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I've always felt like conspiracy theorists are almost there. I like to study critical theory and social theory, which often rest on similar bases, i.e., that there are systems in our society that enforce control and hierarchy and rest outside of the realm of one-on-one personal relationships: think of Foucault's theory of discourse, where ideologies and authoritarian functions are happening on an individual and state level at the same time. You can't really "prove" a social theory through empirical evidence, but it's not that kind of argument. For instance, you can never "prove" the patriarchy exists, and people too often fall into that trap and say "do you think there's a CONSPIRACY of men planning how to oppress women?" Of course not. Instead, you take something like feminism, discourse theory, or Marxism and apply it to a set of events to see how far it takes you. In short, social theories are like scientific theories in that they both aim to interpret problematic evidence in order to describe some underlying law or principle in a culture or nature. A conspiracy "theory" works in much the same way, at first. You assemble evidence that causes problems with an understanding of an event (how far away Lee Harvey Oswald was, the tensile strength of the beams in the WTC), and then you start theorizing what new explanation might solve these problems. The issue with conspiracy theories is they introduce arbitrary explanations that are either factually invalid ("explosives were planted in the WTC") or entirely unprovable ("lizard people"). Other theorists, when presented with problems in their theory, aim to re-work the theory or assimilate the evidence into the theory (scientists reading this thread, let me know if I'm off track). Someone might say that the working poor enjoy increased standard of living under capitalism, but a Marxist might say that's just an exercise in hegemony, the rich giving the poor just enough so they don't agitate--Marxism can explain this problem. Something like relativity, I assume, has addressed many evidential challenges over the years. Conspiracy theorists don't do this. When presented with opposing evidence they simply ignore it, or accuse the other person of being blind or bought. There's no effort to integrate conflicting viewpoints or evidence into the conspiracy theory. That's why the JFK discussion is probably not totally a "conspiracy theory;" over the years, there has been a lot of forthright discussion about the events of that day, and differing interpretations. A conspiracy theory rests on the emotional appeal of its argument, while social and scientific theories rest on their strength in understanding a wide variety of physical or social events. deptstoremook fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Sep 13, 2013 |
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Speaking of Alex Jones being a lunatic: But look how close he gets! Let's pick apart that quote: "The United Nations [uses regulatory justifications to interfere with and] dismantle a country's infrastructure:" true enough, if you push his words around a bit and include other NGOs. "globalists [are the] front-and-center problem:" alright, I'm with you so far. "[globalists] are the biggest, most organized, eugenics-based, scientific dictatorship:" check, check, check, check, these have all been convincingly argued in different academic contexts. "trans-humanists at the top that plan the extinction of almost everybody and a new species to rise up or humans merged with machines:" whoops, looks like he went over the line! drat it. "Everyone is going to be deindustrialized:" oh, I think the plan is quite the opposite, but we can award points for effort. "Obama and the globalists and the robber barons, they're going to fly around in their jetcopters and their Air Force Ones and their red carpets, like gods above us:" isn't this already the case? "And they're going to get the life-extension technologies:" also true, if this technology is developed. Maybe this wasn't a good example of an Alex Jones rant? Because it pretty much goes over established points in anti-globalization thought, with a side of (always all-too-plausible) cyberpunk dystopian speculation. The only problem is--as always with these people--he attributes this to a deliberate conspiracy and determined effort on the part of global elites. That's likely not the case, but what he's describing is certainly a possible outcome of our current systems of power. So close, yet so far. I always want to think of the conspiracy theorists as fellow critics, but they're too focused on finding blame, scapegoats, and unchanging explanations to really have a conversation wtih.
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