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StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
A shorter Netflix series should encourage the shows to have longer and more complicated storylines. The big problem with Shield is that it is purely episodic threat of the week poo poo right now.

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StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Waterhaul posted:

And the DC train keeps on churning and Rob Thomas is working on an iZombie show for the CW (despite the series being cancelled last year).

Vertigo doesn't let creators keep their work? Roberson was booted off a DC book for voicing his opinions on Before Watchmen, so I could see this being awkward. It'll probably be a neat show, tho. It has a good episodic formula with a good pool of supernatural bullshit to bring in.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

bobkatt013 posted:

Nope unless its a special case then DC owns the characters.

If that's true I don't really see any reason to like Vertigo anymore. That news really depresses me.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
It would be great if someone did something with the idea that Rand grew up as a minority and didn't come to America until he was pretty old. Maybe that was played up in the original Power Man and Iron Fist, but it was fairly absent from Fraction's work.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Kingpin can have some depth, but I wouldn't call it a subtle role.
I haven't seen Under the Dome tho.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

omg chael crash posted:

I was hoping to see him punching The Spot and kissin' mob daughters.

This. We don't need Waid's DD for the whole thing, but the show shouldn't end with sad sack Murdock.
I need one shot of him wearing an "I'm Not Daredevil" shirt. Bonus points for an Asst DA trying to prove he isn't blind.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Waterhaul posted:

For all it's gloominess Born Again actually finishes Daredevil and gives him the happiest ending he'd ever want. It's the perfect :unsmith:

It's been a while since I read it, but I remember it being too dark. I could see a lot of it working, tho.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Yeah, I have no idea why but Shield is a solid idea, well rooted in the comics world, and is just bland and generic. Arrow is dumber than poo poo in so many ways, but I actually enjoy it. The last episode I saw had a former army command refuse to shoot the man he had been hunting down because HONOR! But it was a fine episode.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Anyone know the corporate relationship between DC and CW? DC is under the WB film division, and I assume the film and TV would be separate.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Morand posted:

DC just strikes me as doing anything without a real overall plan. I don't think they want to make one single overarching universe like marvel. They have movie money and tv money and that's all it is.

That said, tossing wonder woman into the superman movie just seems odd. So in the enxt movie you have to introduce lex, wonder woman, the new batman, and whatever else. It's going to be convoluted as gently caress and really not a superman movie.

I seem to remember folks at D.C.saying their characters were so iconic they didn't need to have a shared universe. I think this was around when MoS or green lantern was coming out, well before they decided to shove everyone into MoS 2

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

muscles like this? posted:

Anyway, for actual TV stuff, last night's Arrow introduced Barry Allen and he was a lot of fun. There's a little bit of Silver Age in him as he's constantly late for everything. Also the show was just taunting people last night because they had a scene with Barry climbing on a shelf full of dangerous chemicals while you heard lightning in the background.

Dumb poo poo like this is hard to get right, but Arrow tends to nail it.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Aphrodite posted:

That doesn't seem to be necessary to make a billion dollars and craft your big web of shared universes.

Nobody wants to touch a failure. That's a pretty good general rule, but it gets iron clad in dysfunctional places like DC.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Hulk was Universal, Iron Man was the first Marvel movie.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Marvel movies also take on comic writers as script advisors. I think the first Spider-Man did add well but I don't know if Nolan did for Batman. Green Lantern did have Johns advising...

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Waterhaul posted:

According to Fraction and others the advising that they do is sit in a room for a day and just say ideas at producers and that's pretty much it. Pretty much every comic book film does it to say they are staying "true to the source material".

Oh. I noticed that writers stopped bragging about doing it so I assumed they'd stopped, maybe it just isn't worth bragging about

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

bobkatt013 posted:

No Winter Soldier was create by Simon and Kirby. He revamped him, and elements of that are going to be in the movie.

Do you mean they created Bucky or is there more to it?

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Arrow is dumber than poo poo but it is really enjoyable poo poo if you Band of Bros trapped on plot device island, or the adventures of bad idea vs bad idea.
The whole thing behind season 1 is a conspiracy to build an earthquake machine to kill the poor. If you aren't interested in that you aren't interested in Arrow.
Still disappointed by the lack of socialist or anti-fascist rhetoric.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

muscles like this? posted:

The annoying thing about the whole Flash stuff is that Arrow is kind of a victim of its own success because they were originally going to have Barry back later in the season to give him a backdoor pilot to his own show but CW executives loved what they saw of these two episodes and decided to give the show a proper pilot. Unfortunately this means we won't see Barry back as the Flash any time soon.

I only saw his first episode, but they did a pretty good job with Barry Allen. I especially like his Monster Hunter thing.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Cardboard Box A posted:

According to someone who works at CN, the relationship between all the Time Warner subsidiaries is basically like the Microsoft Org Chart:



That would explain all the "can't use DC movie characters in the DC tv shows" - they weren't from execs thinking of the brand and not confusing people with multiple versions, they were from inter-agency turf wars and naturally the movie studios always won out.
That makes sense. A place doesn't get as dysfunctional as DC is on its own, it tends to reflect troubled parents. As above, so below.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
My favorite story about Time-Warner management

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Needs More Namor

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Heathen posted:

Maybe Marvel is letting things slide because I'm pretty sure Universal Studios being bought out by NBC and NBC being bought out by Comcast all happened in the last eight years. Extenuating circumstances?

I don't know poo poo about the situation, but I guarantee you being nice has nothing to do with it

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Zoom was pretty clearly hinted at in Barry Allen's guest spot on Arrow, and is pretty much the source of Barry wanting to be a hero, so it should be a very long term thing.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Arrow still needs an old, rich playboy socialist, but otherwise it is good bad TV. As opposed to AoS which is just bad TV, and I really want to like it.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

muscles like this? posted:

According to Arrow's producers even if the CW doesn't pick up Flash for series they're keeping Grant Gustin's Barry, he'll just move to Starling City.

Arrow's biggest superpower has always been the ability to not feel completely useless and outclassed.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
NBC is pretty hosed, aren't they?

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
TV in general, and superhero shows in particular, should be more willing to end stories and write off characters who's arc is done.

Comics has that problem too, but it tends to get spread out over multiple series, not coming up year after year in the same series.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
I don't know how big $4 mil is in something like this, but it seems a bit silly. What were they going to do, move DD to Hell's Kitchen, Toronto?

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

bobkatt013 posted:

So the season will end with an apperence of Lockjaw? The season could also end with Black Bolt appearing speaking and next season is just the Inhumans and Coulson.

Season ends with Coulson, no shirt, riding Lockjaw and shooting guns. Lockjaw has a shoulder tattoo of the same scene.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
I am liking forward to making fun of a lovely Constantine show. At worst, I'm guessing it'll be drunk detective mage learns valuable lesson, or drunk wizard in an urban version of lost.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Gotham, city of dumb expressions.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Stories about the Wayne legal defense and PR team, dealing with their boss's outlandish requests, mysterious absences, injuries, and dead girlfriends.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Waterhaul posted:

Ya'll posting about spoilers (and non comic book ones at that) when you should be posting about this.


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This rules, Scalped rules.

Endless Mike posted:

Does Scalped get good? I read the first trade and thought the art was hideous and the main character completely unlikeable.

If you don't like it from the start, I don't think you'll like it ever. The art stays dark and scratchy, the main character is a real torn up jerk with no good choices left, not a Wolverine style noir hero who talks about how mean he is and constantly redeems himself. Scalped is about a community under attack from the outside and the inside, and you can count the number of happy moments on one hand.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Soonmot posted:

Scalped is one of the bleakest books I have ever read. I love it, but I have doubts over how it would translate to TV.

It definitely has a ton of pitfalls it needs to avoid, but if nothing else I'm glad Scalped gets a bit more exposure and Aaron gets a bit of a payday.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
I thought Jessica Jones was in 4 years, just before they do the Defenders series

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
John Slattery for Howard, go full on Mad Men with spies.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
I haven't watched the last 2 episodes, did Skye become good to watch yet? May, Fitz, and Simmons have all grown on me. Coulson has been disappointingly lame, and Skye seems like she'd be good in a completely different place.

I think a big part is that Fitz, Simmons, and May are the only ones who seem like they belong at SHIELD. Coulson spent too much time freaking out about a spy agency that keeps secrets, and Skye just isn't a character.

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!

Aphrodite posted:

Finding the alien in Agent Carter would be a nice tie-in.

I think Carter will be airing age or alongside shield 2

StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
"Random folks get powers, try to figure out what's going on and save the world" is an old and solid idea. No idea why they'd want to take anything more than that core idea from Heroes.

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StumblyWumbly
Sep 12, 2007

Batmanticore!
Man, if they need a Japanese hero, they should just bring in Most Excellent Superbat. Perfect counterpart of Green Arrow.

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