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Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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El Roncho posted:

For anyone who has AXS, RFA has been pretty fun. First fight was a finish via front kick to the liver.

gently caress! I missed this. How did Justine Kish do? This was her first fight at 115116.8, and I'm of the understanding she's a really good prospect ('twas a World Champion in Muay Thai, beat Munah Holland in her MMA debut).

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Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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LobsterMobster posted:

According to Dave Doyle on the tweeter, she punch-kicked Randa Markos pretty handily for the first two rounds, but nearly got caught in an armbar in the third. He hopes both can make it to the TUF 20 house.

(I enjoyed watching her Muay Thai highlights while writing up my preview of that fight for Championship Rounds)

Ah thanks. Apparently Kish also missed weight by a bit? I updated the rankings I put on page 17 or so but since Kish missed weight and this was her Strawweight debut, I put her in as an unranked insert. Kish has the better chance of making the show but missing weight in one's last fight is a really bad sign, even if it was just by a pound, considering you have to make weight 3 times in 6 weeks to win the show.

TheCool69 posted:

Hey lobster you should check out Tina Lähdemäki from Finland... She is a really solid fighter 5-0 fighter who in her last fight choked out Karla Benitez

Lähdemäki seems like someone to keep an eye on but it's also worth noting that she's a Flyweight, and that's where the match took place. I may do some sort of hype thing for Flyweights at some point but that division is in recovery mode (which Invicta is facilitating somewhat by giving it more attention).

Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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Behold, your Invicta Bantamweight #1 Contender:

Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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Jessica Aguilar confirms that she wears her new belt just about everywhere ala Tim Sylvia.

Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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So, I updated my dumb blog with my Strawweight and Bantamweight Top 40s, only now they're all pretty and poo poo with like 120 hyperlinks.

Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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-Atom- posted:

I thought we had a mutual understanding that Sheila Gaff shall not be ranked.

I ran out of people after 39. Take away her losses, take away her wins over a bunch of cans and a journeywomen, take away her glove touch KOs over decent fighters, take away her DQ loss to Cindy Dandois in an attempted glove touch KO in the 3rd round of a fight she was probably winning (Gaff dropped her but Dandois hung on so Gaff threw an illegal knee that opened up a giant gash in Dandois' forehead), and she still legitimately beasted Aisling Daly, which is enough of a win that there's really no one I can rank in front of her at #40. If you think of someone let me know.

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LobsterMobster posted:

From what I understand, the 11 former Invicta ladies are assured spots and try-outs will be held for the remaining 5 spots, so I think it's just 16 ladies in the house. I could be super-wrong, though.

I am probably going to end up being super-wrong

No, this is correct. Filming starts like May 20th or thereabouts. It's not really known when the open tryouts are but I assume they're going to start in late April or something, wherein they choose the 5 final girls and presumedly a couple of alternates.

Jessica Penne, Aisling Daly, Brianna VanBurren, Heather Jo Clark, and (inactive but former top 5 Atomweight) Lisa Ellis are all apparently trying out, among other notables. Not sure about Stephanie Eggink. V.V Mei speaks perfect English but seems to be more interested in dropping to Atomweight for now.

Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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Invicta just signed 15 new punchladies:

Atomweight (105lbs)
• Amber Brown- 3-1 - World #5 AW in the Unified Rankings

Strawweight (115lbs)
• Livia Renata Souza- 5-0 - Good prospect, BJJ specialist (#19 in my unreleased FLW PSP rankings)
• Karolina Kowalkiewicz – 4-0 She's a very good prospect, not ranked in the Unified Rankings but ranked #23 by PSP
• Mellony Geugjes - 0-1 (18-5-2 Kickboxing, 10-0 Boxing)
• Herica Tiburcio- 7-2 World #12 SW (#17 by PSP)
• Ashley Greenway- 0-0 (4-1 amat.)
• Joanna Jedrzejczyk – 4-0 - World #6 Flyweight (I had her #7 FLW in my unreleased PSP rankings) apparently dropping to Strawweight (still listed at FLW in the press release but SW on the website, and she was leaked ahead of time as a SW)

Flyweights
• Rachael Ostovich - 0-1 (6-0 amateur)
• Valerie Letourneau – 4-3 - TriStar grappler
• Delaney Owen – 0-0 (7-2 amateur)
• Roxanne Modafferi – 15-11, (listed at BW in the press release but FLW on the website, and FLW is her natural division) (#30 BW PSP rankings)

Bantamweights
• Peggy "Daywalker" Morgan - 2-1 :neckbeard: (#31 PSP rankings)
• Cindy Dandois - 5-1 - Was previously retired and this is a really, really unexpected signing. She was a former Top 5 FW when FW was the big women's division, and she actually beat Marloes Coenen in her debut match. Mostly a grappler type.
• Irene Aldana - 3-1 Actually kind of decent from the match I've seen of hers. (#38 PSP Rankings)

Featherweights
• Faith Van Duin - 4-0 - Technically she is the world #4 FW. Her record is kind of suspect since she picked up 3 of those wins in a one-night tournament, but FW needs anyone they can get.

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Chrom1um
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Zwachro posted:

Is Marina Shafir still happily submitting amateurs?
Supposedly she will be turning pro after her most recent can-crushing a couple of weeks ago (her amateur record is now 5-0). This is according to Ronda Rousey, so it's likely true.

1st AD posted:

Is that why Cindy Dandois was seen palling around with Miesha Tate? Getting ready to fight again?
Signs point to yes.

LobsterMobster posted:

I managed to track down the results of that DEEP Jewels card, and my fave, Mizuki Inoue, missed weight so she was ineligible to win the fight. She armbarred Emi Tomimatsu in the third, so she lost by DQ. Why even have the fight if one person is unable to win? :psyboom:
Because gently caress Japan. FightMatrix has rejected the outcome and is counting it as a win for Inoue. Sherdog had it recorded as a "loss" but changed it to a No Contest sometime in the last 12 hours or so (thank god, as this saves me from having to register a Sherdog account to vent my nerd rage at them). Also, Shannon Knapp recently affirmed that Inoue is still under contract to Invicta so hopefully Invicta can rescue her from crooked Japanese promoters.

Meanwhile, because Inoue managed to tap out Tomimatsu in her "loss," Tomimatsu is merely the Interim Champion. Inoue will probably be offered a rematch. I hope to gently caress she isn't contractually obligated to take it and can get the gently caress out of there. Maybe Roxy can hook her up to come and train in America, idk.

Meanwhile, in other Deep/Jewels news, for the zero of you who care, Mika Nagano has canceled her retirement match after getting married and pregnant, and while they still have a core group they rely upon, they're generally in a bad way. The one bit of bright news talent-wise is that former Top 10 Strawweight Saori Ishioka is returning from retirement. She won't be Top 10 when she returns, hell she'll barely be Top 25, but she's still pretty decent and is only 26 (she originally retired at the age of 24), so it'll be interesting to see how she works out.

Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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From the When We Were Bouncers series:

Enson Inoue posted:

I RECENTLY GOT IN THE middle of a situation at an MMA show called RINGS: The Outsider. It’s a group run by a famous wrestler named Akira Maeda, and a lot of Yakuza fight on those shows.

Maeda’s organization got a reputation as being kind of crazy because a lot of the guys who fought there didn’t understand it was a sport, and so things would become personal. A guy would be watching his brother getting pummeled in the ring, and he’d take it personal and then things would happen outside the ring. You can’t have that, because if it happens too much then the police just shut the event down.

I would get paid just to be at these shows because I’ve got a lot of connections with the gangsters and the Yakuza people. Because of the respect they have for me, they usually try to control themselves to a point where they don’t riot or anything like that.

One night I was at a show and after one of the fights, the guy who won stood over his opponent a little bit longer than he should have and screamed down at him. But nothing physical happened as they left the ring, so I thought everything was okay and I just sat there waiting for the next fight to start.

Then all these big security guys came up to me and said that there was some poo poo going down in the back. Which struck me as weird, because I was like, “You guys are security, why the gently caress are you telling me?” (laughs) But then I realized that if they’re coming to me, there’s probably some crazy-rear end riot going on with gangsters who aren’t gonna be listening to the security guards.

So I walked in the back, and sure enough there was the two [Yakuza] fighters squared off with each other, and none of the security guards wanted to get involved. So I stepped in between the two guys, and even though they were both going crazy, they at least calmed down a little bit when they saw me. You could see them start to control their anger a little more. [Then] I noticed that the official security guys weren’t even standing with me to have my back -- I’m just standing there between these two guys with all their friends behind them, and the security staff is completely out of it!

Now, the usual idea would be to separate the guys involved, but I did things different. The way things go in the gangster world, if poo poo goes down you have to settle it now. If you’re gonna hurt each other, if you’re gonna solve it, you have to do it now. Because if you let it go and it goes through the [Yakuza] families, then even if the higher-up guys decide everything’s cool, you might still have the lower guys hurting each other. You don’t know who’s gonna tell what family member, and who’s gonna run into who. The whole problem can escalate, get out of hand.

So I took the two [fighters] in a room, just me and them. They were still worked up to the point where they looked like they were gonna throw down, but if they did it in there it would be cool [because it was] just two guys -- no weapons, no friends are gonna jump in, it’s just us. They kept yelling for a while, and then the guy who lost the fight started crying -- like, angry crying. But at the same time, [he] seemed to be more sad than pissed off. I guess those guys used to be friends, and he was sad that the other dude had disrespected him.

At that point I said, “Okay, this is cool -- it’s better that I’m not here so you guys can sort this out”, and I stepped out of the room. When the security guys saw me come out alone and close the door, they said, “What the gently caress are you doing? Why aren’t you in there?!” (laughs) But there were no knives or weapons in that room, just some lockers and some chairs, and how much damage are you really going to do to each other with chairs?

The security guys tried to go in there but I stopped them because, you know how sometimes when there’s people around trying to stop it, a guy will get braver? You know, he says poo poo that he probably wouldn’t say if it was just him and the guy he’s mad at, all alone. Sometimes having a crowd around can turn a mouse into a lion. But with just them alone in a room, there was no pride involved and it could come down to what the issue was really all about.

I listened through the door, and I heard yelling from both guys, then it turned to crying, then the crying turned to talking, and after that everything got resolved. Hmmm... I guess this would be a better story if somebody got stabbed! (laughs)

Because of the respect I have with these underworld figures, I’ve gotten really good at getting people to talk instead of go to war. Which is actually really funny, because back in the day I [was the first guy to] jump up and say, “Let’s fuckin’ take it outside!” (laughs) The first option I used back then is the last one that I want to use today. The way I do things now, problems get sorted out and nobody has to get hurt.

Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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Shannon Knapp just dropped a crapload of news for Wombat Sports, none of which I was aware of except that they were still trying to get a TV deal going (they were offered TV deals as soon as Invicta 2, but they wanted to get both a good deal and one that allowed retention of creative control).

Summary points:

•Invicta 8 will probably be in late April, pushed back from late March (this is not a surprise). The hold up is negotiating a TV deal. When the date announced the card will be announced too, since they already have a "mock card" in place.

•Once Invicta has a TV deal they'll probably leave Kansas City (they've been looking to do this for a while).

•Invicta 9's date and main-event may be announced at roughly the same time Invicta 8 is announced.

•Cyborg vs. Edianne Gomes has been confirmed as Cyborg's next match and final match at Featherweight (there had been speculation of it being Julia Budd but Gomes makes more sense). She reiterated that she'd drop down and fight Invicta BW Champion Lauren Murphy after this.

•Zoila Frausto (she broke up with Jorge Gurgel) is dropping back to Strawweight after failing at FLW (prediction: Mizuki Inoue's gonna gently caress her up).

•World #5 SW Ayaka Hamasaki is dropping to Atomweight this is kind of a shocker, but it's a good move on her part as she's kind of small for SW. This also corroborates the possibility that Hamasaki may be done with Deep/Jewels, which would be pretty rad if Invicta could get her as an exclusive talent.

•New signee Herica Tiburcio (#12 SW) is also dropping down. This kind of makes sense being that she's freaking 4'11".

"After Invicta’s announcement of the 15 fighters a few weeks ago, Knapp was under fire for not signing more U.S. talent." (wtf?) "Knapp made a note to mention that more signings are on the way, many are American talent. We should expect a few more Atomweights to be added to the roster next week; all American talent." (I actually thought it was cool how she was signing excellent foreign talent but whatever). :911:

•Invicta is waiting for the TUF 20 tryouts to happen before making additional signings, whenever the gently caress those happen (probably in April).

•She reiterated that she isn't looking to sell the company "even if it was offered."

Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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LobsterMobster posted:

Knapp is the best.

I hope Inoue can get the gently caress outta DEEP/Jewels, too.

Her manager Shu Hirata dropped a lot of info on Inoue not too long ago. For starters, she has one more fight on her DEEP/Jewels contract. Secondly, she's said she'd like to fight for Invicta at least once more before she makes her UFC debut, since third, "the UFC has expressed strong interest in signing [Inoue]."

Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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The Cyborg/Baars match was pretty incredible, highly recommend it. It also nicely compliments the Eddie / Royler match on this UFC-free weekend.

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Bubba Smith posted:

MMA is a lovely business. Vinny is a chinny fighter, but I believe he was asking for $24,000 to fight in WSOF since he made 8/8 in UFC. I don't think that's super unreasonable. They should have worked out something closer to 12/12 but hey what are ya gonna do other than go on twitter and put everybody's business out in the open?

For the record Dana White has been saying nice things about the Burk Man so I hope he ends up back in UFC.

My understanding is Magalhaes was actually making $22k/$22k in the UFC (or claims this; he didn't fight in any place that releases purse information in his second UFC run, but humiliating M-1 might have gotten him a sweeter salary) and the WSoF offered him $6k/$6k.

Anyway Ali Abdel-Aziz is a former fighter and apparently really good at networking, which seems to be how he got his job as a manager (with Dominance MMA Management) and also his job as the WSoF matchmaker and de facto GM. Unfortunately he's kind of a loving idiot and bad at his job.

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Triticum Guzzler posted:

Honestly I really like what WSOF has going, it's definitely no WEC or Strikeforce, but it feels much more like one of those parallel organisations than Bellator which is mostly preoccupied with tournament stuff

The problem is that Ali Abdel-Aziz, who isn't even a great promoter, is also the matchmaker while also having a day job as a fighter manager (albeit mostly for some UFC fighters), and he's loving horrible at actually using the whole roster. This has led to numerous notable talents retiring because of lack of fights (Din Thomas, Gilbert Yvel, Jorge Santiago, and Gerald Harris off the top of my head). They burned through their entire Welterweight division before making a title match between Josh Burkman and Steve Carl, and did the same thing at BW before Marlon Moraes tried to win.

They've managed to piss away their HW and LHW divisions both into utter states of disarray.

They've signed Ashley Evans-Smith after she beat Fallon Fox, but have signed no one for her to fight. Their women's Strawweight division is utterly hosed should Jessica Aguilar lose.

He has the matchmaking skills of a slightly above-average Sherdog fantasy-booker and the same level of tact to boot.

If Guillard doesn't win against JZ, watch AAA forget that he even exists.

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Gregor Samsa posted:

Does WSOF not run shows in the US? Cuz my understanding is that being a promoter/manager violates the Muhammad Ali Act.

His company, Dominance MMA, still lists him as the founder in the first hit of a Google search, but he also claims to have stepped away from managing in an interview from about a year ago, which I was unaware of (he claims it's to focus his undivided attention on WSoF, which again he's done a horrible job of running).

I'm not 100% positive what the deal is with that, and are you sure the Ali Act is even applicable to MMA? My guess is either way, he doesn't care about things like "contract law," considering that according to Robert Sargent (who would know), he's already tried to poach several Invicta fighters, most notably Cyborg on multiple attempts, all of whom were under contract, in a rather clear case of Tortious Interference.

Chrom1um
Dec 31, 2005
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So, details are emerging on Invicta FC on FightPass. The first event will be headlined by Cyborg vs. Edianne Gomes as expected, and will be "in late-summer" probably still in Kansas City. Invicta 9 is expected to take place just a month later with Michelle Waterson fighting, and the rumored opponent is Seo Hee Ham. Seo Hee Ham is the Jewels Atomweight Champion, but in her last show for them she oddly fought in a kickboxing match (which she won) instead of doing a title defense, even though it was the promotion's first iPPV. If she's jumping ship, that would explain things.

Anyway one huge problem with Invicta has been that they were unable to book all their talent often enough on their own shows to maintain 5 divisions. With the FightPass deal I hope this is no longer the case. When Shannon Knapp was talking about a deal at the beginning of the year, she actually speculated about doing 8-10 shows a year, which would be ideal.

Chrom1um
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Changing the subject, I updated the Shark Tank Mural for Invicta's return in August(?) and the UFC's Strawweight division launching next month. I wasn't sure which thread to put it in but I guess here is applicable plus the subject needed changing.

Click for the full-size version.



Notes:
-V.V Mei, Karla Benitez, Patricia Vidonic, and Emily Kagan removed for dropping to Atomweight, losing too much, losing too much, and being borderline in the first place respectively.
-Justine Kish added for being an undefeated Muay Thai machine.
-Brianna Van Buren added for beating Patricia Vidonic.
-Tina "Jelly Bean" Lähdemäki added for being undefeated, beating Karla Benitez, and getting paired with Claudia Gadelha in the division's UFC debut.
-Kalindra Faria added for dropping to Strawweight successfully and beating Sanja Sucevic after wrecking a whole lot of people as a Top 10 Flyweight.
-Megumi Fujii will keep an honorary spot until the UFC crowns a Champion. It's been less than a year since her final fight anyway.
-Jessica Aguilar has a Mexican flag added under her American one because it seems she was born there.

Chrom1um
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Invicta FC 9 full card is now up:
November 1st, RiverCenter in Davenport, Iowa

• Flyweight Title fight: Barb Honchak (9-2) (c) vs. Takayo Hashi (15-4)
Hashi is actually a pretty decent challenger, far better than Yasuko Tamada was anyway, but Honchak is the one active Flyweight who I think could take out a few top 10 Bantamweights. Honchak should be the heavy favorite here. I assume the winner could face DeAnna Bennet next

• Strawweight fight: Mizuki Inoue (8-1, 1 NC) vs. Karolina Kowalkiewicz (5-0)
I'm kind of surprised this fight was made. I figured Inoue would come back since she said she wanted to do at least one more fight in Invicta. However, I thought she'd be given someone less valuable, since the UFC has made it obvious they want to sign her, and Kowalkiewicz is surging right now. This appears to be an eliminator for Kankaanpaa's title. Inoue should be the modest favorite here.

• Atomweight fight: Ayaka Hamasaki (10-1) vs. Herica Tiburcio (8-2)
This is a pretty competitive match-up between two formerly highly-ranked Strawweights and is another likely title eliminator. I would think Hamasaki is the slight favorite. Either of these fighters would be an interesting challenge to Waterson, as they're both very tough grapplers.

• Bantamweight fight: Kaitlin Young (7-8-1) vs. Cindy Dandois (5-1)
Belgian judoka Cindy Dandois has a win over Marloes Coenen but that was a long time ago and she's coming off a very long layoff. Young is definitely past her peak though. This is a toss-up really, too many X-factors. I'd have to lean towards Dandois though since my understanding is she's been training with Miesha Tate, who has brought some other very good female fighters to Xtreme Couture as well including Leslie Smith. Invicta's BW roster is so weak right now that if Dandois won, I assume she'd be in contention right away (although I'm not sure how they're going to deal with Cyborg right now).

• Atomweight fight: Nicdali Rivera-Calanoc (8-7) vs. Jodie Esquibel (4-1)
Rivera-Calanoc is a lot better than her record indicates as she spent most of her career at higher weight classes, and her losses include people like Jessica Penne, Felice Herrig, and Angela Magana. She's hardly a world-beater, even at AW, and Esquibel should be the favorite. This is kind of an interesting match-up since it definitely seems to be a match made to help establish the AW pecking order. The winner here could be one more win away from a title shot. I have to consider Esquibel about a solid favorite here.

• Atomweight fight: Amber Brown (3-1) vs. Liz McCarthy (2-1)
See above: Amber Brown is a top 5 Atomweight in theory, and McCarthy (6-0 amateur) is a pretty good prospect. If Brown and Esquibel win their matches, I might expect to see them fight each other at Invicta 11 for the title shot-after-next. I do have to consider Brown the favorite here.

• Featherweight fight: Amanda Bell (2-2) vs. Maria Hougaard-Djursaa (5-5)
Featherweight is a division in desperate need of some fresh blood and Amanda Bell, who was 6-1 as an amateur, is coming off a win over Marina Shafir. Hougard-Djursaa is Danish journeywoman who has some wins and losses against tough competition, but Bell should be a solid favorite here.

• Flyweight fight: Shannon Sinn (1-1) vs. Andrea K. Lee (1-0)
I dunno who either of these people are.

• Strawweight fight: Jenny Liou Shriver (2-0) vs. Jamie Moyle (0-0)
Jenny Liou Shriver, who's a pretty drat big SW, apparently did pretty well at the TUF tryouts where Julie Kedzie scouted her but not good enough to make the show. She may be one to watch. I dunno who Jamie Moyle is.

• Bantamweight fight: Kelly McGill (1-0) vs. Maegan Goodwin (0-0)
I've never heard of either of these fighters.


So, with Cyborg dropping to 135 and presumably UFC-bound after that, Honchak is getting her due as the _other_ major title-holder in Invicta besides Michelle Waterson. Beyond that is seems that they're trying to crystallize the AW pecking order, trying to create a SW contender, and just maybe develop some future contenders at BW and FW. LWs are not represented on this card, but LW is a micro-division right now.

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-Atom- posted:

Bean might be able to correct me on this but I think it ultimately boils down to that she just jumps around from camp to camp. She used to be an honorary Alpha Male, but then spent time in WA (forget the name of the camp, I think Chiesa and Silcilia fight out of it too) with Pena, I've also seen her at Syndicate (or Extreme Couture?) in Las Vegas, and more recently in Belgium.

Tate seems to have found a pretty good home at Xtreme Couture, since the gym's relevancy was seriously fading and she's a big name active fighter who was able to bring in others. Also I don't think she ever officially trained at Sikjitsu with Pena, Sicilia, and Chiesa in Spokane. Following their split from Team Alpha Male, she and her spouse trained at Victory Athletics in Takoma, I think under Dennis Hallman or something.

Didn't know she went to Belgium, but apparently she brought back Cindy Dandois with her as a souvenir or something.

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1st AD posted:

Lmao Bryan Caraway is not her spouse

Also she was seen with Dandois at Invicta 6 or 7.

I'm starting to get the feeling that the bean don't watch fights?

Think you could explain to me how mistaking Miesha Tate's fiance for her spouse and how Cindy Dandois having been at Invicta 6 and 7 translates into me not watching fights?

I'm quite aware that Dandois and Tate have been hanging out together off and on for almost a year now. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that Dandois and Tate have been training together in Vegas. I didn't know Tate went to Belgium at some point as well, thus I made a joke about picking up Dandois as a souvenir. There, I've killed a joke by deconstructing it. Happy?

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So yeah, I figure I oughta post something about Invicta.

Losing Aldana/Reneau was pretty tragic. I figured if Irene Aldana and Tonya Evinger both won their fights, they'd fight for the (vacant) Bantamweight Title. I fully expect the UFC to snatch up Aldana after she wins a couple more fights either way though. She's a talented Bantamweight who is not only Mexican born, she also lives and trains there, and has some pretty nifty striking.

Losing Van Duin/Tweet isn't quite as damaging, but considering how thin the talent pool is at Women's Featherweight, and considering that Bellator is now competing for that talent, this was a match that Invicta really could used to have help build up a plausible sacrifice contender for Cyborg, since it seems like she's sticking around for a bit.

As for the matches actually on the card:

Herica Tiburcio (8-2) is a hella-talented grappler who spent most of her career at SW, but is 4'11" so the drop to AW isn't exactly unreasonable. She is a very solid fighter and a far better opponent for Michelle Waterson than Yasuko Tamada. "Far better" is a relative term however, and I would consider Waterson to still be a heavy favorite.

Atomweight World Champion Michelle Waterson (12-3) is the most flexible grappler in the sport, has some of the most unorthodoxed striking, and has cardio for days, and I'd consider Tiburcio a pretty solid underdog here. Tiburcio's best path to victory is to overpower Waterson in the clinch and get the ground and pound TKO. Waterson's best path to victory is basically any other way, but most likely outworking and escaping Tiburcio on the ground and then loving her up with her feet.


Team Quest fighter Tonya Evinger (14-5) is a longtime veteran with ridiculous core strength and very solid boxing. She also is a strong proponent of traditional education, and is best known for losing to Gina Carano because she got distracted by her looks (this is the excuse she gave anyway). She's been underestimated a number of times and is the easy favorite here.

Cindy Dandois (5-1) is a Belgian judoka who is and lately a training partner of Miesha Tate's, who has not fought in over 3 years, having taken time off to start a family. However, she holds a very narrow win over Marloes Coenen in her very first professional fight. Depending on how much Tate's really been helping her, she could be a very interesting match-up for Evinger because she's rather an unknown quantity at this point. Evinger is the heavy favorite by default in my opinion though.


Deanna Bennett (5-0) vs. Jennifer Maia (9-3-1) is probably a title eliminator at Flyweight, with Bennett coming off three straight stoppages including a TKO win over Michelle "White Pride" Ould.

Maia is a Chute Boxe veteran who has only lost to fighters who were Top 5 in the division (Vanessa Porto and Leslie Smith) and to Sheila Gaff by a faked glove touch. She also owns wins earlier in her career over Zoila Frausto, Jessica Andrade, and Elaine Albuquerque (who you've probably never heard of but trust me she's good).


Alexa Grasso (5-0) vs. new signee Alida Gray (4-1) is a really interesting match in part because it shows just how deep Invicta's Strawweight bench is even after the UFC took 10 fighters from that division (Chambers and Penne were AWs, Daly was a FLW). Grasso is a solid prospect out of Mexico who cruised through Ashley Cummins at Invicta 8 and is all of 21 years old.

Alida Gray (4-1) is a wrestler with a crushing overhand right who is best known for getting obliterated by the #1 Strawweight in the world Jessica Aguilar, after which the WSoF didn't really have anymore use for her since their women's divisions tend to only hold about 2-3 fighters at a time (Kalindra Faria would be another solid pick-up for Invicta). At 37, time really isn't on her side if she's going to make a statement in this sport, but she's still a very competent fighter.

It's amazing how with Katja Kankaanpää (10-1-1), Karolina Kowalkiewicz (6-0), Mizuki Inoue (9-2), Stephanie Eggink (4-2), Alexa Grasso (5-0), Alida Gray (4-1), and Livia Renata Souza (7-0), all of whom are arguably Top 20 fighters, Strawweight is still Invicta's deepest division even after the UFC basically reaped it.


Peggy "Daywalker" Morgan (2-2 pro, 2-0 amat.) really, really is better suited to Featherweight, so I'm kind of curious to see what she can do here. I want to try and build up her opponent and fellow ginger Andria Wawro (3-1 pro, 3-1 amat.), but considering she looked like a meth addict at the weigh-ins, and by far the best fighter on her resume is the one she lost to, that's kind of hard. I have to expect Morgan to be the heavy favorite here, and hopefully she won't have to go back to being an English Professor.


Also Roxy Modafferi (16-11) is fighting some late-replacement chick I'm totally unfamiliar with outside of her fighting at the last Invicta, Andrea Lee (2-0). I really don't know if Lee is any good or not, but if Modafferi is getting a softball match-up for once, it's only fair considering her resume.


Someone else can ramble about the opening two fights. Really, considering that the over-under for an Invicta event is that at least one fight is gonna get scratched too late to get a replacement, they really should book more than 10 fights next time.

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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

why is bibiano not in the ufc?

Bibiano and the UFC verbally agreed to a contract where he'd be start at $15k + $15k, and even had a fight lined up (it might have been for UFC 149). OneFC countered with an offer for $60k + $60k. Fernandes went with the money.

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LobsterMobster posted:

Invicta's next event is going to be on Friday, February 27 in Los Angeles. That just so happens to be the same weekend and city as Ronda vs Cat

Featherweight Title: Cristiane ‘Cyborg’ Justino (12-1, 1 NC) vs. Charmaine Tweet (6-4)
Strawweight: Alexa Grasso (6-0) vs. Mizuki Inoue (8-3)
Strawweight: DeAnna Bennett (6-0) vs. Lynn Alvarez (6-3)
Bantamweight: Irene Aldana (4-1) vs. Melanie LaCroix (3-2)
Strawweight: Jamie Moyle (1-0) vs. J.J. Aldrich (1-0)
Strawweight: Brianna Van Buren (3-1) vs. Amy Montenegro (5-1)
Flyweight: Christine Stanley (3-1) vs. Emily Corso (4-0)
Flyweight: Kristi Lopez (2-0) vs. Aspen (0-0)

Grasso vs Inoue is gonna be :krad:

gently caress, I thought I commented on this...
Some quick thoughts:
-Tweet's gonna die, but there was no one else really. She's better than Jan Finney at least, I guess.
-Winner of Grasso/Inoue probably gets Kankaanpaa for the title. Kowalkiewicz is apparently fighting for KSW soon so she was unavailable.
-It's a bit sad that DeAnna Bennett, who was the best remaining prospect at FLW, has left the division, but this is a really solid match-up. Alvarez is a quality signing.
-Aldana is clearly being given a softball here. I think the idea is she fights Evinger for the BW title if she wins this.
-Brianna Van Buren is another quality signing (strong wrestler out of AKA, holds a win over Patricia Vidonic, only loss was getting decisioned by Stephanie Eggink, 4-0 amateur record)
-Corso is apparently a really strong prospect with all her wins coming by stoppage, and was 5-0 as an amateur too.

-Only 8 fights? Wtf. It could be 6 by showtime with Invicta's track record on last-minute scratches.

-With the signing of Brianna Van Buren, practically the entire top 35 or so active Women's Strawweights now fall into one of the following categories:
-Signed to the UFC
-Signed to Invicta
-Jessica Aguilar, who is by most accounts #1 in the world
-recently destroyed by Jessica Aguilar
The WSoF have literally no one in the division they could sign and pit against JAG that isn't a comedy match. They may be able to dredge up someone from another division, but it'd still be ridiculous. They need to let her go.

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fatherdog posted:




Wonder if he means they've been done already, because 10 days ahead of time isn't very "out of competition"

Considering nearly half the main card is flying in from the U.K. for this one, it's not like they can do this a month in advance.

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Looks like Spike is going all out for Bellator 134:

Gotham Casting posted:



Love MMA? This is your chance to see it

up close & personal as our seat filler!!


Be our Seat filler for Bellator MMA 134 at Mohegan Sun!!!
Help bring the Energy for the Preliminary & MAIN event fights.


DATE: FRIDAY FEBRUARY 27

TIME: 5PM Check In

(Must stay until 10pm or the End)

LOCATION: MOHEGAN SUN

(exact check in location given upon confirming your RSVP)

DRESS: UPSCALE CASUAL

Think Lounge or Fun Night Out

ALL seat fillers must be 21+

SEAT FILLER ROLE:

SEAT FILLING is your FUN job for the night!

Gotham will have amazing, well dressed people that will fill in VIP or on camera seats throughout the show.

As VIP's/Celebrities show up late (or in some cases, not at all), YOU will fill those seats.

SO LOOK GREAT, be professional & courteous at all times!



Seatfillers will begin their night seated in holding area seats in the arena.

As the night goes on, we will bring seat fillers back & forth from the holding area to the on-camera area near the cage.

You may be sitting next to a celebrity/VIP or just get a great temporary seat… either way, ALL the seats are on camera areas!


We will ask you to leave the seats as our VIPs/celebrities comes back!!


When that happens you will get up from you temp seat & Gotham staff will escort you BACK to the Holding area seats to view fights until you are needed again.

This process will happen through out the show…

there is even a small chance to stay in the on camera seats for the entire show if the need exists!


First & foremost Gotham invites are expected to

AWAYS act professional
DO NOT ask celebrities for pictures/autographs
When Asked to leave seats, do so quickly
Be aware, this is a live show & you will be on camera

YOU are there to BE A SEAT FILLER, enjoy show & have fun!

**Travel light, please
**DO NOT bring large backpacks/purses/bags as there is no Space

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wooger posted:

They have reputable drug testing labs in the UK...

The entire premier league is subject to random WADA testing, we're apparently way on top of it compared to the US in fact.

I have no doubt that there are world class labs in the U.K., but my point is that the Mohegan Department of Athletic Regulation, specifically, was not gonna fly anyone across the Pacific. Nor are they going to hire people in the U.K. remotely (even Nevada doesn't hire people to do out-of-country testing). This, in fact, is the first time I've ever heard of a Tribal Athletic Commission doing out-of-competition testing period, which may go to show the how significant the recent UFC drug failures have been

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Wise Learned Man posted:

Who does jase1 have in this?

Also, is Karolina Kowalkiewicz no longer with Invicta? They have a card at the end of the month, and KK seems good and is also cute and thus marketable, so you'd think they'd have found a fight for her.

Invicta I believe either wanted Kowalkiewicz to fight Kankaanpää for the title, or face Grasso in a title eliminator (I think it was the latter), but KSW asked her to defend her title there, and they probably pay better. She's still under contract to Invicta as far as I know, but other than the Champions, no one's gonna fight for Invicta full time (and even then, Cyborg fights Muay Thai on the side).

Invicta doesn't come close to providing enough fights for all the fighters on their roster, even with the additional events. I'm kind of confused as to why the gently caress they're only doing 8 fights for Invicta 11 in fact, but maybe the UFC made the request so that viewers wouldn't be burned out ahead of UFC 184.

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EvanSchenck posted:

I remember a year or two ago there was this big MMA kerfluffle on Wikipedia. You know how the Wiki page for any given UFC event is basically the best resource for figuring out WTF is going on in them? Like they have the announcement, information about fighters dropping out and getting replaced, what happened at the weigh-ins, full results pf each fight 30 seconds after it ends, performance bonuses, all the information? And you can use them to cross-reference the fighters, previous events, etc.

Anyway a while back all the UFC event pages were getting deleted for "notability," and it wound up being this huge extended edit war where people kept reverting the deletions and somebody else would delete them again. It had to go through this whole extended idiot Wiki arbitration. I think they tried to "compromise" so that cards with a title fight could have their own page, but cards without championship bouts would only get abbreviated entries on the "2013 in UFC" summary page. Anyway through this stupid process it emerged that it was being done by a single insane nerd who obsessively hosed with MMA-related pages on wikipedia for months because he personally didn't like MMA. He had no legitimate reasoning at all for what he was doing, but because of how Wikipedia works it took forever to get it resolved.

I can't remember if he got overruled by the Wikipedia arbitrators or if he just gave up, but eventually it got back to full pages for each event.

If by months you mean 2 years, and it's actually much more complicated than that. There were more than one "deletionist," but one of them was on there approximately 50 hours a week. He also devoted about 80% of his attention to UFC pages and the occasional debuting UFC fighter while attacking other things (like indy MMA and random stuff like tennis and motorsports) just enough to avoid any sort of administrative issues until he rage quit when he finally got an official warning.

He also never laid a finger on the Bellator pages, while one of the people who seemed to be on his side in deletion logs actually helped make a lot of the Bellator pages. I found that extremely ominous, since he basically behaved as if deleting MMA off Wikipedia was a full-time job, which he was actually pretty good at.

If there's a silver-lining, it's that this all drew so much attention that Zane Simon got a job at Bloody Elbow out of it, since he had been maintaining the "List of Current UFC Fighters" page and that page ended up being a crucial flashpoint. Zane Simon's a pretty good dude.

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^^^^Hell, if Bjorn Rebney had put someone on payroll specifically to gently caress with UFC pages on Wikipedia, I wouldn't have been surprised. Not even kidding.

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Intel&Sebastian posted:

And the stories are always 2000x more fun that being involved in them.

Look, I got dragged in kicking and screaming man. The people who actually were trying to defend MMA articles for the most part weren't doing a great job. Some actually made things worse, like the guy who nominated 15 different names for a sock-puppet investigation. This just pissed the Admins off by being so ridiculous.

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DekeThornton posted:

I just watched Kianzad's fight, since I'm horribly nationalistic, and I really liked her boxing. She is improving pretty rapidly. Hopefully she gets a chance in the UFC soonish.

Shannon Knapp wants her to fight Evinger next.

That being said, she's already UFC-ready, and would be a nice pick-up for a division that absolutely could use a few quality signings right now.

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I came here to post that. Puts most UFC promos to shame.

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