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Yea, the Pentagon theories are pretty horrible because it always uses the same cherry picked and cropped photos to support their point. I mean, trutherism is pretty much anomaly hunting at its core. 50 million pictures and frames of video, and of course some weird things are going to show up, especially to those who are looking for said weird things. I once saw a thing on Discovery where they brought in a bunch of truthers, and showed them experiments that proved that jet fuel could weaken steel to a point where it could no longer support any weight and that thermite isn't the magic anti-metal they pretended it is. One of the truthers straight up said "that doesn't disprove my theory". I do love the thermite theory, because its what I call "answer for everything". Explosives would take a lot, and it would be impossible to wire a building the size of one of WTC towers, let alone two, and the crew would have to be huge. Okay so it was termite, a material that melts metal very quickly. Oh that wouldn't even do it? It's microthermite then. Oh you say there isn't enough Microthermite in existence? Well of course they'd say that, that's just what the Lizard Illuminati wants you to think. There was a good book I read about Truthers and the headspace they and other conspiracy nuts are in called Among the Truthers. There is a strange part where the arthur gets weird and starts talking about how Obama is raising taxes on everything more than any other time in history and how the Tea Party is standing up for real Americans, but then the next chapter he realized that conspiracy thinking is so prevalent that he was sucked into stuff about Obama, and the Tea Party was nothing but a bunch of old racists who didn't want their taxes going to brown people. He also talked about attending a few rallies and how often people were not just birthers, but also truthers and those that belived in Ick and other stuff. He also made a point of how many rascals there were, and how the entire front part of the seating area was empty, as it was rascal space.
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ChaseSP posted:What about truthers claiming that there was evidence of molten metal in the towers, is there anything at all that actually suggested there was molten metal? Aluminum melts at a very low temprature in comparison to steel, and there was a shitton of aluminum in the WTC. Not just in the structure, but things made out of aluminum. It's just that saying "there was pooled of melted metal at ground zero" was turned into molten metal = molten steel by the truthers.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think the thermite theory is used because it fits 'neatly' with the debris. I mean, OF COURSE there'd be a lot of iron oxide at the site of a collapsed skyscraper. It kind of illustrates their methodology; they go in with the idea that the WTC was brought down by another means than the "offical story", so they go in looking for things that contradict it. While the offical story is done the opposite, they look at the evidence and make a decision based on said evidence.
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Deep Thought posted:False-flag attacks and secretive agendas (whether within the CIA, the KGB or even a supra-national entity like 'the West') do happen. With that in mind it's not surprising that people who've accepted this will try to make up the difference between what they are told is happening and what they fear is happening. It's just too bad that almost all of the 'subversive' literature on the subject has been an outlandish mix of Ufology, Christian Millennialism and New Age spirituality - which is where all the craziness comes from. Thing is, False Flag attacks that are verified as that are not on the scale of "guy shoots a bunch of kids to get gun control enacted" but more just making up poo poo up that never happened. The Gulf of Tonkin is the best example, as there is no primary evidence it actually occured. It's like MK Ultra. Yes it happened, but it was rather wacky, and mostly resulted in giving people LSD without their knowlage, and not really resulted in any actual mind control techniques. US Goverment did a bunch of other illegal poo poo like spraying microbes into SF to see what happened, and similar things on the NYC subway (i think). But again that is a long, long way from FEMA death camps, 9/11 inside jobness, UN Controlled Russian tank in salt mines ready to take American's guns and so on. Why are they different? Well, for one thing there is evidence, solid, primary sources about this stuff.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Questioning is fine. Questioning is good, even. Exactly. Question Authority, but know when to stop. Sometimes the reason things are the the way they are is because it works. Vaccines are used because they have been proved over and over and over that they work. Just blinding assuming any theory that is contrary to the offical one has to be true, because 100% of everything we are fed daily is a lie serves no purpose. Cthulhu Dreams posted:
Because the real bad stuff would take effort to fight, while pretending its some kind of vast network of all powerful cadres means they can just post on the internet and be annoying to their coworkers but don't actually have to lift a finger.
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Don't forget draping lady justice's boobies. US did support Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war, but that was because Iran was the big bad, and Iraq was a fairly secular government.
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Main Paineframe posted:I think the idea that "if the CIA hadn't misfiled those documents, we wouldn't even know that MKULTRA had ever existed" unnerves a lot of people. The idea that an organization can cover up a project like that for twenty years and almost managed to erase all evidence that it had ever happened really sets off people's paranoia - it creates a perception that another similarly large and similarly evil program could have been completely covered up to such an extent that evidence of it hasn't been discovered yet and potentially could never be discovered. From an outside perspective, "poo poo that never happened" is indistinguishable from "poo poo that's been completely covered up", and there's been plenty of accusations that appeared to be the former but were revealed by a leak to have been the latter. The only difference between "conspiracy" and "not conspiracy" isn't whether there's evidence, it's whether any evidence has been found. Most conspiracy theories are crazy paranoid talk, but it's hard to knock the basic paranoia behind them; the only real problem is where they let it lead them. The problem is that people will take this to extremes of nuttyness. Yes MKultra was a thing, yes it was hidden for decades and the knowlage of it was nearly lost, BUT that doesn't mean that everything else is true. And you cannot say absence of proof is proof in of itself. Its literally ancient aliens thinking, we don't know how it was done, so therefor we can make up any theories we want and claim they're true because of argument from ignorance. Thought its kind of hilarious how the Ancient Aliens crowd claims that mainstream archologists are ignoring the mountains of evidence that are just sitting there, because they are just raking it in by denying it. I'm sure Georgio spends more on velvet sportcoats and hair product than the average archeologist makes in a year. Or when Anti-GMO people claim that all the scientists that are saying there is no evidence of any problems with the crops just because they are protecting their big giant grants. Yea, 90% of the money that Monsanto gives to in the grant is taken by the university or lab where the scientist works and then the remainder is given to them as their salery, but they can use the labs, assistants and equipment for their work free of charge. Again, the guy writing the books and making the documentaries are probably making way more than that. (please note that I often stop when I hear a claim "is the person who is telling you this selling you something at the same time?" If yes, then its probably bunk. BTW, I wanted to ask, what is with the comment about skeptical thinking suddently be seeing as sexist and racist? I remember there was some weird thing With Dr Rebecca Watson and Dawkins and while i've heard some lovely things being said about islam, I've also heard the same lovely things being said about Christians, Jews and Hindus, in that people are always trying to use their faith to control other people and impose their morality on others. Admittedly, I only listen to Skeptoid, SGU, Monstertalk, Conspiarcy Skeptic, and Exposing Psuedo-astronomy. Used to listen to cognitive dissonance but their thing got really old fast.
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Yikes. I wish I had remained ignorant. I'm sure they all turned on James Randi when he came out too.
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limeincoke posted:This is a really good song. These guys are pretty good rappers who have good voices for it. Why does the subject material have to be so fuckin stupid? The Egyptians had electrical power? WTF? http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/112-2/ Explains the whole thing. Yea it looks like a lightbulb to us, because lightbulbs are a commonplace thing for us. If you learn imagry that the Egyptians used and put yourself in their frame of thinking, it makes sense in a more logical way.
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Anytime someone spouts out anything about the Rothschildes, I always respond "reading Protocols of the Elder of Zion recently?" because it and the entire WORLD MONEY CONTROL thing is just another version of "Jews are controlling all our money to undermine christian democracies/capitalist systems".
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predicto posted:You might enjoy this. Its pretty sad that Bircher beliefs are pretty much the same as the modern GOP, just include Liberal, Nazi, Fascist, Socialist, Muslim and Gay along with communist as synonyms for "things we don't like".
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HUMAN FISH posted:Uhm that's Thermite, the stuff in WTC was Nanothermite. That's the stuff that moves goalposts right?
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Sep 28, 2013 07:41
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I do find it amusing that the truthers have pretty much settles on controlled demolition as the way it happened, and that all other theories are bunk. I heard that the orbital laser people are now being accused of being illuminati plants to make the movement look insane.
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Awe, poor kitty. Anyways, even if there isn't much in the way of public camera footage of the Pentagon hit, there are tons of photos of plane scrap everywhere. But that doesn't stop truthers from cropping the photos to show now wreckage and claiming its proof. And I completely missed the thing in the Ancient Aliens exposed where at the end they go all christian. I was too amused by the fact Georgio and Co. are talking about Annunaki but actually describing Djinn from a completely different culture that existed far later than the Sumarians.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Well it's been too long, obviously they doctored it by this point This is the most infuriating thing about conspiracy nuts, they literally have answers for everything. No matter how implauseable it is, they can explain every rational fact away with "It was all faked" or "all the experts are bought off!". Always say "offical story" in a derisive manner, as if its the offical story, its inherently incorrect. You know, sometimes its the offical story because thats what happened. Its all good and well to question authority, but blinding accepting anything that goes against is just as bad as blinding following it.
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I love the Crisis Actors thing. For those who have not heard of it, some nutbars think that the people who are interviewed or reponding to shootings and terrorist attacks are actually actors as part of a false flag. Because the names of these people are used in the media, then they are found on facebook and what not, so the tinfoil hat crowd harassies and threatens them. Like that guy who helped the kids at Sandy Hook; he's gotten death threats from info wars people (they identified themselves as such) and basically they made his life a living hell because he helped save some kids from being killed. Next time someone says conspiracy people are harmless, tell them that. The second thing, that's hilarious is that some of these fruitcakes believes that big name actors are used. You end up with stuff like this http://i.imgur.com/7rltbY4.jpg Yes, James Holmes was really Jack White. And all these people, who look nothing alike other than sex and some other vague similarties are REALLY THE SAME PEOPLE. And the guy posting these little selfie makes me laugh, you look totally truthworthy with the wrap around shades and backwards camo baseball cap. I he's at either a monster truck or Klan rally.
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McDowell posted:wellaware1 is literally a paranoid schizophrenic. But that hasn't deterred gun nuts from using his ideas to deflect how we react to mass shootings. Yep. Now the first reaction to senseless gun violence is "Another false flag to TAKE AWAY ARE GUNS!!!!!!!". Big Beef City posted:I wish they'd tied the Royals and baseball connection together and ultimately tried to convince us that all of these acts are perpetrated by the Kansas City Royals for some nefarious scheme. To remember which Kansas City they are from?
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CommieGIR posted:I can't wait till they say Pearl Harbor was all a setup. There really are people who honestly believe Pearl Harbour was made to happy. Not that FDR planned it with the Japanese, but more he and the others in charge of the US saw that the Japanese were going to attack and let it happened.
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SedanChair posted:I really would like to hear the details behind that conspiracy theorist believing that Jack White tried to steal his silver. Yea. That part made me laugh. Also why not gold? I thought all these guys were goldbugs. OzyMandrill posted:Seriously? I saw that when I was looking for a good crisis actor image to post. It really dosen't look like that, but then these people not looking at the evidence to see what it says, they are looking for evidence to prove their theories of FALSE FLAG. http://i.imgur.com/olLQhcG.jpg This one is almost popular http://i.imgur.com/5Qea2Ng.jpg If i was that soldier I'd sue the poo poo out of everyone who posted that. Or come over with my big giant marine buddies and set the guy straight. Grouchy Smurf posted:From a government that couldn't cover a blowjob the most powerful person in the world received, in the most secure room in the world. Can't cover up Break ins or blowjobs, but cna cover up that they caused the deaths of thousands of Americans. And I know that they call pouring over the hundreds/thousands/millions of images from these tragedies as anomaly hunting, but I don't know what you'd call basing your argument on them. It is kind of hilarious when you think about these people pouring over what is probably lo res and hastily shot images for weird stuff that they can go onto their internet forum and go "AH HA! I cracked the Illuminati code!".
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KomradeX posted:That or they think The Riddler is behind every conspiracy. That's essentially it. Back when Denver Airport was the conspiracy du jour, I asked someone straight up "why would the evil illuminati alien reptoid overlords put all these symbols and hints of their plans everywhere?" and he said "Because they need to make us know what they did, they need to rub our faces in that we are powerless".
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FuzzySkinner posted:At least the pre-Alex Jones conspiracy theories were fun to speculate about out and didn't create an army of morons producing shoddy youtube videos to force on you. And they didn't directly effect government policy. A lot of Tea Party Republicans run on pretty much nothing but Conspiracy based campaigns.
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For some reason I glanced at the Youtube comments for a video about the Young Turks show talking about some douchey 15 year old conservative radio host, and the top rated comment said; "Feminizism is a zionist plot to double tax income and get women out of the home so children will be indoctrinated in the zionist run liberial conformity factories!" Why poo poo on women when you can poo poo on them and Jews at the same time!
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Periodiko posted:I'm wondering if he didn't call it "feminazism" because it tarnished nazism by association. Didn't you know nazism is just a zionist liberal socalist plot? I mean, part of holocaust denial is that it was cooked up so people will feel sorry for Jews, but it totally didn't happen.
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I never thought about it but yes, conspiracies now are pretty much all "The government is going to take away all rights and do (things that are dependent on your political beliefs). Look at the obsession with false flags now, there have always been nutbars who claimed that they existed, but now its pretty much an accepted fact by a not insignificant number of people that Sandy Hook and all other shootings are a evil plot by the gun grabbing liberals to take away ARE GUNS that will be followed by horrible martial law where all straight, white Christians will be rounded up and shoved into ovens. Though that can be seen as them knowing, deep down, their views are being left behind and they know that it won't be the dominant forever, and that paranoia is coming out in other ways.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Well, to be fair, the government HAS kind of started proving the crazies right. Remember Alex Jones, remember he was all like "The government is spying on you all the time" and we all laughed and chuckled and said "oh, you silly, crazy man" and then it turned out that, in fact, the government WAS spying on us all the time. True, but broken clocks and all that. And its not like its a terrible stretch to say the goverment is spying on you. It's like saying the goverment is propping up dictators or knocking them over. And Jones and his ilk are suggesting that the NSA is more about collecting information so when the North American Union is established and true blue patriotic Americans are made 3rd class citizens after the Mexicans and Canadians, they'll know who to round up. I had lots of spare time at my parents so I read the entire Enemies trilogy thread in TFL and that kind of stuff is on the brain. It is kind of funny, because the horrible dystopian state is caused because a small, rogue group of goverment agents stage one false flag and knock off a few gun store owners. In response the heroic true blue patriots of the book go on a killing spree of many innocent people that have been gun control advocates, for no reason is they oppose gun ownership in some way. It takes a really dieased mind to think "Those gun grabbers think we're all a bunch of psychos who want to gun everyone down! I'll show them by gunning everyone down!".
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Shbobdb posted:See, to me, that is just revisionism, of the worst kind. Sure, nutters have been saying the government is always spying on you since forever. After the sweeping reforms of the PATRIOT Act, a bunch of fully sane people said, "Holy poo poo! This allows the government to spy on us all the time and is twelve kinds of wrong!" They were dismissed as crazies because crazies have always said that sort of thing. During the Kerry Campaign, there was an attempt at reconciliation where people, for example, who were always against the Iraq War were clearly nutters, people who were for it and have come to realize it was a clusterfuck (which no one could have seen!) are the voices we need to listen to. Of course, that crashed and burned. Who would you prefer: the effeminate, French Appeaser or the manly, American Decider? But the people on Coast to Coast have been saying that the goverment has been spying on its citizens for decades, and their fantasies were much more elaborate than the more prosaic methods actually used. Anyways, "Spying on its citizens" is such a generic theory, its like saying "the goverment assassinates people!" the base statement is true, but everything from the logic used (if there is any) to the reasons and the methods are completely different. I'd also say that the decades of tinfoil hatters running around yelling it may actually have made the general public to not take the whole thing more seriously. Crying wolf so to speak. Anyways, it sounds like you're trying to go for some "The crazies on coast to coast about this one thing, what else might they be right about!!!!???" And you can't really take seriously all the calls of those who were against the war in Iraq as crazies because 9/11 broke a lot of American's brains and they blindly followed anything Bush's cadre said and if anyone disagreed there was an easy reponse "Why do you hate America?". As if not wanting soldiers to die in a pointless war is somehow bad for them. And I am Canadian, and America has not been the best world citizen since 9/11, but its not hopeless. They just need to get all the people suffering from mental health issues out of goverment and the media and into places they can get treatment.
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Shbobdb posted:You're not so good at the whole "reading comprehension" thing, are you Twistedmentat? Wow, I completely misread your post. My line about you saying "what else could they be right about" is pretty showing. Derp, but clearly I agree with you that the years of the nutters saying crazy things and one of those crazy things turned out to be true (in a shallow sense) have numbed the public to real goverment overreach. And the ones talking about spying now have some people going "they could be right about Alien human hybrid bigfoots and the Shining is a confession on the moon landing hoax (Go watch Room 237, it's really good and if you like conspiracies its also fun hearing them and seeing the evidence presented).
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First rule of Conspiracy theories, your enemy has to be both the best and the worst.
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One of the big ones is that you can't travel in space because the radiation would kill you instantly. Ignoring that radiation shielding exists, and cosmic radiation isn't quite as powerful as the theoriests act. Not only that but the astronauts do have medical issues associated with very low level radiation exposure, but well within safety limits. But yea, NDgT does a really good debunking of the whole thing. Poor Phil Plate though, pretty much blindsided by the crazy that Joel Rogan was spewing on Penn Gilettes show. But when you are just bombarded with pot fueled crazyness, its hard to make a coherent come back on stuff. Though my favorite evidence is the "C Rock". Look there's a C on this rock, and everyone knows thats a propmasters mark from the movies, therefor HOAX!!!!! Ignoring that A) that is not a prop marking used by anyone and B) the photo they use is one seen in books and not the actual picture from Apollo 11, which shows no C. As for why, the least scary and more plausible one is to make the Russians fear the mighty US Space program, and to get the Russians to waste money trying to get their own moon mission done. More tinfoil hat ones involve the hoax being done so the US goverment cna squirrel away that money for something evil like MK Ultra or retrofitting alien nanoviruses, to the outright bizarre to hide Nazi Moon bases. My favorite crazy person, Richard Hoegland, has tons of stuff to say on this, and has a severe case of paradolia, because he sees things everywhere. He sees giant castles and crystal domes all over the moon, and pyramids along with the face on Mars, which is what made him famous. He also has his own madeup science called hyperdimentional physics. Funny enough he claims that John Carter proves this is real because the ninth ray from the movie is proof it exists, even though it doesn't share any similarities to his theories, until he changed them to suit the movie.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Listen, alright, the Sphinx was built thousands of years before we think it was and it was done by ALIENS This reminds me of the ad that History showed for whatever season of Ancient Aliens is on (have they done one yet claiming the Nazi's had alien help?) that showed Georgio in front a wall with a map of the world and a massive web of red string going to random pictures of "proof" you know, Pyramids and that one statue that looks kinda weird. It looked like the evidence dungeon of a crazy person serial killer in a movie.
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pd187 posted:I'd love to find a youtube of this. I've never seen the show but I can't get enough ancient aliens. Its not as fun as It sounds. The show is nothing but bad intrepretations of well understood historical artifacts and other objects, and outright lies. Most ancient alien things are like that though, or looking at one object completely without context or knowlage of the culture that made it. Hey this Mayan thing looks like a guy in a spaceship! Well, actually everything that looks like a spaceship is actually very common Maya artistic representations of well understood culturel beliefs. As for the lies, there are two great examples, one infuriating and the other amusing. First one is their claims that a stone in some area that was an ancient holy site for pretty much everyone is far beyond the abilities of the ancient people, when in fact the stone is much smaller than what the show claims AND it dates from Roman times who were very capable of moving stones that were the size of the one in question. The other is they base a lot of wacky ideas on this book that was supposed to have been channeled by some Hindu mystic and transcribed by an Englishmen. The book is pretty much a fantasy story about the Hindu gods doing battle with giant airships. Everyone knew this thing was a hoax until the Ancient ALiens people started promoting it as being a "Sanskrit manuscript from 8000 bc". The most infuriating member of the cast, Dr Childress loves to go on about how the book describes all kinds of advanced technology in detail, and how its all completely possible, such as mercury vortex engines and boats with paddles flying through the sky dropping nukes. He also loves appeal to authority as he's always talking about how NASA does this, and NASA does that, but never gives anything specific. Its just painful, like all those Nostradamus shows they used to have that used any kind of odd writing as a lost work of him.
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duz posted:When they showed that photo on the Fox special back in the X-Files years, I could've sworn that C was an obvious eye lash sitting on the photo. That whole special was weird. Yea, it made the whole thing clear as just a bunch of people who don't understand or know any science. IF they're in space why are no stars visible????? Why is the flag waving in the picture!!!!??? I like the guy in the Penn and Teller episode who cracks up at the C rock, and then asks for his "water" which he keeps in a giant vodka bottle.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:To be fair, I do think the Sphinx weathering is a pretty interesting detail that might support the existence of an advanced human society before Egypt. That doesn't seem particularly far-fetched considering how many holes we have in our historical records. Oh yes. There is nothing to suggest that there are not unknown civilizations that reached a certain level of cultural and technological sophistication that we don't know about because either later civs developed out of them and over top of them, or they're just in remoate areas we haven't discovered them in. The thing is, this basic "it could be" is take way too far to the crazy end zone when people start going ALIENS! And acting like archeologists are ignoring all their evidence because it might upset the neat march of history that they depend on, when in reality Archeologists would love to discover a previously unknown advanced civilization. Just that they need more than some guy who has looked at a lot of pictures of stuff in books who thinks one carving on a steele looks like a space ship.
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Spite posted:Have there been any conspiracies about the Voynich Manuscript? That seems ripe for them. I saw a thing on tv where a guy claims to have figured out how they did it. They created a sheet of random symbols inside a grid, and spaced them a specific way, then they took a mask that was the shape of 4 letters on top of each other off center. They placed it over the letters on the grid and it would come up with things that looked exactly like an actual written language, but is purely gibberish. History is shown a Pawn Stars marathon and they keep showing an ad for the new season of Ancient Aliens, and it has Georgio saying, and i quote "The Ruler of this ancient people told his masons to build temples in this shape to reach a so called "higher plane". Is this a ancient misunderstanding of ALIENS?". No you poofed hair moron, its a common belief based on well established anthropological beliefs that can be seen in literally every culture we know of. They are literally short of saying "these ancient people wore hats, is that because they are imitating the space helmets of the aliens???" And if I knew someone who was a holocaust denier, I would not speak to them ever again, and probably just call them a literally nazi. Its one of the stupidest beliefs, beyond truthers and birthers because the nazi's did not hide that they did it. they cataloged EVERYTHING. You can go and see archives where every single name of every single person killed it recorded.
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Its like that with the Health anti-fluoridation people; yes fluoride isn't good for you, but the amount in water is so low, that you'd die of water poisoning long before you had fluoride poisoning. And your body will flush away what little is in the water you drink. But, no go ahead, get rid of it, and invest in the local dentists because they'll be making bank on fillings. The funny thing is fluoridation plants don't just add it to the water supply, but in many cases take it away because fluoride is an ALL NATURAL* product that occurs in some places in unsafe amounts. *in the paranoid world of food woo that exists, literally people believe good for you = natural, bad for you = artificial. Even though a chemical, is a chemical is a chemical.
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And you come up with some crazy poo poo like "Doctors only want to keep you sick so they and big Pharma can make money off you" kinds of talk followed by "and buy my book about the secrets THEY don't want you to know". It doesn't help that the entire health food alternative medicine industry is designed to make you feel like a criminal for what you put in your and your family bodies. Don't give your children GMO Corn, it will turn them into flipper babies! If you're not drinking Wheatgrass juice on a daily basis you're murdering yourself!" And yes, there is poo poo that is really bad for you; i don't smoke or do any drugs, and barely drink, but I loving love pop. I know its bad for me, and I've cut way down (except over the holidays, because coke = christmas in my upper middleclass raised consumer brain), but I will not give it up entirely. Thing about that stuff is there is clear evidence and knowlage that says yes its bad for you, so cut down on it. Speaking of smoking, I know some super hard core level 15 super vegans who won't eat anything unless they are on first name with the farmer who pulled it from the dirt, but they smoke like chimneys. Tobacco is one of the most heavily modified crops in existence, and tobacco companies was way worse than Monsanto, not only in delivering a product that is nothing but harmful and their capitialism makes other companies save weapons look like amateur hour. But nope, they smoke because they're told not to, and because that's playing right into the medical-industrialist complex. Because a doctor, who gains no money by having you stop smoking is not to be listened to, but this guy online says that cancer is not caused by smoking but by tomatoes that were made from Monsanto seeds. Didn't you just say doctors want you to be sick? So why do they tell us to stop smoking, cut down on drinking and fast foods? Oh, reasons, good enough.
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Oh I love Morgellons panic. Its sad how these people could probably be helped, but they refuse to accept it because of paranoia. But I will laugh at some of their 'evidence', like the woman who would rub lemons on her hands and claim it caused worms to come out, and totally not pieces of lemon rind. The fact its paired with chemtrails is double hilarious.
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Sergg posted:That sounds like schizophrenia or some other schizoid disorder. Exactly. Many doctors and psychologists know exactly whats wrong, but they cannot treat it because the sufferers refuse their diagnosis because there's such a stigma against mental illness. It would be completely unethical to treat someone under false pretenses, they won't get help from doctors.
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Jan 6, 2014 02:23
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Spazzle posted:Morgellons is clearly a mental illness, but I don't see how calling CFS a potential mental illness is the height of kookery. Because sufferers refuse the treatments and insist that its some mysterious unknown illness, and tie it to chemtrails and other conspiracy stuff. But its the sad reality of a lot conspiracy thinking, many people who live lives paranoid about this stuff are actually suffering from mental illness and they won't seek help people they don't want to be "crazy".
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duck monster posted:Yeah, though the mental health system is woefully underfunded thanks to loving conservatives. I make a joke about how conservatives are against mental health because if people did get treatment there would be no more conservatives. Obviously that is meant to be a joke, but when I listen to some of the stuff that comes out of the Tea Party and Fox news I can't help but think they could use some medication. Hollow Earth is pretty good, but flat earth is better, because all the evidence says that only a very small group of people believed it, and history books have massively inflated its numbers. Flat Earth Society have around 1000 members and run out of a persons home with a website and a mailing list and thats about it. One of their bits of evidence is simply that the UN flag shows the earth as it truely is; a flat plane with ice all around it.
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