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Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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I wonder how moon landing conspiracists react to this. Like if you're all prepared to launch into your rant about how the government faked the moon landing, and the other guy just one-ups you with 'Oh well of course that was fake, after all, there isn't any moon at all!' does that ever make you question the path you are on? Or do they just plunge down the rabbit hole?

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Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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razorrozar posted:

This never made sense to me. What is an alien supposed to learn by sticking metal up someone's rear end that they couldn't learn better with an external scanner? If we can do it with external scanners and they're supposed to be so far beyond us, why the impromptu colonoscopy?

Probably the same reason that high school students cut up frogs, even though everyone knows exactly what the inside of a frog looks like and there is no information to be gained from it any more.

I mean even if they did need to probe us to gain information, after the first ten years you think they would have gotten what they need. At this point it's clearly not about the actual results.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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But how many did he give to Rome? I bet he kept them all to himself, the jerk.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Man, NASA is lazy with cover stories. "Ok, we just faked your death in the most dramatic and public way possible. Now you need to disappear. In order to do this, we're going to change your first name and you can pretend to be your own brother, and you can start a foundation in your own honor. I'm sure that no one who knew you personally or professionally will notice the sudden existence of a brother, or recognize you in the future. No, we won't bother to fake a birth certificate or anything, that's way too much work."

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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QuarkJets posted:

obama lied people died

Obama did 9/11 to distract people from how badly he handled Katrina.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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QuarkJets posted:

Coincidentally, the serving size of a coke is one can, according to the nutrition label. For that matter, most of what I eat has pretty realistic serving sizes printed on them (I don't eat pop-tarts I guess)

I was eating a poptart as I read this, so I checked and it lists a serving size as the entire packet (two poptarts).

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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You should use a 20oz soda, this one is listed as 2.5 servings which just seems weird to me. I mean you know that whoever buys a 20oz is probably just going to drink the whole thing anyway, but even if you believe they'll split it or save some, dealing with partial portions seems sloppy. There's probably some benefit to standardized portions to let people compare more easily between options, but it only works if you are comparing amounts people actually consume.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Prosopagnoisa is not a reason for people believing in crisis actor crap. 'These two people look the same' is the most reasonable part of the entire thing, in order to believe it you would have to believe that 1) there is an entire industry of people involved in staging tragedies; 2) that this whole industry (which apparently involves regular celebrities and normal film makers) is somehow not readily apparent - like Stephen Spielberg is going to state the Boston Bombing and this enormous project would remain a secret; 3) that this industry is vast and complicated enough to pull off something like a stage bomb at an event with tens of thousands of people, but lazy/dumb enough to reuse the same handful of actors in key positions. There is no way to swallow all that unless you are seriously crazy in other ways.

People with prosopagnoisa deal with their problem all the time, it's a natural part of their life. The fact that two victims at different tragedies look the same shouldn't be remarkable, because every day they see dozens of people who look interchangeable to them. They don't think that their supermarket cashier is also secretly their doorman and also their coworker and also their neighbor down the hall, they know these are different people that just look the same to them. Showing them these pictures and expecting them to react would be like showing someone a picture of twins and expecting them to assume that it's evidence of a secret government cloning project to breed super soldiers.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Helen Highwater posted:

And I guess everyone living and working in one of the most densely populated locations on the planet, completely failed to notice any discrepancy between the CNN feed and what they could plainly see out of their windows?

Well of course people could see the planes, how dumb do you think the government is? Obviously, the 9/11 planes were actually holograms projected by the government to mislead people while they blew up the towers in a controlled demolition. You know this is true because of how the planes disappear immediately on impact, and how there was no substantial plane debris found. Planes are huge, why didn't we find the wrecked fuselage? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING OBAMA?!

Also the reason they had to do 9/11 instead of a bombing campaign is that they also needed a cover event to remove the billions in gold stored in the WTC basement vault. With the collapse of the towers obviously that gold could be claimed as 'lost' and instead used to fund the shadow government. If they hadn't collapsed WTC7 then the ruse might have been discovered!

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Mercury Hat posted:

Do you mean the ancient aliens thing? Where the guy used to believe it then gave up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ

Thanks for posting this, when I was a kid I totally bought into von Daniken's stuff for a while. It's weird to see all that same stuff being peddled on the history channel, and the commentary on this is interesting too. Who is the guy doing it?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Avian Pneumonia posted:

Anyone have any luck working with the anti-vaxx crowd? I know they are notoriously dumb and unable to turn but are there any exceptionally good/convincing articles or studies I can link to?
You could try giving them TB, or maybe polio. This probably won't actually change their mind at all, but on the plus side if they die from a terrible disease that can be prevented through a simple vaccine, it might motivate people in their social circle to change their mind.

I'm only barely joking, the only thing that seems to effectively change these people's minds is when they gently caress it all up and get to see what bouts of measles or some poo poo sweeping a population looks like.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Have these people jumped to the point where they claim epidemics are a fabrication invented by the medical industry?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Computer viking posted:

What sort of treatment do you get in a US school if you're diagnosed with something on the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum, anyway? If it's just a matter of some practical adaptions (like, say, trying to avoid or at least warn about routine disruptions), then meh, that's the sort of thing a sensible school might consider for a kid even without a diagnosis.

US schools are managed at the local level, so the actual treatment and support you get is going to vary wildly based on the politics/funding/insanity of the individual district. There are some federal and state level requirements, but its still reliant on local groups to implement them. I assume in places like Detroit that can't even maintain functional buildings you get nothing.

Here (Boston) any child with a diagnosis will get an IEP (individualized education plan) which outlines what sort of services and accommodations a student receives. It's developed by the school, specialists, and parents and gets reviewed every year. Basically it makes it clear what sort of things the student needs to thrive and how they will receive them so everyone knows what is going on.

I believe that students also get support for diagnosis/treatment, so if you are a family that couldn't generally afford the proper treatment or support for a child with, say, autism, you get those services through the school network of specialists, which is a pretty big deal because it means that kids won't get blocked from receiving assistance just because their family can't afford to see enough specialists to get a diagnoses.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Warbadger posted:

I never understood why idiots latched on to thermite for the supposed demolition of the towers. Thermite is garbage for cutting steel in a way conducive to a controlled demolition.

I assume it's just the pop culture image of what thermite is, plus the name sounds cool.

Leia scared all those guys in Jabba's palace with just one thermite detonator, so you know it has to be pretty scary stuff.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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One day the world will be 70% roads, and then who will be laughing?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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I don't get why people think you need to learn to drive; no one else on the roads seems to have bothered!

:rimshot:

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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The thing is that they are intended as codewords, but there are a always a certian amount of crazy people who don't realize that and you end up with the terms being split between people who are just rehashing jewish conspiracies and people who really think that there are lizardmen pushing for a world government because they missed the dogwhistle.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Do flat earthers ever explain the point of this multi-decade global conspiracy? If the world is flat, what does tricking everyone actually do?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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At least the chemtrail people have some sort of motive figured out, I have to give them that!

Shbobdb posted:

An example of this that got a lot of airtime recently was the "There are no trees" component of Flat Earth which has a long segment involving this kind of proof.
Wait what? There aren't trees? :psyduck:

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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fishmech posted:

The "trees" we see now are the merest saplings, even the mighty supposedly full grown redwoods.

Real trees were miles across at the base of the trunk and their remnants are called mesas and rock formations by evil scientists trying to trick us.

I just spent some time on google with this, it manages to be pretty staggering even by flat earth standards. :stare:

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Synthbuttrange posted:



I... can you believe in rocketry but not a spherical earth?

You can, but your calculations are going to get increasingly hosed up as you go. I mean, this dude is only aiming for 2000ft, and the difference isn't meaningful when you explode at 200ft, so its ok. But if you had a legitimate program that somehow avoided reality, it would be a complete mess.

Like flat earthers believe that 'gravity' is actually because the flat earth is under a constant upward acceleration of 9.81m/s2, so if you were aiming for the equivalent of a geosynchronous orbit you would get over the site and then try to achieve a matching acceleration directly away from the earth ('up'), which would end up with you beetling off into space because what you actually want is an orbit at a particular altitude matching the earth's rotational speed.

Now that I think about it, I am not sure that flat earthers would believe that a geosynchronous position is possible, because the need for constant acceleration means that you would also need a constant thrust, which would consume tons of fuel. I guess they would consider the concept to be a lie and that we achieve those aims differently.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Great, now I have spent half the morning trying to follow flat earth arguments and I have a headache.

As far as I can tell FE advocates present a map that is similar to the one in the UN logo as it adheres to the general concept they want, but if you try to actually engage them on how this works and the distortion of distances they quickly fall back 'well no one really knows the earth's true topography due to meddling by the global conspiracy'. They basically rely on claiming that you can't trust air travel times/distances because they can be manipulated, and apparently don't even engage with the fact that many people successfully use 'round earth' measurements of distance and speed to navigate areas that they claim have vastly different sizes and shapes (ie, crossing the pacific)

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Mad Hamish posted:

How do they explain the fact that the southern hemisphere has seasons opposite the northern hemisphere?

Not very well. They try to explain the different in day/night cycles and the seasons by explaining the sun as a small orb that performs an elaborate spiraling circuit over the disc of the earth, but it doesn't look like this actually explains a bunch of things (for example, the orbit tries to explain why the north pole sees very long days, but doesn't appear to cover this situation for the south pole. I guess because the south pole is faked and people in Antartica are frauds?

No effort seems to be made to explain why the sun ball would have a bizarre and erratic path, there's no physical explanation of it, it's just 'this is how we see things, so this is a thing that sort of covers that, DONE'.

I wonder if flat earthers realize that people predicted the location of unknown planets by applying the 'round earth' theories of gravity and orbital mathematics in the 1800s. I guess that they just think that was all internationally fabricated? :shrug:

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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It turned out that the negotiator was a lizard man sleeper agent who was angry we stopped the nazis reaching the hollow earth and sabotaged the trade as revenge

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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It probably also varies a lot with the region and the individual groups though - I mean that is also true for churches, where even within denominations you can have differences in how things are done and how doctrine is really interpreted/implemented based on the community and the local leader. See the documentary on Irish Catholicism, Father Ted.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Groovelord Neato posted:

we'd be in a lot better shape if people just treated it like a normal government document.

For every amendment we add, we have to repeal two others!

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Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

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Of course not, the Secret Service uses guns forged from the metal reclaimed from Roswell, which are invisible on film or photograph.

This is why you can never get good pictures of UFOs, they're made of special materials so the best you can do is capture the blurrry ambient light and shadow they may create!!

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