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GuyDudeBroMan posted:So does that mean the character will not show up again? Given how massively Wilko Johnson is throwing himself into his work I think we might get those scenes next season.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I always kind of pictured Antonio Banderas as the Viper. But, like, Desperado/13th Warrior Banderas. Not modern Banderas, with his saggy face and tired eyes. I'd like to see what you would look like after two decades of Melanie Griffith
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I also thought that Dorne was predominately very, very dark skinned people. But I can't think of specific parts of the books that support this. Some of my friends who read the books imagined they were basically all Black African looking people. So I have to say I was a bit surprised at how light-skinned the viper was too. I guess I need to reread those first chapters to see the actual descriptions.
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Baldbeard posted:I also thought that Dorne was predominately very, very dark skinned people. But I can't think of specific parts of the books that support this. Some of my friends who read the books imagined they were basically all Black African looking people. So I have to say I was a bit surprised at how light-skinned the viper was too. I guess I need to reread those first chapters to see the actual descriptions. The Dornish are described as usually described as olive-skinned, but there's a mix of races going on. Salt Dornes, coastal inhabitants who are olive skinned. Sandy Dornes, the desert dwellers, who are darker. Stony Dornes, who live in the mountains who are white. It's basically Andalusian Spain with the Rhoynes being North African and/or Arab mixed with the Andal original inhabiants who are Celtic-ish Europeans. SickZip fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Sep 13, 2013 |
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Oberst posted:Nthing that the thread title is amazing. Can't wait for all my illiterate friends to get attached to Oberyn I cannot wait for the unsullied to decide that the thread retroactively spoiled them or something.
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Dorne's population is basically described the same as Spain or Italy ethnicity wise, about one third of the population (Sandy Dornishman) are pretty dark skinned while the other two thirds are either olive skinned (Salty Dornishman, Oberyn and most Martells are described as such) or regular Andals/First-Men and look the same as everyone else in Westeros, such as the Daynes who all have blond hair and blue/purple eyes or Gerris Drinkwater who is also blonde and blue-eyed.
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I think the tumblr massive are confusing the Dornish with the Summer Islanders. People from the Summer Isles are described as being black skinned and are the closest to the books' 'African' ethnicity, as I recall. I always took the Dornish as being almost stereotypically Spanish - y'know, hot-tempered, flamboyant, lusty dudes and ladies.
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# ? Sep 13, 2013 20:58 |
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hobbesmaster posted:I'm wondering if a Stark reunion won't end in tragedy. Sansa Stark prepares a coup de grâce against House Lannister as Arya is assigned a contract against Alayne Stone. Meanwhile, the Brotherhood without Banners marches against the Eyrie to kill the traitor Littlefinger and his court.
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# ? Sep 13, 2013 21:04 |
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Syndic posted:I think the tumblr massive are confusing the Dornish with the Summer Islanders. People from the Summer Isles are described as being black skinned and are the closest to the books' 'African' ethnicity, as I recall. I always took the Dornish as being almost stereotypically Spanish - y'know, hot-tempered, flamboyant, lusty dudes and ladies. Well no, they weren't confusing anything. Oberyn's olive-skinned, and the actor they cast looks quite a bit paler than that description.
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QuoProQuid posted:Sansa Stark prepares a coup de grâce against House Lannister as Arya is assigned a contract against Alayne Stone. Meanwhile, the Brotherhood without Banners marches against the Eyrie to kill the traitor Littlefinger and his court. That reminds me, where are people getting this theory that Arya's first hit as a Faceless Man will be Alayne Stone?
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# ? Sep 13, 2013 21:44 |
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Azure_Horizon posted:Well no, they weren't confusing anything. Oberyn's olive-skinned, and the actor they cast looks quite a bit paler than that description. A Chilean cast in a role as a fake spaniard! When will the whitewashing in Hollywood stop! I mean their Spanish is hardly recognizable! ^^^ it sounds like something GRRM would do
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# ? Sep 13, 2013 21:45 |
Ballz posted:That reminds me, where are people getting this theory that Arya's first hit as a Faceless Man will be Alayne Stone? A sense of irony. There's no reason why Arya's first hit would even be anyone on Westeros, much less some minor bastard shacking up with Littlefinger. Most likely she's going to take out some Braavosi merchant or politician or some such.
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# ? Sep 13, 2013 21:52 |
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Ballz posted:That reminds me, where are people getting this theory that Arya's first hit as a Faceless Man will be Alayne Stone? I guess it comes from the assumption that Arya will be sent to kill someone who is central to the plot and also because Arya doesn't know 'Alayna Stone' which means that she's qualified to go after her. But anyway, Arya already had her first Faceless Man job.
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# ? Sep 13, 2013 21:53 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I guess it comes from the assumption that Arya will be sent to kill someone who is central to the plot and also because Arya doesn't know 'Alayna Stone' which means that she's qualified to go after her. Plus I'm pretty sure they have a rule about killing people they know after we had that "I know this man" part (hence the crew of the ship telling her their names and not letting her go till she knew them all).
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# ? Sep 13, 2013 22:07 |
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jng2058 posted:A sense of irony. There's no reason why Arya's first hit would even be anyone on Westeros, much less some minor bastard shacking up with Littlefinger. Most likely she's going to take out some Braavosi merchant or politician or some such. Hasn't she already killed at least 1 person on the orders of the kindly man? I remember something about killing him with a poison gold coin or something.
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 00:11 |
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She killed a Braavosi insurance salesman with a poisoned coin.
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 00:27 |
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What is this Jaime getting lynched, Brienne saving him talk? I've read all the books and pretty sure he's still alive. Am I forgetting a scene? Or is this some speculation based on Season 3 of the show, which I haven't watched yet?
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 01:55 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Dorne's population is basically described the same as Spain or Italy ethnicity wise, about one third of the population (Sandy Dornishman) are pretty dark skinned while the other two thirds are either olive skinned (Salty Dornishman, Oberyn and most Martells are described as such) or regular Andals/First-Men and look the same as everyone else in Westeros, such as the Daynes who all have blond hair and blue/purple eyes or Gerris Drinkwater who is also blonde and blue-eyed. Perhaps a certain speech from True Romance is in order.
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 02:01 |
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sighnoceros posted:What is this Jaime getting lynched, Brienne saving him talk? I've read all the books and pretty sure he's still alive. Am I forgetting a scene? Or is this some speculation based on Season 3 of the show, which I haven't watched yet? The last we see of Jaime in ADWD, Brienne is leading him to meet with Lady "Hang 'em High" Stoneheart. There's obvious speculation as to whether Brienne will carry out her betrayal or possibly save him.
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 02:30 |
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Alright, that's what I thought people were referring to but the way it sounded was like there was something more concrete I wasn't aware of.
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It's speculation, but it's pretty solid - Brienne is leading him to Catelyn who is hanging anyone associated with Robb's death and her familly's downfall. So far that's only been the Freys (as far as we know at least), but pretty much everybody knows Roose was in on it (and Catelyn was there so she knows for sure) and that Tywin Lanister was behind it. Also, given the last words she heard were "Jaime Lannister sends his regards," it's pretty obvious what the verdict of whatever trial he gets will be. e: The real question is what will Brienne do? She almost chose the rope, but they were hanging Pod and that other knight, so she chose "sword" in the end. Given the foreshadowing from the last few books, she could end up breaking her vows and killing her "Lady" like Jaime killed his king. Narmi fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Sep 14, 2013 |
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Given how massively Wilko Johnson is throwing himself into his work I think we might get those scenes next season. The GoT production doesn't seem to keep massive secrets like that and I can't imagine when they would have had time to film it. He did finish up his music tour but that seemed like a much greater passion of his than acting. I don't think any of the official news actually said that he would never return to GoT though, so we can always hope something happens there. I really can't imagine how D&D could create original training scenes as effective as the Ilyn ones. Regardless, he has already secured his legacy as a badass:
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 03:16 |
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Narmi posted:It's speculation, but it's pretty solid - Brienne is leading him to Catelyn who is hanging anyone associated with Robb's death and her familly's downfall. So far that's only been the Freys (as far as we know at least), but pretty much everybody knows Roose was in on it (and Catelyn was there so she knows for sure) and that Tywin Lanister was behind it. Also, given the last words she heard were "Jaime Lannister sends his regards," it's pretty obvious what the verdict of whatever trial he gets will be. I thought it was "Tywin Lannister sends his regards."? edit you're right, but why did Bolton say Jaime? hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Sep 14, 2013 |
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hobbesmaster posted:I thought it was "Tywin Lannister sends his regards."? No, it was Jaime Lannnister. Bolton was just doing what Jaime asked him to the last time they spoke! (Jaime told him to "Give Robb Stark my regards", not knowing the circumstances in which Bolton would next be seeing him.)
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 03:41 |
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Right, I remember that entire sequence now.
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 03:44 |
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Narmi posted:Plus I'm pretty sure they have a rule about killing people they know after we had that "I know this man" part (hence the crew of the ship telling her their names and not letting her go till she knew them all). Wow, I feel like an idiot. I never picked up on that.
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Narmi posted:Given the foreshadowing from the last few books, she could end up breaking her vows and killing her "Lady" like Jaime killed his king. This has to be the outcome of the Brienne, LS, Jaime scenario. Like you say it fits with the the theme of 'true' oath keeping (holding to one's own sense of right as opposed to literally following the wording). Also the Jaime-brienne relationship is too intriguing to write off just for the sake of keeping LS around.
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Gaussian posted:Wow, I feel like an idiot. I never picked up on that. Took me a second to get the thread title, brilliant. I hope Jaime lives, Nicolaj Coster-Waldau is doing a really good job of nudging the character bit by bit over to good guy territory. Him and Margaery were pretty much my favourites last season
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 08:34 |
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sighnoceros posted:Alright, that's what I thought people were referring to but the way it sounded was like there was something more concrete I wasn't aware of. There's also the matter of Jaime's fever dream quote:Naked and alone he stood, surrounded by enemies, with stone walls all around him pressing close. The Rock, he knew. He could feel the immense weight of it above his head. He was home. He was home and whole. Note that this is before Jaime rescues Brienne from the bear pit and before he gets the sword from Tywin, so there are definitely some prophetic elements there, he also has this dream when he sleeps on a weirwood stump, what's more it's a Fever Dream so it's clearly important in GRRM terms.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:There's also the matter of Jaime's fever dream Does anyone have the full text of Brienne's fever dream from just before she meets Lady Stoneheart? Would be worth comparing.
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Fatkraken posted:Does anyone have the full text of Brienne's fever dream from just before she meets Lady Stoneheart? Would be worth comparing. quote:This is an evil dream, she thought. But if she were dreaming, why did it hurt so much? Pretty sure I got all of it. Perhaps more than is necessary too. Also hi to the new thread. Yureina fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Sep 14, 2013 |
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Oh dear, "Sigur Ros as The Bastard's Boys Progressive Space Yodelers" You probably don't know these guys, but here in the UK we had a couple of hipster DJ's who tried to pass these guys off as amazing. They were pretentious enough to make a song in their own made up language, and released it as a single. A bunch of high students actually bought the song, and Radio 1, our national radio station for young people, pushed them for a while (Radio 1 are now over them and extremely sorry for letting Edith Bowman pretend they were a legit act). In all seriousness, I am slightly scared about how these guys might be used. I am guessing as a group of kick-rear end entertainers, which is far too cool for Sigur Ros.
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Funso Banjo posted:Oh dear, "Sigur Ros as The Bastard's Boys Progressive Space Yodelers" A single? They did a whole album. And it rocks. First The National, now Sigur Ros, what is it with this thread and hating good music?
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 15:51 |
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If this show really wants good music and good musicians, they need to get Judas Priest in there somehow. They could be wildlings, perhaps.
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# ? Sep 14, 2013 15:55 |
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:If this show really wants good music and good musicians, they need to get Judas Priest in there somehow. They could be wildlings, perhaps. Breakin' the wall, breakin' the wall
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Strom Cuzewon posted:A single? They did a whole album. And it rocks. Different strokes for different folks, man. For me, post-rock begins and ends with Mogwai (who rock). I think a lot of the reason that Sigur Ros is involved with this season is because they film in Iceland..Hopefully, we get Bjork in a future season
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Yureina posted:Pretty sure I got all of it. Perhaps more than is necessary too. As opposed to 90% of the dreams in ASOIAF I think that one doesn't have any foreshadowing/prophecy in it, it's basically just Brienne hallucinating as she's carried to the Stoneheart and mistaking Gendry for Renly. Which made me think it's rather curious that Thoros is the only person who knew Robert and Renly well who can't tell that they're related to Gendry.
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Narmi posted:It's speculation, but it's pretty solid - Brienne is leading him to Catelyn who is hanging anyone associated with Robb's death and her familly's downfall. So far that's only been the Freys (as far as we know at least), but pretty much everybody knows Roose was in on it (and Catelyn was there so she knows for sure) and that Tywin Lanister was behind it. Also, given the last words she heard were "Jaime Lannister sends his regards," it's pretty obvious what the verdict of whatever trial he gets will be. Jaime also confessed to crippling/attempting to murder Bran. And he violated his oath to Catelyn (not to take up arms against the Tullys) in about the most egregious way possible (marching a huge Lannister army to expel the Tullys from Riverrun and install Frey-Lannisters in their place, threatening to catapult Edmure's unborn baby along the way). She has plenty of legitimate reasons to kill him.
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Jaime violating the vow not to attack the Tullys is debatable. There was already a large Lannister/Frey army sieging Riverrun, and they were going to sack the place sooner or later with or without Jaime. He may have made threats, but he never promised not to threaten - it's not entirely clear he'd have carried out the threat, either, he's just making use of his reputation as a monster. The outcome he got out of it was probably the absolute best case for everyone involved and I especially like it since it shows Jaime using a sliver of the Lannister cunning his father and brother are known for. Before his development, Jaime would've simply ordered Edmure hanged and Riverrun stormed.
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I always took Jaime's actions at Riverrun as him trying to tread the line between his promise (because he does consider himself an honourable man who keeps his promises as much as he can) and doing what he thinks is right. The last time he trod that line in haste, he gained a wonderful nickname and the hostility of many noblemen whom he held much respect for. That's one thing I really like about Jaime, and Coster-Waldau's performance of him. There's a lot of pain in the man over being the Kingslayer. He did an objectively good thing, something other people were planning to do themselves. But people poo poo on him for doing it because he broke his oath to a madman to do it, and since everyone shits on him anyway, suspecting him of being an honourless monster, he's spent all these years not giving a gently caress. People are far too rigid and hypocritical when it comes to Jaime Lannister.
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