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Brock Samson posted:Christ I must have blocked all that out when I read it. I now have ptsd It really makes you appreciate what the show runners have done with the property.
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Dominus Vobiscum posted:Well, there's this. This is funny as hell. Awesome. edit: Anyone know what the background music is? Tokelau All Star fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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In It For The Tank posted:It can't compete with the best. That is great, but more for humor, for pure horror, I think Samwell wins.
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Dominus Vobiscum posted:Well, there's this. It's not possible to write an un-cringey sex scene. GRRM's ain't that bad actually.
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gfanikf posted:It really makes you appreciate what the show runners have done with the property. On the other hand, Littlefinger's "play with her arse" monologue was pretty awful
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seriously, if you're arguing that grrm is a bad writer but the tv writers are good, you're full of poo poo
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Im at work so I can't listen, but I assume those links are fat pink mast and Dany making GBS threads?
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WeAreTheRomans posted:The whole sentence. Top notch literary criticism there 
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webmeister posted:On the other hand, Littlefinger's "play with her arse" monologue was pretty awful It literally coined the term "sexposition" and as such, hell, the scene is pretty much a classic to be studied in future film schools.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Im at work so I can't listen, but I assume those links are fat pink mast and Dany making GBS threads? Two for two
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While I agree George has written some fairly lovely stuff, I wouldn't say he's a bad writer by any means.
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BillBear posted:While I agree George has written some fairly lovely stuff, I wouldn't say he's a bad writer by any means. Look I think the man has created an excellent world and characters who inhibit it, I don't want to seem like I'm selling him short. It just feels like it's expressed best by others. Eh maybe I just feel he needs an editor. I will say one advantage the shows have as a visual media, is that it can get away with a lot more things simply because it's not narrating or describing someone with the shits or well Geroge's ways of writing sex scenes. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Oct 8, 2014 |
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pigdog posted:It literally coined the term "sexposition" and as such, hell, the scene is pretty much a classic to be studied in future film schools. That term has been around for years 
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gfanikf posted:Eh maybe I just feel he needs an editor. Ding. Everyone needs an editor. If a writer has no-one prepared to say "no" to them, they're writing no better than fanfic.
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gfanikf posted:Look I think the man has created an excellent world and characters who inhibit it, I don't want to seem like I'm selling him short. It just feels like it's expressed best by others. Eh maybe I just feel he needs an editor. GRRM's biggest problem is likely the lack of an editor to be honest and yeah the book's biggest problems are certainly fixed in the show. BillBear fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Oct 9, 2014 |
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BillBear posted:GRRM's biggest problem is likely the lack of an editor to be honest and yeah the book's biggest problems are certainly fixed in the show. As in, the show is going to have an ending?
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emanresu tnuocca posted:As in, the show is going to have an ending? If I recall the show runners know the ending, as a insurance policy against GRRM dropping dead before the books are done. Umbra Dubium posted:Ding. The problem isn't even that I think he wouldn't be open to the idea, it's just no one at his publisher would ever be allowed to, even internally, raise the idea. Of course even if GRRM started using an editor, the person would get death threats, and people would demand "unabridged" copies.
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I don't have a problem with GRRM's sex scenes. The reputation of the books had me expecting really graphic violence and sex scenes, but thankfully the books did not deliver. I like his mix of understated descriptions of sex and violence with the occasional evocative detail. Yes, even the fat pink mast. I've read stuff that was way more graphically violent and sexually disturbing that wasn't even genre fiction. GRRM kind of reminds me of Stephen King - he tells of really horrible things happening without always going into detail.
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Personally I find his descriptions of the way adults eat food to be far more graphic and uncomfortable than anything he ever put in a sex scene. "He devoured the pig trotter, pausing every few minutes to suck the juice from his fingers and use his sleeve to wipe the grease dripping from his chin." NOBODY loving EATS LIKE THAT YOU DISGUSTING GOON
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BillBear posted:GRRM's biggest problem is likely the lack of an editor to be honest and yeah the book's biggest problems are certainly fixed in the show. He has one. I believe she had at least a hand in cutting three battle scenes from the end of ADWD.
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PostNouveau posted:He has one. I believe she had at least a hand in cutting three battle scenes from the end of ADWD. I was actually just reading about her, I was under the impression that his editor was more for stylistic reasons, yes apparently Anne Groell, plays a fairly active role. Despite the ironic title of the speech ,GRRM also seems to recognize their importance (well at least in 1979) in helping a writer. I guess we just have to accept the fact that an untamed GRRM would be an unsightly thing to read, far more then any criticism I may have of him.
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PostNouveau posted:He has one. I believe she had at least a hand in cutting three battle scenes from the end of ADWD. I got the impression the scenes weren't even written so we'd still be waiting for Dance.
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gfanikf posted:Since my wife got me into the show during season 4 (she's infinitely patient and I'm infinitely a PITA), I just have to say finally getting into season 1 is such an odd experience with foreknowledge of what will happen. Why would you start a serialized show in season four?
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gfanikf posted:getting into season 1 is such an odd experience with foreknowledge of what will happen.
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Proposition Joe posted:Why would you start a serialized show in season four? Cause I used to think it was a piece of poo poo fantasy/porno show. Star War Sex Parrot posted:I will never get tired of the moment when Jaime talks about (hypothetically) wanting a good, clean death instead of being a cripple.
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GonSmithe posted:Confirmed: Jaime and Bronn are going to Dorne. Man, I am so hype for this, I have no idea where this is going to go but its gonna be bonkers and weird. Is Jaime gonna get into a saucy relationship with a Sand Snake? Try to raise Dorne for Myrcella, get his head chopped off at the end of it? Nah probably not but at least we'll get some more Jaime-Bronn interaction. The new content in Season 4 was up and down but at least it was exciting to see poo poo go in different directions. I jumped out of my seat when the Child of the Forest started throwing fireballs because what the gently caress was that all about?
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Mike N Eich posted:I jumped out of my seat when the Child of the Forest started throwing fireballs because what the gently caress was that all about? She was chucking fire bombs from a pouch, not going Street Fighter on them.
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Mike N Eich posted:Man, I am so hype for this, I have no idea where this is going to go but its gonna be bonkers and weird. Yeah I'm actually pretty excited. I think overall they've done a good enough job with uncharted waters to earn the benefit of the doubt. And honestly, I almost think I enjoyed the show more when I didn't know what was about to happen (I only read the books between seasons 2 and 3). Actually looking forward to being as surprised as everyone else every Monday night!
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Really? I constantly find myself thinking tons of good scenes are dropped in favor of terrible new material like littlefinger trying to get himself killed by having no plan whatsoever to cover up lysa's murder. And oberyn rather than being clever like in the books, straight up telling tywin he's there to gently caress up house lannister. Anyways; they dropped the aemon Battleborn plot. So gendry will get sent to the wall, increasing the stakes in the Jon/stan confrontation before jon sends him back south. He will probably meet arya in Bravos and she will help them get money for the ship. Also stoneheart won't get added because they don't want resurrection to become commonplace, it would ruin the reveal that viserys it's still alive. Rhilor brought him back to fulfill his destiny and invade at the head of the golden company. You thought the golden skull was aegor bittersteel's? Think again.
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Some new material that I remember being fairly popular: Arya/Tywin scenes, Brienne/Hound encounter, Littlefinger/Varys scenes, Tywin/Olenna bein' old scene. There might be more, that's just off the top of my head.
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Lycus posted:Some new material that I remember being fairly popular: Arya/Tywin scenes, Brienne/Hound encounter, Littlefinger/Varys scenes, Tywin/Olenna bein' old scene. There might be more, that's just off the top of my head. Robert's one scene alone with Cersei in series 1 did wonders for solidifying their relationship. I wish we had some Robert POV chapters in the first book so we could have something like that (Cersei's POV is best saved for when she's properly losing her mind).
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Lycus posted:Some new material that I remember being fairly popular: Arya/Tywin scenes, Brienne/Hound encounter, Littlefinger/Varys scenes, Tywin/Olenna bein' old scene. There might be more, that's just off the top of my head. I'm very happy with their ability to write new character scenes. It's the bigger plot stuff (Karl fookin Tanner, Asha) that's been a bit shaky. Although most of Qarth was new, and magic-clone-coup was awesome. I kind of wish they'd played up how complicated Qartheen politics was and had Dany stumbling into a madhouse of backstabbing and double deeling that she's completely unequipped to handle.
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That would have been tricky, although not impossible. However if they did that and also play up the Meereenese politics, which is likely more important to the overall story, it would have been repetitive. Edit: Completely unrelated, but does anyone anticipate news about the Winds of Winter with the release of the GRRMarillion later this month? I'm doubtful, but I'll be buying it either way. lifts cats over head fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Oct 9, 2014 |
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It seems like every time you see someone making the "GRRM is a lovely writer" claim it's always the person who hasn't actually read the books. You can cherry pick the worst of any writer with a 30 year+ career and make them look lovely, it's not a good excuse. This is an especially dubious claim on top of the idea that the showrunners are somehow salvaging this apparently terrible writing, when all the best scenes/episodes of the show have come straight from GRRM, word for word, and all the worst scenes(play with her arse, Yara's Big Adventure) have nothing to do with him.
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Bonesnap posted:It seems like every time you see someone making the "GRRM is a lovely writer" claim it's always the person who hasn't actually read the books. You can cherry pick the worst of any writer with a 30 year+ career and make them look lovely, it's not a good excuse. This is an especially dubious claim on top of the idea that the showrunners are somehow salvaging this apparently terrible writing, when all the best scenes/episodes of the show have come straight from GRRM, word for word, and all the worst scenes(play with her arse, Yara's Big Adventure) have nothing to do with him. Does "I heard you like boats", come from the book?  More so it's not as if I haven't tried reading the books. Hell I'm considering another try. I'd most likely like more detail as one of my big issues with the show is when plotlines only get a few minutes ie (no don't go back to Kings Landing stay with Daneries). I'm sure due to the pov setup that problem is mitigated. Still even if the books don't take I'm enjoying watching the first seasons with my wife. Dothraki own. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Oct 9, 2014 |
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gfanikf posted:I'm sure due to the pov setup that problem is mitigated. For the first few books anyway
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gfanikf posted:Does "I heard you like boats", come from the book? I have the same problem with LOTR and the books. I love the films but I can't bring myself to stomach Tolkien's books.
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