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InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.
Getting a second undergraduate degree is sort of fun even though I sort of feel like that kid who was too dumb for grad school (I'm coming for you, PhD). But poo poo I forgot how bad lower division courses are. Choice quotes from my math instructor (easily the worst teacher I've ever had in 17 years of education):

"Hurry up and answer guys it's not rocket science" (as brand new baby freshman struggle to enter answers into a lovely unresponsive clicker on a 45-second timer).

"I have a great trick to memorize this but if you want to learn it you'll have to come see me out of class some time."

"I hope you got that email I sent last night about printing out that document for today because if you didn't that sucks for you."

The lights flickered a few times during one lecture: "is someone in the back doing that? Seriously if someone's doing that on purpose everyone should just...kill you" (it turned out to be a kid in a wheelchair who didn't realize the switch was there and he was pressing it, or possibly his aide who was leaning against it? She had to email an apology to everyone).

Her lectures are a rushed, irritated audiobook version of the textbooks. Honestly I don't understand why she seems so angry at her class the whole time. This isn't high school, the kids aren't that aggravating and they mostly just shut up and let her talk but she started day one with a lovely lecture about how if we texted, talked, used laptops or anything in class she'd kick us out, as if we were just the worst thing she had to deal with all day. I mean, I get it. These classes aren't fun to teach and it's boring low-level math that everyone just wants to get through and move on from. But I have no idea why she's so angry.

Also: she put a question on our midterm (MC/scantron) with no right answer. Shook my confidence a little but I could tell it was sketch. No worries, she threw it out and apologized. Then she out another problem of the same type up on the board for us to do (on those stupid clickers).

There was no right answer on that one either.

It wasn't a joke.

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InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.

Inspector Zenigata posted:

A person I have had several classes with raped a girl I know and even though the school found him guilty he didn't get expelled. My school is usually ranked in the top five or ten most liberal colleges in the US, so this is making a HUGE controversy that I am unfortunately personally close to, and it's happening right during an academically stressful period that has been extremely trying for me.

People are theorizing that he didn't get expelled because he's a famous philanthropist that started a really famous charitable organization and chose to go to college here, so he's sort of a poster boy for the school.

You can just link to an article about it or something. Everybody knows where you go to school (you said so on the last page of this thread and a bunch of times in the old tumblr thread) so I don't think you need to worry about anonymity or anything.


That's really sucky, though. Just try and put it out of your mind until finals are over. Support your friend, but try and put outrage and collegiate politics (the worst thing) away and focus on your classwork - One of the best things I learned in my undergrad was how to support loved ones without derailing my own life.

In bitter campus news, it snowed on Friday (so, a week ago). They cancelled classes Friday. Okay, whatever, there were some final review sessions I wanted to go to but it really was dangerous.

Then on Sunday night they cancelled Monday finals and moved them to Tuesday.

Then on Monday night they cancelled half of Tuesday's finals and moved them all to Friday. This sucks for me because I now have to miss work on Friday. Bet it sucks more for the kids who already bought plane tickets home.

The conditions today were exactly the same as they were on Monday morning.

InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.

Double Plus Good posted:

Bad group story: The one time I got a bad gut feeling about a group I was in, I followed that intuition and asked to leave the group and do the project solo. The girls I was paired up with didn't make any effort to include me in the planning or meetings, and when I asked what I could do for the presentation, said "Oh, well, we've already done it all." Being a deadbeat and being given no chance to even contribute to a major portion of your grade are different, so my professor understood and let me do the entire project by myself in a day or two. Turns out I was right and their presentation was boring as gently caress and inaccurate! The class was about multiculturalism and we were supposed to present about a different culture. They did Deaf Culture and spent the entire presentation talking about the etiology and anatomy of deafness, and cochlear implants. Not the issues in the Deaf community surrounding cochlear implants, but the actual process and theory behind it. If you're going to do a presentation on Deaf culture, you should at least understand the difference behind big-D Deaf and little-d deaf. The ASL translator in our class found it so offensive she actually stood up and said "This doesn't represent Deaf culture at all, so I'm going to speak on that a little." The professor commented to them that she didn't even know how to grade them, since technically their presentation didn't even fill the assignment requirements. Meanwhile, I did Judaism and had my Jewish friend bring in traditional foods and a blow a shofar. :hfive: Exclude me from the project, will you?? It felt good to be justified in my hesitation to let some random people take the reigns.

I don't what a shofar is so I'm going with "a type of Jewish person".

InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.

melon cat posted:

Yeah, you feel like cattle walking into that place. One of my friends at that time almost had a panic attack when we had our first class in that massive lecture hall. In his words: "I just found out that Con Hall seats Over a thousand students! I'm from Tweed. Our population's about 6000."

This was my experience, as well. In University, you spent most of your time writing term papers that had a bullshit:content ratio of 50:50. At CC, we actually had business clients who were in partnership with the CC, and we had to do *real* work for them. If you didn't deliver, you had nothing to present. If you had nothing to present, you looked like a complete idiot in front of the clients, the program's director, and your peers. And if you slacked off in class and didn't retain anything you learned, you looked like an even bigger dummy in your work placement. A lot more relevant to real life than "You didn't properly cite this 10-year old peer-reviewed document so you're betting a B-."

Ugh. I dreaded talking to the admin staff at University. I've never seen such a small amount of power go to someone's head so badly.

Whatup U of T buddy, I took BIO 150 in Con Hall. More kids in that one room than in my entire high school. Making friends in classes is a breeze, right?

That said, I think that I actually got a great education for the year or so I was there, and it is so unbelievably, unbelievably cheap to go to school in Canada compared to the US that I can't complain. Coming from the states (but being a Canadian citizen), it was insane. At one point the kids around me were like "hey we're going to march through Sid Smith for lower tuition rates, do you want to come?" and I just couldn't, in good faith, go march. Like, tuition for my whole year was something like $4000 or something. For one of the top 40 schools in the world. I see it's gone up since then, but even still -- at my middling State University (for which I pay resident tuition), I pay more than twice that.

InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.

Doctor Chaxtical posted:

I also hate how much damage an F can do to a GPA. The whole thing is ridiculous. Also, I don't think attendance should ever be part of a grade. Hell, maybe they can make it extra credit, but if you're in college and you don't go to class, you shouldn't get penalized for wasting your own money. Also, being in class doesn't reflect whether or not you know the course material, especially when almost every powerpoint a teacher gives these days is online, and half the classwork is online.

Hey I'm also at OSU and recommend it,and your story sounded really weird and awful. Please get out of WOU, partly because it's obvious that you absolutely need to live off-campus with not-insane people and in a place where it's much more difficult for you to engage in drama, and partly because it's a terrible school. Please stop talking to all those people and definitely significantly increase the time you spend talking to a mental health specialist. Try to consider the possibility that while it was wildly mishandled, not everyone you talked to was set against you for no reason (and recognize that a common symptom of bipolar is poor ability to recognize how your behavior comes off to others).

WOU and SOU, and somewhat EOU are going to all going to face some significant challenges with the dissolution of the State Board of Higher Education in favor of a coordinating committee and private boards. While OSU has land/sea/air grants to help fund them and Ed Ray to help set up a board that will probably serve students fairly well, UO is putting together a board that may bring the school more prestige but will cost Oregon students significant amounts of money in the long run. It will be run by Phil Knight and his cronies, who keep the ducks in uniforms but aren't all that interested in mitigating student costs.

SOU may go broke, it's unclear. WOU and EOU are going to have to make some serious organizational changes. Quietly transfer while you can. When you get to OSU, apply yourself. And for god's sake, study science while you're here. It's not a great school for the humanities, unfortunately, but it's one of the best Ag Science schools in the world, and has some solid mid-level state college programs in a number of other sciences. It also has more robust student support than I've seen anywhere else, and even disorganized 18 year olds can pass CH231 here if you do literally anything at all except drink beer all day. (Drop in tutoring by TAs! For every major intro class!)

Or go to UO, if you only need a couple years it's as good a state school as any for history. Avoid PSU. It's not bad, but it's a commuter school and it won't have some of the services that OSU and UO have that could really benefit a student like you. It also has about 1/16th of the prestige in all its undergraduate programs, which is saying something because none of our state schools are *really* shining stars.

InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.

KiteAuraan posted:

Yes it is, but even that isn't enough. It is a large state university.

You must be referring to ASU, the largest non-primarily-online university in the country. There are only 58,000 kids on the Tempe campus though, even if total enrollment caps 80,000.

InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.

Dr_Amazing posted:

Giving people the grades they deserve doesn't sound so bad. Or is this like a batman thing?

Even if you know the material, you still have to do the work, because doing the work is the demonstration of knowing the material. They can't give everyone special snowflake ways to prove they've learned it, so everyone has to demonstrate in the same way and against the same guidelines. Thus, you can deserve an A because you mastered all the material and memorized the textbook and still earn an F due to being too hungover to go to the final.

InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.

Dusty Baker 2 posted:

I spoke to the ACLU about my previous school, which I detailed earlier in this thread like a year ago. I could win that case easily, sure, but I've been in school for 6 years now. I did 2 years in community college to become a firefighter, then got into a car wreck and hosed up my back, so I went to Western Oregon University for 3 years for History. I ended up having to leave there because of my grades and transferred to Evergreen State College, and after I'd left WOU they held my conduct meeting. I wasn't allowed on campus for it, so I couldn't go to it, but not going to it was an admission of guilt (as they said, I was guilty until proven innocent). I've got another year here and I just want to get my schooling over with so I can move on with my life. I just want to be left alone.

Something was very off about your story last year and there is something very off about this story also. Are you living in the dorms still? If so, why? It sounds like you're roughly 22-23 and dorms are often not a healthy place to live if you have mental health issues. Living off-campus will help alleviate the pressure from some of the draconian rules that are covered under "conduct violations".

InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.

CrotchDropJeans posted:

^ I'm sorry dude :( I went through something similar when I started my PhD program--I accepted a stipend that said I'd get paid on the 30th of every month. Academic year officially started on August 20th, but I had to be in town a week before that for orientation, so the only thing keeping me sane as I scraped together every last penny to move across the country and pay deposits and utilities was the thought of getting paid on August 30th. Until I got there and found out I got paid starting September 30th. Even though it was an explicit condition of my employment that I be there in mid-August.

My school also had a six-week lag time, even for research positions. Last year, my roommate started research on June 15th (start of new pay period, runs 15th-15th), and didn't get paid until August 1st due to a two-week lag time between end of pay period and paycheck. It is awful, and it's awful in a way that frequently occurs during the brokest time of someone's life. Universities suck like that.

InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.

gentle pete posted:

There's a guy in my class who takes all his notes on a laptop. Except, he connects a mechanical keyboard to it and uses that to type. :psyduck: It's loud as gently caress and incredibly annoying when you're trying to listen to the professor. It's not a cheapo keyboard from walmart, either, it looks like one of those specialty nerd things that cost hundreds of dollars. He also brings up stuff like tungo at inappropriate times during class. Wow, we are all so impressed by your knowledge. :rolleyes:

Send this human a polite email telling him that the mechanical clacking is distracting. If he pushes back offer to buy him a cheapo 10 dollar quiet one.

Or steal his great keyboard and receive a free keyboard. Your call.

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InEscape
Nov 10, 2006

stuck.

Kavak posted:

If UC Merced ever hatches plans for a football stadium I will return to help sabotage the thing.

While I'm sure they can get their lawyers to do whatever, the nice thing about Merced is that the vernal pool/wetland complex that surrounds it on however many sides is protected as part of their endowment, so they can only sludge out in non-wetland directions.

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