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jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I'd 100% get back onboard with FFXI if they'd change the UI to be ... anything else.

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jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I know I should just use macros to have me push a button and my dude use fast blade but I also just don't like the weird menu systems.

The trusts are just squadron dungeons I believe. FFXI has trusts to circumvent the group requirement for open-world activities but FFXIV doesn't really have group requirements for non-instanced content, so into the instances they go! Squad dungeons are pretty hit or miss, they gently caress up a lot of mechanics and some dungeons are normally very easy but frustratingly difficult with squads.

It'd be neat-o to have your retainers act as a trust though.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I have been playing FFXIV real good and did all the content and all my poo poo is at a good pre-expansion point. I did Eureka for a bit and it made me get nostalgic for FFXI and, in true Stockholm Syndrome fashion, I downloaded the trial and got into it. After a 6-hour download (:wtc:), I'm level 20 and man this game is actually good now? I ran across the world and can go back and forth between Bastok/Sandoria.

The trial means I can't interact with the auction house but I don't need to because I have about 6000 sparks and can get any gear I want through that. Frankly I could give a gently caress about endgame poo poo which I imagine is where the bad/dumb part is. I play RDM so between the spells and weapon skills I have a good amount of options to kill dudes. I just never went through the story when I played it 10+ years ago and figured I could blast through it now.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Well I'm a 30 RDM and 20 on all the other starter jobs since they each only took like 2 hours each. The Sparks system is insanely good exp. It was a great nostalgia trip, but now I'd actually like to do the story or whatever since I could give a poo poo about endgame stuff.

Back in the day I fully Ignored the story and pretty much all content and only tried to get levels, and I quit at like 40 on a DRK. This time I figure I'll instead try to do the story.

Only thing is I don't know what the story is or where it starts or in what order things are supposed to be. At the end of the day, I'm under the impression that I'm supposed to do my San'doria rank missions and then that is supposed to lead into the expansions sequentially?

Also I got a pop up about rhapsodies of vanadiel, is that something I'm supposed to gently caress with? I know doing that will increase the amount of trusts I can have which is very valuable. I hate Adelbert or whatever I just want a Trust that'll spam fire or blizzard or whatever. And a healer that won't blow all their mana on enfeebling stuff.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I see. So is the goon link shell dead or should I get in on that?

E: also how would I find y'all?

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

poo poo man this trial is nuts I've done so much with such a small amount of game time. Normally the trials are stupid restrictive but nowadays I'm digging it. I'm upset I can't get the RoV stuff until I buy but I figured I'd do as much as I can on this trial first before I dig in to the game for real.

It's absurd how fast you level now. Between all the sparks objectives just dumping EXP at you, and the chariot band being given to you early on, it takes like 3 hours to get to 30. Black mage was the fastest thing, too. If you get one of those books to put refresh on you, you'll level up before you run out of MP spamming the most powerful spell you have. And there's a bunch of stupid sparks objective things that do things like "heal 100 HP without recovery magic" to get 1500 EXP. Like, huh?

The worst part was unlocking DRK since I had WAR at lvl 1 and 0 greatsword skill, but I played DRK back in the day so I felt I needed to do that again. That and leveling up weapons generally. RNG missed about 70% of the time until about 25 which was awful.

Play this game goons, play the trial at least !

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I read a post on reddit about making the game look good. I made it run in 60 FPS and with a lower gamma which made the colors really vibrant or whatever and holy poo poo. Windower is incredible.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Apparition posted:

lmao how do I vanquish this beast?

I have a feeling it has to do with your playonline ID/Password which was what I first had an issue with.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Windower at 60FPS and certain color settings really makes this game look really really good.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Do notaru play a private server-werver!

I am very glad Tarutaru speech didn't make it into FFXIV.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

My friend, play retail FFXI. You’re missing out on nothing compared to classic/servers but you don’t have to deal with other players who want to suffer. FFXI updates/upgrades are not like WoW’s at all. You still play the original game in largely the same way.

FFXI classic is a bad and unfun game, and the updates since haven’t made the game easier, they just removed a lot of the stupid time-wasting bullshit.

There is still a lot of time wasting bullshit, of course, but not nearly as much.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I can't imagine playing vanilla FFXI and saying "no, no, I need it to be more annoying and lovely" and gleefully going onto a hardcore FFXI server.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Kazy posted:

Devs have said they don't have any snapshots, and there would be a huge debate what "classic" even means.

Vanilla would be an okay place to stop, narratively speaking. Mechanically getting 75 was/is a motherfucker, and you’d never see the same “what now” poo poo that WoW classic players have today. Plus the Dark Lord is actually still a pretty difficult boss, even if you’re not going in blind.

But hopefully, if there is a God, this would never happen. People should just play retail. You do all the same poo poo and it’s still slow but instead of 10 hours of grinding to level up after 3 hours of organizing a group, it’s like 30 minutes total with trusts. Instead of having to hoof it back and forth from the Dunes, you can just use the fast travel system which still requires you to dodge enemies and run out there at least once. Instead of having to kneel down and rest for MP for 5 minutes you can just have refresh on for an hour and rest a little bit here and there. You’ll still die, you’ll still get chased by goblins that kill you in 3 hits and make you delecel, etc. and you’ll still waste a lot of time just not NEARLY as much time.

It’s also, somehow, fun! I have never played FFXI endgame so I have no idea what that’s about.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I think most people identify CoP as Vanilla that I know and that’s deifnitely “Vanilla” to me.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

The biggest thing about it being accessible is that a shitload of quests have absolutely zero explanation or direction, and if you ever start something and come back to it a month later there’s basically zero way to know what step you’re on or what you were supposed to do because the only direction was in a vague hint during a cutscene.

Some guy is like “skeletons are weird” and then you’re supposed to collect a dragon’s horn from the desert to deactivate a power plant.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Spectral Jig is a DNC ability that gives you sneak/invis for basically free. The books can too for a pittance, but those aren’t as easily reapplied if your AF poo poo takes forever.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

pretty soft girl posted:

Sometimes I reflect on the days of trying to escort an entire party as a RDM through kuftal tunnel to cape terrigan before sneak oils and prism powders were commonplace

Then I quietly weep for my wasted adolescence

Wasted? You helped all those other teenagers have a great time, and they probably remember the helpful stranger here and there while they go about their days. Old MMOs have a very humanizing aspect to their bullshit.

I remember the name of the son of a bitch who exploited me for cheap labor in vanilla WoW who offered me 1g for every stack of copper ore I brought him. AH price was 5G a stack and I definitely gave him like 20 stacks. I didn’t know how the AH worked and a gold seemed like an absurdly high amount of money, so.

I also still remember a white mage in FFXI who stayed and healed our Valkurm Dunes party after he outleveled us and healed us all from outside the party for like hours, until we all caught up to him.

FFXI memories are the best because it seemed like the world/game was oppressive and lovely but for the people which made the interactions so much more meaningful. People were incredibly helpful above the call of duty.

Time spent helping people, even in a bad video game, is never time wasted :unsmith:

Don’t play WoW

jokes fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Feb 13, 2021

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I think it’s absurd how great this game looks when you do the graphics things. I installed a texture mod that was only like 600MB and, along with Windower optimizations and setting the frame rate to 60, this PS2 video game is stupid pretty.

Shame about how the giant white structures look. Just mounds of birdshit and there’s nothing you can do about it.

As strange as it seems, I’d like to reset a job level. I assume there’s no way to do so?

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

SerCypher posted:

What texture mod did you use?

I've been using vanilla and it still looks really good. There is definitely an aesthetic.







e: It's called "Amelia's Overhaul" or something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbpXFtMYn00

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EI2VZ5KH28zCKhbN04gg7McBPQdRr2mm/view

It's in this google drive and it's updated semi-frequently.

jokes fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Mar 2, 2021

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I love the old fights because if you do them as an appropriate level it's clearly still very challenging. I fought the Dark Lord or whatever and it was pretty dang challenging.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

star eater posted:

M+KB players in FFXI boggle the gd mind

Yeah even the menus are easier to navigate with a gamepad.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

You can be anything and it doesn’t really matter!

I personally recommend RDM because it encourages you to learn a bunch of magic and wears gear that a lot of classes can wear so it makes it easier to play/try out others. Also let’s you level up a wide variety of skills.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Hell yeah. I assume you’re aware of how teleports work? Like via the books?

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

It sucks how dumb it is to get a chocobo but I really wish they gave you a chocobo instead of a raptor.

Is there even a chocobo mount you don't have to raise?

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I hope FFXI, if it ever gets shut down, is converted into a wholly single-player game. With trusts it’s already almost there. Add in some “buy anything” vendors for random quest items or special armor/weapons you’d normally need to buy off the AH, have a 10,000 slot storage, and it could be a very chill time.

FF14 and FF11 probably won’t ever shut down because of how much money and content they make (and their legacy at this point).

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

The cool thing about the LB quests too is that they are only ever completed once. And since it’s kind of unusual to ever have an alt, doing it in 2004 or whenever meant never doing it again. As a consequence it’s very much a rite of passage or whatever you want to call it, because you absolutely have to clear it to move ahead and everyone “above” you already has.

The closest thing in other MMOs is probably just getting to level cap?

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

You can make a shitload of money by buying, I think, Acheron shields and then just vendoring them.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Free to start over !!

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Alive, refuses to die, who’s to say

In any event it’s an excellent way to spend some time, a memory trip down a fun/accessible version of an unfun and legendarily inaccessible video game. It’s also, honestly, pretty dang fun. But only if you understand what the gently caress was going on back then. Trying to convince, like, a zoomer to check it out after playing FF14 or WoW or, gently caress, any video game would be an awful idea.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

They should sell subligars

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I loved FFXI’s armor designs. I really hate the floor-length robes of a lot of modern caster designs, and I really hate the big shoulder pads/big armor look that a lot of games have. FFXI armor always seemed really great, and often understated. Which makes sense considering a good chunk of them have been sitting in a box at the bottom of a cave for a long time.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

About to do my annual re-run through final fantasy XI. Just a cool and chill time running around, grinding mobs, and doing an absurd amount of drugs which only enhances the experience.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Oh man that would be such a good time! Perfect couch experience. Especially if you can get Windower and controller mods working.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

You’ll more than likely be on your own. Asura has a functioning economy and most people start there

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

And also to heal them and their mp

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Sounds like you should start over as you can redo all of that in a day

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I like that jacket a lot

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

You’ll spend more time grinding the things to get the drops you need for subjobs than the time you spend doing the rest of vanilla’s story.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Caps aren't targets, they're limits set up to save the most broke-brained among us from ourselves. I really wouldn't worry about sparks (or anything) in FFXI other than having a good time vibing.

FF14 mercifully has low currency caps and low weekly caps so a lot of people quickly hit cap and then try to find something fun to do instead of grinding whatever.

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jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

The first boss of FFXI claims another victory

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