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Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Tias posted:

:stalinsay:

Seriously though, large-scale executions would have been necessary to get rid of the "elite" (how do you get the right people? You need to take away heirs as well), and it tends to have side effects, like a lack of skilled administrators and a terrorized populace willing to fight back.

Of course there would have to be large scale executions. It would've been worth it, though.

BattleMoose posted:

Completely failing to see the relevance of this.

It kinda puts lie to the notion that these were just states looking to secede from some tyrannical majority goverment when their goal is to impose their will on others. Also, they did not allow counties to secede from states which meant that there was no idelogical basis behind secession as a right as such.

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Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Tias posted:

Why? Couldn't you just have imprisoned or deported them?

I'm sure Stalin and Berija thought the same thing when they murdered Polish academics, artists, judges and officers, that doesn't make it not insane or bloodthirsty.

You know how Poland in 1939 was a fascist and anti-semitic state? Why did the people behind that need to be preserved?

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Tevery Best posted:

It wasn't fascist by any stretch of the imagination (unless you're a Soviet propagandist, I guess) and for all the ugly anti-semitic stuff it didn't rank worse in that regard than the Soviet Union, whom you're excusing.

What would you call the colonels' government? The National Democrats?

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

Delivery McGee posted:

"Effective range" is,generally, "the range at which you can reasonably expect to hit what you're aiming at." So, the range at which the rifle shoots minute-of-man for infantry -- aiming at a the center of a 16" square target (the center of mass/torso of a person being about 16"x16"), effective range is the farthest out from which you'd be able to get most of your shots aimed at the center of that box landing within that box. Maximum lethal range is quite a lot more, but past effective range you're not expecting to actually hit the enemy, due to various mechanical/human factors, but still good for suppressing fire/maybe you'll get lucky. Of course, that only applies to aircraft with guns in the nose; with guns in the wings, you set them to converge/harmonize at your preferred range and only fire at that range.

Yeah, one of the common threads in reading accounts of skilled pilots in ww2 was that they all said to wait until you're as close as possible to shoot. The only time you hear them talking about trying to shoot at their guns' maximum range are in situations like the big bomber raids over Germany where the pilots are trying to stay out of range of the defensive armament. Also, some of the P-38 pilots talk about shooting from further out than usual due to the aforementioned nose-based armament.

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