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Mr. Funny Pants posted:I love this one. Anyone who says that has obviously never seen a controlled demolition or thinks that the presence of dust clouds and a collapsing building are the only similarities you need to get a match. They also don't involve the building warping itself into a curved shape before it really starts falling. Seriously, 7 starting to fall does not look like demolition at all.
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:It's worse than that, even. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is mostly engineers: http://www.ae911truth.org/signatures/ae.html What fraction are things like software engineers or the like? Computing fields are great for getting people like engineers and or science professors who have no clue about the basic knowledge of other scientists/engineers.
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Sep 16, 2015 13:26
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Shbobdb posted:Chinese Neo-Legalist CTs (they are some real hardcore bad people, btw) I'd love to hear more.
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Sep 27, 2015 07:23
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The Egyptians also had a real love of attempting, and failing, to erase entire eras of their history. There is evidence of later rulers deciding that previous rulers were shits and trying to erase them only to end up doing a rather poor job of it. I figure it has something to do with their love of hiding poo poo all over the desert. There's also the other side of things, which is that we know what things were actually like, and that for all the difficulty of removing history, making a new consistent one out of whole cloth is vastly harder and doesn't seem to be a thing people actually tried.
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Nov 23, 2015 18:57
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Tias posted:The world is not a perfect world. One meltdown is one too many, and yet they keep coming. By that standard, one day of coal power is too many.
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Nov 27, 2015 21:45
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fishmech posted:Or you know, how the vast majority of Chernobyl related deaths are because the Soviets didn't tell the people they sent to the accident site what the gently caress was going on, nor give them protection. I'm pretty sure there's much cheaper ways to get rid of people in the USSR.
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Nov 28, 2015 04:59
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C.M. Kruger posted:Something similar recently showed up, but the variation was that the nearby Duga over the horizon radar antenna (aka the Russian Woodpecker or Brain Scorcher) was faulty so the Soviet government and the radar designer engineered the Chernobyl disaster so nobody would find out. Never mind that the second radar site they built on the other side of Russia was used until the Soviet Union collapsed. Man it'd be embarrassing if we made something faulty that caused health problems, let's cover it up by showing that something we made is incredibly flawed and have it cause huge problems!
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Nov 28, 2015 05:14
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God. I blame that on the technical inexpertise to jam those pictures together and think it's not murdering detail. The first two faces are visibly probably ten years apart as well.
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e_angst posted:This would be hilarious, but kinda plays perfectly into the "I am a nice guy, I deserve a sex-cookie" mentality. Gotta advertise it to them, then spend the entire time brutally breaking that mentality.
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Jan 13, 2016 23:36
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The Larch posted:For the record, guns didn't have much to do with the decline of medieval armor. By the time that firearms that could actually maybe penetrate plate were invented, body armor beyond a breastplate was all but dead. The decline of armor had more to do with cost than anything else. Plate armor takes forever to make, and it has to be custom made. Guns do have to do with the decline of early modern harnesses just by pushing them to become more and more heavy and expensive. Even then, it's a lot less hard and fast, there's some mentions of harnesses where the cuirass is proof to even full on muskets, while the helmet is only really proof against pistols. There's also the massive category and proliferation of munition armor, which was churned out en masse by proto factories, and didn't have niceties such as steel, let alone proper heat treatment (popular starting around 1500) or fitting, but were used in huge numbers by infantry. It's really important to remember that the early modern period wasn't the medieval and there's reasons for what it's called, it's a real transition period and some things like state arsenals (the Venitian one is a highlight) are pretty impressive proto factories. Armor is heavy though, and the more things can punch through it the less worthwhile it is, and both cheap but less protective and expensive and more protective armors fell behind on being worth the cost, although cuirassiers with actual armor could be really nasty in the right situation for a long while.
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Jan 18, 2016 16:51
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i dont own a smartphone Amish denialism is a new one.
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Jan 22, 2016 23:40
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I like how by 2015 or so we've achieved the dystopia the 1980s thought we'd take a few more decades to reach.
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Jan 23, 2016 00:17
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Series DD Funding posted:By your definition pretty much the whole world has been a dystopia forever Number one on the list of non-contentious assertions.
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Jan 23, 2016 02:39
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Blue Footed Booby posted:If the world has always been a dystopia then the word is useless in the same way as Austrian economist's idea of "rational." It's just masturbation, dick waving over who can be the most pessimistic and who can most venomously condemn all human endeavor. I see it as a coping strategy on exactly the same vein as the conspiracy bullshit this thread is supposed to be about. Concluding that things are hosed will always be hosed and have always been hosed assuages fear of the unknown, grants one Enlightened status justifying smug superiority over the regular sheeple, and conveniently removes any responsibility to try to actually fix anything. That's kind of entirely backwards. Saying that the past and now are really terrible is also saying they aren't necessarily the default state of affairs and therefore there's a bunch of room for better is pointedly not saying oh hey poo poo's hosed forever guess I'll give up and be smug. I mean yeah, it's not nearly as dystopic now, it's that we've gotten some of the nifty characteristics of prior periods' literature and they're just treated as everyday things. We've got megacorps and massive invasive surveillance and other things that used to be the foundation of dystopia literature. That's what I was trying to get at, not necessarily that woo everything's gotten worse or anything.
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Jan 23, 2016 05:37
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Helsing posted:The most consequential changes in London happened in the second half of the 19th century. The design of housing, neighborhoods and streets were altered so that conditions would be less conducive toward pests like rodents or the spread of deadly diseases. Meanwhile motor vehicles began to replace animals as the main source of transportation, with the first trams and buses starting up right around the turn of the century. There's also the point that historically post-medieval Europe has been until relatively recently a low outlier in terms of hygiene.
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You're wrong, it's topic homeopathy  .
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Shbobdb posted:This is like the third time you've come back to this well, so clearly you are getting something out of it. Despite you, not because of you.
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Shbobdb posted:Sure, I'll gimmick around about some stupid 9/11 poo poo and lizard people but there is so much real out there to explore. People just freak out because I'm not pooping my pants crazy -- even when I'm trolling I've been called "surprisingly plausible". Congratulations on a surprisingly plausible impression of an actually mentally ill person?
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Mar 1, 2016 07:00
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Tias posted:I have a mild form of face blindness, and have to stick with peoples hair or jaws to identify them unless I know them well. I'd be easy pickings for the crisis actor thing if they weren't, you know, clearly insane. And also if they weren't so bad that jawlines and hair aren't going to stop them from saying two people look the same.
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Jun 14, 2016 13:29
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Tias posted:Truth with modification. Nearly all organized asatru in the US are nazi twats because of the Asatruar Folk Association, and it's happening some places in Europe too, but definitely not everywhere. Also, as a non-fascist heathen, I'd argue that a lot of these people are bacon-for-brains thrill seekers who need a spiritual excuse for being racists, because their ritual and mythology is sloppy at best. Are they actually supplanting other types or just highly visible loud people looking for beliefs they can claim are properly racist while the others remain?
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Jun 22, 2016 13:33
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blowfish posted:*furiously feeds events into all number systems from base 2 to base eleventy zillion to generate ~deeper patterns~* Don't forget adding and subtracting fudge factors that include most any number possible given arbitrary significance. Numerology is an amusing patterns game where you start with a conclusion and then randomly assemble significant numbers to get the conclusion. There's yet to be an unsolvable one yet! 
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Jul 10, 2016 19:24
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Prism posted:There's some significance, but it's more along the lines of 'you can probably expect a bunch of people born in 1947 to start dying soon because they're 69, and cancer is the leading listed cause of death in Canada' (and I assume the USA, but I'm Canadian so I get those statistics shoved in my face more often). Yep. It's walking up to the broad side of a barn that's been absolutely coated in arrows, and drawing a bullseye. There's going to be some shots that are accurate by the standards of the bullseye because there's no room to put the bullseye such that there aren't.
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Jul 10, 2016 23:00
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Don't you think it's a strange coincidence that given the giant amounts of things people run into contact with over the course of their entire lifetime we can find connections? No wait it's the law of large numbers. Also, if cryptanalysis worked the way numerology did they'd start with a ciphertext, pick a plaintext they wanted and then justify some insane encryption to go from one to the other.
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Jul 10, 2016 23:43
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Animal-Mother posted:As with many conspiracy theories, the perverse origin of numerology is antisemitism. The conspiracy nuts think that the Jews are up to something sneaky with their ancient Kabbalah, so they dive into this pseudo-mathematical nonsense to try and uncover the secret matzo recipes or whatever they think they'll find there. In fairness the bagel sandwich recipes are loving primo.
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Quift posted:So it's a bit like reading the news? Yes, cognitive biases are the prime driver when people try to use it to support their conclusions, good job! Normal functioning humans try to minimize those biases. NLJP posted:???? Reality has such a poo poo narrative arc, maaaan.
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Just for funsies let's approach it from the other side. Assume it's true that there's some hidden messages in the Bible. What are the likely consequences? First off, cyphertext is fragile. You can change wording and preserve meaning but you can't change it without breaking the cyphertext unless you take exceptional care. So if there was serious belief in that, you'd have people trying to preserve one true canonical version of the text. And yet, you have how many versions of the bible in how many languages? The only one that people seem to be super keen on calling the one true bible is the KJV, pretty much all the rest can be discarded as not fitting that criterion. Thing is, the KJV is around today and we know what people fight to preserve in it and it's almost always a tortured reading of things to justify their beliefs and never a coherent canonical numerological interpretation. So because cyphertext requires active effort to preserve it would require active conservation efforts, and that just isn't apparent in the historical record.
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Poldarn posted:I know three people diagnosed with ADHD that went on prescription medication that only enhanced their productivity. "Ritalin made my kids a zombie" people have no clue how ADHD brains work. Yeah. As someone who made an utter loving shitshow of college despite it not being at all past my abilities because of untreated ADD, I'm not sure how to react to it, because I loving wish we did a better job of it because maybe then I wouldn't have ground my teeth down in my sleep from stress and finished college early before the job market got totally hosed, but on the other hand gently caress that guy so hard for suggesting that it's better to spend all day fighting to do work rather than having time to be an actual human without it hanging over you and having to fight to get going without getting distracted long enough to get to the dining hall before it closes for the night before I had anything to eat.
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disjoe posted:I wasn't diagnosed with ADD, but I was recently prescribed a low dosage of adderall to help with my generalized anxiety and it has helped better than any of the (numerous) other drugs I have tried before. It no joke has basically changed my life. It's unfortunate there's so much information about those drugs because it can probably help a lot of people. My medication isn't actually Adderall because I already have serious issues sleeping and unlike popular wisdom it isn't just a matter of amphetamines or doing nothing, and I wish I'd known that sooner.
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Humans are biased therefore a manner of thinking designed to minimize error is totally indistinguishable from one that relies on that bias to function. loving unassailable logic right there. Pack it all up, hand in your computers, science and engineering don't work, a guy said it on the internet.
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Quift posted:I will just leave this here. I may be insane but you are obviously an idiot. So your idea for showing numerology works is to show you're able to look something up in a chart and free associate it with a popular aphorism? How many possible values would leave you unable to do so? To be evidence of your hypothesis, the prediction should be more unlikely than a sunrise.
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There's a huge difference between the planes of 1939 and 1945. The paradigm shift of early jets masks it a bit but compare prewar airlines to things like the constellation. Airplane engines made huge progress. Thing is that it's limited to the places where the war's needs and peacetime needs overlap. For example, the US made basically no progress in large scale rocketry during the war, while Germany made tons. That's the difference between the stuff that gets trotted out and the stuff that atrophies. Plus any sufficiently large engineering project will do the same, and rather than blowing people and factories up will instead put dudes on the moon or electricity in houses or similar. Quift posted:To clarify my own position before the hurling of insults continue. I'm not "into new Age" myself. I just like to read about stuff. You should read about the philosophy of science and the scientific method. It's cool stuff, and really an interesting problem. Actually same goes for how safety culture is created and maintained, building a reliable machine out of imperfect parts is very interesting. xthetenth fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jul 21, 2016 |
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McDowell posted:Universal Love is very irrational if you only see the world through the RAND/John Nash/Game Theory lens. This is illustrated in 'The Dark Knight' when the Joker places people on two ferries in a kind of Prisoner's Dilemma. Are you familiar with RD Laing? I too base my beliefs about how the world and people work on fiction.
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Quift posted:You are the one that claimed that it would be impossible for a government to invest it's RND into civilian projects. I think the word used was "Fantasy Land"? You were making a stronger claim, that you could get a 1:1 replacement of military spending with non-military spending.
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How many high rises are actually proof against high velocity large airliner impacts?
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fishmech posted:Most of them, and the WTC was too. Except they're designed against smaller planes flying into them on accident, and not very big ones rammed in with as much fuel as possible! Right, which is why the rhetorical question about that specific situation, since there's a pretty big difference in energy and fuel there. And I know about the Empire State Building, my grandfather worked there at the time.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:there's also a difference between an accidental impact, where you can presume the plane is traveling at just above stall speed as what happened to the empire state building during ww2, and a full throttle attack Pretty much, and the density is real important to avoiding the city just breaking down.
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McDowell posted:The death of Bonnie Nettles may be seeen as proof of 'BS' for skeptics, but it seems to me that Ti had to leave the vehicle to put all focus on activity in Next Level - keeping this world quite peaceful for Do and the class at the end of the century. The opening and closing of 'Heaven's Gate' occurs over decades. 1997 was the inflection point. How can you be sure about the timeframe of Heaven's Gate opening and closing when the only photographic evidence of it's dilation is goatse? You can't construct a trend line from one point.
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OwlFancier posted:Wait pizza = kiddy porn is a new thing? I thought it was an old chan euphemism? Like, years and years old? It's the assumption that people in Clinton's administration use the same euphemism as the chans that's new.
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Doesn't trolling rely on an asymmetrical expenditure of effort? By the time you type a novella, you aren't the troll anymore.
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Our evidence being laughable is only evidence that it's correct!
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