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GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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xanthan posted:

So if I read this right everyone is a mage, just not in conscious control of what they do and thus not a capital M Mage. Because they can't control it it just defaults to reinforcing what they believe, hence paradox where their magic bitch slaps someone trying to use magic to go against what they believe.

That about right?



In a nutshell. I'm sure yet another person who knows more about metaphysics of Mage explains it even more in-depth, my knowledge comes from just wiki-diving and stuff.

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GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Was that Methuselah of the Old Clan with... Dominate was it, instead of Vicissitude? They certainly got the noble attitude.

Technocracy has at least some foundation in "stabilizing" the world, and probably also for dealing with rampart Mages such as Nephandi and Marauders - servants of Abyss and insane Mages who manifest any Paradox in their environment instead of being slapped, somewhat like Witches in Puella Magi, respectively. At some point it started taking proactive approach with "Reality Deviants" which includes any Mage anywhere.

There's the central conflict titled as Reality War or somesuch, don't recall the exact term. It's also full of internal politics, which caused at least Virtual Adepts and Sons of Ether to switch sides.

GuyUpNorth
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And they sort of majorly pissed off Tzimisce at their creation, after they drained a Methuselah of clan in question. Saulot isn't that relevant, since only 7 remain in modern times - libel campaign and all that within Camarilla.

So they probably buddied-up with Camarilla to have meatshields and security in case Fiends ever decided to pay back, in addition to providing that magic niche.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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So if I got this right, Marauders are at best "point them at those guys" kind of deal if Mage/faction in question finds them at least beneficial in some way.

Do either side of Ascension War have dedicated Nephandi/Marauder Task Force, or are they under the generic purview of respective internal police who then call higher-ups if they happen to bump into one?

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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And even better, France allegedly sold it in a porn bag because of that vagina.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Powergamer would theoretically go "stake me for 40 days and nights, pull it out after", and have Yahweh/ST still ash him for not having redeemed themselves. If someone actually pulled it like that, I'd love to see their reaction.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Exactly what effects? There's that Vandal issue where you can tell sickest possible story at really low and keep the blood going...

But I also tend to keep it high, just in case I never frenzy. And Torries with the double gain/loss make it pretty easy.

GuyUpNorth
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Go thin enough and those are about as much as irritations. It's something like 15th or so, where you barely qualify as a vampire anyway.

GuyUpNorth
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Revenants(?) are are just result of breeding ghouls for generations until the traits stick, as I recall. But generalizing Sabbat precursors and shovelheads, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled something like that.

GuyUpNorth
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Is the "we were reality-warping Mages centuries ago" bit of background kept tight in upper layers of the Pyramid then, with only founders and their immediate members? Because Tremere don't seem the kind of people to just wipe out information, even if it's huge embarrassment to their legitimacy as vampires.

GuyUpNorth
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It was how-to on killing Black Court, possibly sponsored by White AFAIK. Been a while since I read those early books available at local library.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Gunbunny Toreador has that pretty easy, but I just cheese the Vozhd(?) with SPAS. The fatties fall to one clip of Uzi or whatever Wesp has renamed it. It's just tedious and still annoying with the labyrinth level.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Do some sidequests for the glorious B

I do find the Toreador-specific (or is it the only available even) response somewhat odd, when Gary is relatively handsome compared to Bertram Tung.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Figuring you'll handle Chinatown in next update, I'll provide a little request (possible spoilers): In one playthrough I managed to ask Ming-Xiao about California and Cathayan in Santa Monica, but not in following runs. If you'd go through possible dialogue paths and see if that exists anymore.

GuyUpNorth
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And explaining Kuei-Jin in relative terms to other splats is that they are Risen from Wraith. Exalted also uses the Hun/P'o distinction from Chinese theology and KoE, further driving the abandoned backstory metaplot.

GuyUpNorth
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Humanity 10 was also something like "selfish thoughts", to emphasize Buddhist monks.

GuyUpNorth
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Consensual Reality and all that, just go far enough.

GuyUpNorth
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Cult of Ecstacy, where getting baked is totally valid paradigm. So is sex, drugs and probably rock 'n roll.

GuyUpNorth
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And very high Arete and/or Sphere Mages, who start suffering from ambient Paradox. No idea if it's an enforced rule or way around "there is a literal God around somewhere, and you can talk to them" problem that might come from fluff.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Too bad his name likely isn't John "I rigged a wormhole bomb to my biological conditions, so sit up and listen" Chrichton, given that I think Farscape started airing too late for it to be possible?

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Psion posted:

There is apparently a reason for why that actually works, someone posted it in the thread. Something about willpower rolls?

Resisting Dominate is some sort of opposed willpower roll (with presumably generational limits), but better wait for someone like Vicissitude to expand with proper book knowledge. Andrei being diablerized is also possible.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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I *think* all WW games use the Resource system - more dots you have, wealthier you are et cetera. Regardless, mundane stuff like shotguns is very much easier on the Masquerade than anything suspect like pointing at person and they keel over.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Are Hunters of Bach's Creed (Avenger or whatever the "indiscriminately kill all supernaturals" he presumably follows) big on knowledge beyond killing them in general?

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Mad Scientist: the Game.

GuyUpNorth
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Last time I played, that string melody was with any katana or related, which at that point meant the shin gunto from Cathayan or katana proper - game ran into the nice cache bug from plus patch trying to get Kiki out.

Are you open to any "true" ending, or are you leaving out obviously stupid ones like trusting Sebastian and Ming-Xiao?

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Tossing out two votes here, and pick whichever fits better

Strauss - as pretty much everyone has said, he's played it straight with us all the time and regardless of possible allies, Melissa is still of clan Ventrue and deep down probably prefers organization where she can gather practical power as opposed to Anarch approach of trading boons.

gently caress everything 2 - that dangerously low humanity could lead to conclusion of "gently caress it, I'm going to get some power here and now". And odds of an Antediluvian being there outweigh any risk of backfiring.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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While :spergin: on ghouls, do they inherit any traits from their domitor? Knox mentions something about rash, Malkavian Heather goes somewhat crazy and Romero is seemingly good shot (as presumably Isaac's ghoul). Is that aspect of VtM proper, and how intense is it?

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Tyrone Biggums posted:

Look at this guy who isn't playing a Toreador with maxed Firearms, Perception, Presence, and Auspex :mmmhmm:

Quite enough already, but you forgot Celerity for Matrix lobby. Debuffing and pushing Firearms to 13 is just overkill.

GuyUpNorth
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Beckett says something to the effect of "get the key before Sebastian has his gorilla smash this open" after you retrieve it.

GuyUpNorth
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Mental image of him just being tired of this poo poo is amusing.

GuyUpNorth
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Going by the VV striptease, animating two vampires humping and possibly biting each other is very hard and would end up janky as hell at best.

GuyUpNorth
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ThisIsNoZaku posted:

Almost 100% sure it's never made explicit but the most commonly accepted fan theory is that he's Caine.

Apparently that was what Troika intended, but that raised up a shitstorm on WW forums where superspergs started complaining about how it didn't fit the metaplot or somesuch. That may have prompted the Caine hosed off to a cave, Beckett found him, blablala "canon" of Gehenna. And the Methuselah theory has been posted here already.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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You can call LaCroix out on the alliance and he responds with something like "yes it's true, but it's water under the bridge now". One of the alternate endings for Melissa also shows how desperate LaCroix is, though even that may be just disguising personal hunger.

Relating to escape chat, what are the other ways PC could escape? I presume in tabletop Gangrel could turn into bat and fly away, but are Celerity dots here enough to run down the wall?

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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When Jack says something like giving a gently caress about devil in life, why would a long-dead king be any different?

GuyUpNorth
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It was some WoD goon who posted about Assamites in this thread. Baali cursed them first with that appetite, Tremere came in later. Ur-Shulgi woke up, went "lolnope" at Tremere but because Baali were around his time, that curse is much harder to break.

GuyUpNorth
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Do Kindred shrink up like that? General theory is that he was Lamastu's ghoul, her being the blood-drinker Lilith in the sarcophagus.

GuyUpNorth
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Are you math nerds talking about the method that goes "a = b+c so substitute a with b+c until you get one number for one of those variables", because that was not quite university but high school.

GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Certain comic book nerd made a vid about Bloodlines. While we're working through Antitribu, you might want to give him a look for outsider's perspective of game.

GuyUpNorth
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For all I know, they stuck a loving Marauder somewhere in the end and they are the reason this is some serious bizarro Los Angeles.

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GuyUpNorth
Apr 29, 2014

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Sorta relevant Hellblazer panels. These are from Ellis' Setting Sun I think, my library doesn't have too many trades to dig through. Just swap xenomorph for demon.

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