be like predicting the Chosen One being born in San Francisco but instead they're from Spokane, Washington. If you're making up a story wholesale, it's a lot easier to just say "Yeah Jesus was from Bethlehem, no big deal", but instead he was technically born in Bethlehem but had to flee due to an imaginary event and then later relocated to this middle of nowhere town.

That sort of evidence shows that Jesus was a real person, and scholars were trying to have his background make sense with existing Jewish prophecy about the Messiah. Once you take it as granted that Jesus was real, it's decent enough to imagine that he had a common job (carpentry) and probably preached a bit.

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Nov 18, 2010

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blowfish posted:

Unlike random superstitious people, religious organisations are, well, organised and therefore more effective at making people believe dumb things, or so the argument goes. But it's not like homeopaths, goonspiracy theorists, and other assorted magical thinkers don't get called out for being stupid anyway.

Most religions aren't organized. Like, the non-Catholic parts of Christianity are about as well organized as the people who believe in organic produce. Ditto for Sunni Islam.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Tias posted:

Yeah, in a perfect world that would be a solved problem, but we somehow can't stop plants loving it up.

Apparently France is a perfect world.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Tias posted:

The world is not a perfect world. One meltdown is one too many, and yet they keep coming.

You'll have to fill me in about all the meltdowns France is having.

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Nov 18, 2010

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ratbert90 posted:

So why would it be a bad thing to have 250% next to the sugar of a bottle of orange juice?

Because it's as arbitrary as saying 25%.

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Nov 18, 2010

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ratbert90 posted:

Are you saying that 26g of sugar is only 9% of your daily value of sugar? Are you seriously saying that is somehow less arbitrary than labeling it in accordance to the WHO or AHA? Perhaps in the 200+ years of nutritional science they could have come up with a agrees upon number you would think?

What he's saying is that sugar is nutritionally identical to other carbs. You can have 288 grams of sugar in a day, but that's all the carbohydrates you can have.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Transportation and logistics were almost as massive of a shift as the development of products themselves. The Shipping Container alone did amazing things.

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Nov 18, 2010

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2qjohv/what_did_your_parents_show_you_to_do_that_you/cn6pn30?context=3

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Oh God here goes.
Well firstly they say that the actual 'place of Finland' is just Eastern Sweden. Helsinki is in Eastern Sweden and when people fly there it's not like they would notice.
World maps are altered as it's a U.N conspiracy to keep people believing in Finland. And the idea that an entire country is made up seems so bizarre that nobody would ever believe it, making it easy to do.
Finland's main company, Nokia, is apparently owned by the Japanese and they're a main player in this.
Now as for 'why' people would want to invent Finland as a country that's a bit more in depth and there's a few reasons as to why Sweden and Russia go along with it but it's mostly to do with Japanese fishing rights.
You see the Japanese love their sushi but tight fishing regulations and public outcry mean they can't fish as much as they want. So after the Cold War they agreed with Russia to create a 'landmass' called Finland where they could fish. After all, if people thought there was a country there nobody would expect the Japanese to be harpooning whales would they?
The fish is then transported through Russia where a small percentage of the food is given to the population, (they were of course starving at the time of Finland being invented), and then is shipped to Japan under the disguise of 'Nokia' products. Japan is apparently one of the worlds largest importers of Nokia products despite the fact that 'nobody there owns a Nokia phone' apparently.
The crux of all this however, and my favourite part, is the homage that the Japanese gave to this entire conspiracy theory.
What do fish have? Fins. Therefore they named their imaginary country Finland.
There are loads more that they go on about but I can't remember it all at the moment.

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Nov 18, 2010

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The idea you choose to follow a given religion is generally ridiculous.

I doubt there's a single person here that looked at Islam, genuinely had the idea to convert, weighed the costs and benefits, and decided not to. Nor do I expect 99% of Muslims to do the same thing (but decide to follow that faith).

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Nov 18, 2010

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Quift posted:

Given that one of the main benefits of conversion to Islam was lower taxes I would argue that hundreds of millions of people have looked at Islam, weighed the cost/benefits of conversion and then reach a decision to either convert or not.

Muslims in Muslim-majority countries paid a separate tax and were required (among other things) to be drafted into the armies. So no, it wasn't a get rich quick scheme.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Baka-nin posted:

Huh so Jones is backing Trump. Given how toxic they both are it shouldn't be surprising, but it just goes to show that Jones is probably in this purely for the money. This an age old problem with conspiracy theorists, if the conspiracy is as powerful and ruthless as is often claimed, then how could they possibly be threatened by a public political campaign? Either they would of gotten their hooks into the candidate somehow or got rid of them.

And isn't Trump a millionaire from New York with decades of links and connections to "the elite" basically making the Donald the most likely member of the conspiracy? Sure he's not going to be as hated as the Clin-Ton but come on, he's even been praising Russia. But then again a lot of the right wing conspiracy types have changed their minds about Russia being key to the New World Order after Putin proved he was a right wing Conservative power house. Which again should only highlight how weak and non existent this globalist conspiracy to do something really bad is.

Alex Jones was literally being paid by Russia Today so I'm going to guess that's not too much of a deal breaker for him.

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Nov 18, 2010

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RagnarokAngel posted:

http://www.snopes.com/movies/films/ozsuicide.asp

Basically since the dawn of home video and people's ability to rewatch the movie allows for noticing weird stuff.

Not even watching, "Balrog Wings" was a thing in literary circles for decades.

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