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Squinty Applebottom
Jan 1, 2013

1st AD posted:

Styluses suck on capacitive screens with no pen digitizer

PDFPen supports bluetooth styluses for fake pressure sensitivity and owns at marking up and editing PDFs.

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Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
A Wacom digitizer (I have a new Note 8 and the first Note 10.1) is still about ten times better in usage. I couldn't live without it.

Tesla Was Robbed
Oct 4, 2002
I AM A LIAR

KungPowAction posted:

I'm thinking of getting a tablet for math research. In my dream world, I'd like to manage and read PDFs, do hand-written annotation of PDFs or write notes side-by-side (marking up a paper I'm reading), and also write and manage hand-written notes and diagrams in general.

Syncing/searching/tagging would be excellent as well, so I'm looking for a mix of stylus support and app support for those use cases. Price isn't much of an issue.

It seems like for stylus work the Galaxy Note is the only game in town, and it's also uniformly trashed in this thread. Is there a good alternative?
I'm going to buck the trend and tell you to get the Asus eeeNote. For gaming and email and manufacturer support and more than 6 programs and other things, there isn't a more useless POS under the sun. For editing pdf and epub with a digital pen, there is nothing in the world better under $200. Wacom digitizer, taggable note program, exportable/integratable notes, 256 levels of pressure sensitivity, sd card support, 3 days of use per charge, robust build w/ a cheap leather case, a tight little community and easy programming/porting from some linux programs if you're so inclined. But I have fallen in love with my eeeNote. You can find it on ebay for ~$170.

That, and it's worth some hipster/conference room cred for having a piece of tech that no one in America even knows about.

edit: Or a Boox m92, but only if you have iPad money and want all of the above stuff.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
Why on Earth would you recommend a 3 year old device. Also, doing something for 'cred' is the dumbest reason ever.

Tesla Was Robbed
Oct 4, 2002
I AM A LIAR

Bung Harmer posted:

Why on Earth would you recommend a 3 year old device. Also, doing something for 'cred' is the dumbest reason ever.

Because there is no better piece of tech available for doing pen work on digital files. The Boox m92 is wicked nice, but pricey. The eeeNote does almost exactly the same thing for half the price. These are purpose built specialty tools designed to do things that the Nexii, iPads and their ilk do not do nearly as well. That is why I recommend a 3 year old device. He was asking for very specific things and I gave him a good solution.

Cred is just a bonus.

waffle
May 12, 2001
HEH

KungPowAction posted:

I'm thinking of getting a tablet for math research. In my dream world, I'd like to manage and read PDFs, do hand-written annotation of PDFs or write notes side-by-side (marking up a paper I'm reading), and also write and manage hand-written notes and diagrams in general.

Syncing/searching/tagging would be excellent as well, so I'm looking for a mix of stylus support and app support for those use cases. Price isn't much of an issue.

It seems like for stylus work the Galaxy Note is the only game in town, and it's also uniformly trashed in this thread. Is there a good alternative?
The Galaxy Note gets poo poo on because of TouchWiz and because they're overpriced for what they are. If you're looking at the 2014 edition it's pretty good if you're willing to pay for it and you don't hate TouchWiz. I would just try it out, and if you like it, get it, regardless of what most of the advice here says.

Foil
Apr 19, 2006
Now with more paranoia

waffle posted:

The Galaxy Note gets poo poo on because of TouchWiz and because they're overpriced for what they are. If you're looking at the 2014 edition it's pretty good if you're willing to pay for it and you don't hate TouchWiz. I would just try it out, and if you like it, get it, regardless of what most of the advice here says.

I put nova launcher on mine and it works pretty good. TouchWiz blows, but the hardware in the 2014 edition is pretty solid (but like 20% over priced).

SouthShoreSamurai
Apr 28, 2009

It is a tale,
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.


Fun Shoe
So on the recommendations of this thread, I ended up getting an iPad Mini for my kids for Xmas. Thanks for the help all.

My next question: Is there a consensus best case for protecting it?

The Royal Nonesuch
Nov 1, 2005

I got some Xmas cash this year, and I'm looking to finally get a tablet. It's a pure gadget purchase - web browsing, fun apps, etc.

I've never owned an Apple product beyond a few iPods, which I finally ditched because I loathed iTunes. I first looked at a Nexus 7, but I already have a Nexus phone and screen real estate is too close in size for me. My girlfriend's iPad Air is drat slick, and I dig some of the stargazing apps and such that aren't available on the Android market. However, I'm a customization nerd at heart and know there are going to be some things I want to change that will be locked in on iOS - trying to do nerdy things on my friend's iPhones is an exercise in frustration compared to my Android. So, it would seem that the Nexus 10" is the right option.

Do any of you guys have one of those and care to comment on it? Should I be looking into the Windows options?

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

The Royal Nonesuch posted:

I got some Xmas cash this year, and I'm looking to finally get a tablet. It's a pure gadget purchase - web browsing, fun apps, etc.

I've never owned an Apple product beyond a few iPods, which I finally ditched because I loathed iTunes. I first looked at a Nexus 7, but I already have a Nexus phone and screen real estate is too close in size for me. My girlfriend's iPad Air is drat slick, and I dig some of the stargazing apps and such that aren't available on the Android market. However, I'm a customization nerd at heart and know there are going to be some things I want to change that will be locked in on iOS - trying to do nerdy things on my friend's iPhones is an exercise in frustration compared to my Android. So, it would seem that the Nexus 10" is the right option.


The 10 is just long in tooth, and personally there is a bigger gap in apps for 10" tablets when you compare the nexus and iPad. I love my N7 and overall it's great, but a decent number of apps are up scaled still and that doesn't work as well on a larger screen.

Does having an android phone for tinkering make having an iPad ok? Having one of each tends to be the best of both worlds for people who like that, and with google sync you can have stuff sync cross platform fine.

The Royal Nonesuch posted:

Do any of you guys have one of those and care to comment on it? Should I be looking into the Windows options?

Nah. The only person who cares to comment works for Microsoft.

Sri.Theo
Apr 16, 2008
I like the look of windows 8 tablets but they're just in a funny place right now, but a lot of good stuff is coming out of CES for 8 inch tablets. Have a look in the dedicated thread if you want.

And I feel like the Metro start screen is a little more customisable then on iOS.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



SouthShoreSamurai posted:

So on the recommendations of this thread, I ended up getting an iPad Mini for my kids for Xmas. Thanks for the help all.

My next question: Is there a consensus best case for protecting it?
Ask the iPad thread.

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004
I was thinking of getting a [url="http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/26/4558626/google-nexus-7-review-2013"32GB Nexus 7[/img].

I mostly want it for watching movies and light web browsing while traveling. It seems to have decent storage, and good battery life.

But I just read this article about Samsung putting out new, cheap tablets. Maybe I should hold off on buying it - will prices drop/newer models come out soon to compete w/ Samsung?

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



I wouldn't expect a new Nexus 7 for six months or so, and those Samsungs would be bad compared to a 2012 Nexus 7, nevermind a 2013.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe

KungPowAction posted:

I'm thinking of getting a tablet for math research. In my dream world, I'd like to manage and read PDFs, do hand-written annotation of PDFs or write notes side-by-side (marking up a paper I'm reading), and also write and manage hand-written notes and diagrams in general.

Syncing/searching/tagging would be excellent as well, so I'm looking for a mix of stylus support and app support for those use cases. Price isn't much of an issue.

It seems like for stylus work the Galaxy Note is the only game in town, and it's also uniformly trashed in this thread. Is there a good alternative?

If you can wait, there's a Asus VivoTab Note 8 coming out in late Q1/early Q2 that comes with a Wacom stylus. Full Windows plus Office for $30 less than the Note 8.

quote:

On the surface the Asus is similar to most other 8 inch Windows tablets, with a 1200×800 resolution screen, Intel Bay Trail Z3740 CPU, 32 & 64GB eMMC storage options, 2GB of RAM, micro USB and micro SD card slots and like the Dell Venue 8 Pro has an active digitizer.

However unlike the Dell the digitizer pen comes as standard with the tablet and more importantly uses Wacom technology, which has arguably been the top requested feature for an 8 inch Windows tablet, and additionally has a silo on the tablet to house the stylus. At $299 for the 32GB version it costs the same as the Dell (and Lenovo Miix 2 8) while also including the stylus making it quite a good deal.


http://www.umpcportal.com/2014/01/here-wacom-asus-vivotab-note-8-official/

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
Do you work for Microsoft? We get it! Windows 8 in tablet form exists!

waffle
May 12, 2001
HEH
I don't get why some of you all don't want Win8 to be mentioned in this thread. It's nowhere close to Android or iOS for the needs of most people who want a tablet for casual use, but there is actually a sizable niche I think it fills, for people who basically want laptop functionality in a tablet form factor, and don't care too much about most of the typical advantages of Android/iOS. Generally these are people who want it for work-related things rather than for the home, which is different from most tablet users, but these people definitely exist.

VV Oh, well, if that's the case, sorry to point you out because I am a dumbass, Geirskogul, but it still holds for other folks.

waffle fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jan 7, 2014

Papercut
Aug 24, 2005

The quickest substitution in the history of the NBA
I assumed Geirskogul was sarcastically imitating all of the people who freak out whenever Rent posts in this thread, since Call Me Charlie hasn't done anything close to shilling for Microsoft.

e: I am in exactly the position you describe waffle, after doing tons of research I've decided against both Android and iOS and am waiting to see the new Win8 offerings, because 95% of my use will be for work and being able to run actual Office as well as having an HDMI-out will be invaluable.

Papercut fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jan 7, 2014

Foil
Apr 19, 2006
Now with more paranoia

waffle posted:

I don't get why some of you all don't want Win8 to be mentioned in this thread. It's nowhere close to Android or iOS for the needs of most people who want a tablet for casual use, but there is actually a sizable niche I think it fills, for people who basically want laptop functionality in a tablet form factor, and don't care too much about most of the typical advantages of Android/iOS. Generally these are people who want it for work-related things rather than for the home, which is different from most tablet users, but these people definitely exist.

This is one of the reasons I bought an Asus t100 Transformer book. The issue is that its never been used for work because the on screen keyboard is terrible for doing work, the keyboard dock isn't as good as a desktop keyboard (or even a mid range budget laptops keyboard) and the resolution is just too poor for any real work. Maybe I am a complete elitist, but I can't imagine using windows in less than 1920x1080 anymore.

I heavily suggest trying a windows tablet before buying it. Really pick one up and use it, and really weigh the pros and cons. Even the good ones are not the best value if you already have a desktop/laptop and an iOS/android device.

Armor-Piercing
Sep 22, 2009

Nightly dance
of bleeding swords


Is 1080p+ really that important on a tablet, especially <10"? Serious question, as the only 1080p screen I've ever used is the 21.5" monitor I'm typing this on. This is 102 ppi, and most of the 8" Windows 8 tablets are 1200x800, 180 ppi. I've used a first-gen ipad mini (162 ppi) briefly but I thought it looked pretty good. Without having seen the second-gen ipad mini, the idea of a 7.9" screen having a 2048x1536 resolution just sounds ridiculous to me.

I know that holding the screen closer will make lower resolutions more noticeable, but I imagine there's a point where going higher doesn't make as much of a difference unless you're pressing it to your face. With laptops though, I agree, I wouldn't buy one with a display under 1080p at this point. It was pretty terrible looking through Boxing Day sales and seeing that most of the laptops were 15" and 1366x768 (and as I type this, I realize that display would be 104 ppi, just above my monitor).

sethsez
Jul 14, 2006

He's soooo dreamy...

Armor-Piercing posted:

Is 1080p+ really that important on a tablet, especially <10"? Serious question, as the only 1080p screen I've ever used is the 21.5" monitor I'm typing this on. This is 102 ppi, and most of the 8" Windows 8 tablets are 1200x800, 180 ppi. I've used a first-gen ipad mini (162 ppi) briefly but I thought it looked pretty good. Without having seen the second-gen ipad mini, the idea of a 7.9" screen having a 2048x1536 resolution just sounds ridiculous to me.

It makes everything look much, much crisper, and is a godsend for smaller text, PDFs, or just browsing a somewhat cluttered site in portrait mode. It's like the jump from 480p to 1080p in that it's easiest to notice the difference after you've made the change and then try to go back.

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber
Find a store with the retina iPad Mini on demo right next to the old non-retina. It's hard to go back to a lower resolution.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Papercut posted:

I assumed Geirskogul was sarcastically imitating all of the people who freak out whenever Rent posts in this thread, since Call Me Charlie hasn't done anything close to shilling for Microsoft.


Yeah, but I am terrible at humor :v:

There is honestly nothing wrong with tablets like the Surface Pro/2 except for the price, but that's never a hard line to take. The utility of having a full desktop computer there along with the tablet interface if you want is enticing.

Armor-Piercing
Sep 22, 2009

Nightly dance
of bleeding swords


sethsez posted:

It makes everything look much, much crisper, and is a godsend for smaller text, PDFs, or just browsing a somewhat cluttered site in portrait mode. It's like the jump from 480p to 1080p in that it's easiest to notice the difference after you've made the change and then try to go back.
I guess I should keep moving up as slowly as possible then so I don't get too disappointed. :v: The first thing I did reading text on the mini was zoom in to a text size I'd normally work with anyway, so I guess the idea of reading really small but crisp text hadn't occurred to me.

Lenovo announced an 8.3" 1920x1200 Windows 8 tablet yesterday too, but I had my eye on the Asus model because of the Wacom stylus.

Just Meat
Aug 28, 2004

What tablets should I look at if I'm looking for a premium tablet that's not an iPad, since my wife has one and I want something different. I've looked at a surface pro 2 so far, it's pretty neat. I have basically a large work/education stipend to spend on such things before middle of 2013 and I don't currently have a tablet. I'm a physician but I like something that's portable, honestly I'll use it to mainly check emails, watch twitch, and read reddit. Battery life would be important.

waffle
May 12, 2001
HEH

Just Meat posted:

What tablets should I look at if I'm looking for a premium tablet that's not an iPad, since my wife has one and I want something different. I've looked at a surface pro 2 so far, it's pretty neat. I have basically a large work/education stipend to spend on such things before middle of 2013 and I don't currently have a tablet. I'm a physician but I like something that's portable, honestly I'll use it to mainly check emails, watch twitch, and read reddit. Battery life would be important.
Do you want it to be different towards a specific end, or do you just want something different just to try something different? The Android tablets provide a different but fundamentally similar experience (though there aren't many great tablets that are also a decent value except the Nexus 7--the Note 10.1 2014 is nice and fast though expensive and has TouchWiz, depending on how much you care about that), while the Surface Pro provides a fundamentally different experience, being much more work and multitasking-friendly, while being generally less portable and quick to use.

If it's mostly Twitch-watching, email-reading, and web browsing you want to do, iPad/Android is probably the way to go. If you want to do doctor stuff on it, then the SP2 might be what you want, though it's not as nice to use for simple tasks.

waffle fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jan 8, 2014

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




Larrymer posted:

I'm thinking about buying a tablet. My main wants:

-Large screen
-MicroSD or 32/64GB (microSD seems to be cheaper for memory)
-Something I can watch movies/tv shows on

I don't really care too much for apps or games, I'd probably just use the browser and watch videos. The main use is something to take to the gym while doing cardio if I'm honest. Will any of them be better for my uses than others? Generally I want the best bang for buck and I don't need something that is super powerful. Will I run into any problems watching common video file types? (.avi, .mkv, etc.)

Is it possible to get something decent for $2-300? I've searched around a little and everything seems quite expensive, and I'm a cheap rear end.

Thanks goons.

So I did some quick review readings and bought a ASUS MeMO Pad FHD 10 (saw the thread in coupons and deals for it for $258 on amazon for the 32gb version). Hopefully this doesn't turn out to be a terrible decision but it seems to check all the boxes that I was looking for.

waffle
May 12, 2001
HEH

Larrymer posted:

So I did some quick review readings and bought a ASUS MeMO Pad FHD 10 (saw the thread in coupons and deals for it for $258 on amazon for the 32gb version). Hopefully this doesn't turn out to be a terrible decision but it seems to check all the boxes that I was looking for.
It should be fine, though I suspect it might choke on 1080p video and be a bit stuttery when opening large apps. I doubt you'll think it's terrible by any means, though.

Smilin Joe Fission
Jan 24, 2007
X-posting from the iPad thread as I believe it applies here as well, I apologize if this isn't the thread for this.

Anyone found a good way to secure an iPad (or any tablet really) to the display panel/shelf where the controls are on a treadmill or elliptical machine? I'd like to watch movies while working out, and the iPad would initially stay in place if I just set it in landscape orientation on the little shelf where the speed and resistance controls are. My concern is that it could fall off if it's bumped or gradually just from the machine's vibration. I'm also going to have my headphones connected, so I wouldn't want to pull it off the ledge that way either.

I was thinking I could literally just take two strong pieces of string and tie one around each end securing it to the machine, but I feel like there must be a better way.

Smilin Joe Fission fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jan 9, 2014

GoodBee
Apr 8, 2004


I got curious and apparently "treadmill tablet holder" pulls up a bunch of options on Amazon. I can't recommend one because I just found out they existed.

field balm
Feb 5, 2012

I'm travelling through Asia soon, and my msi netbook is starting to die (monitor flashing, not charging properly). I'd like to replace it with a cheap tablet. I'm in Australia if it makes a difference.

I'm thinking probably 7 inches, all I really want to do is read ebooks/pdfs and listen to music, maybe some movies and dosbox. It doesn't really need to be fast or cutting edge. My main concerns are just it being cheap (don't want to cut into spending money much), decent battery life (at very least 6 hours in use?), and a display that doesn't make text hard to read at smaller sizes, which my Sony 'Xperia Go' phone is guilty of.

There are loads of cheap Chinese tablets of various manufacture on ebay, but I'm assuming they are borderline worthless?

Thanks!

waffle
May 12, 2001
HEH
Is $230 for the Nexus 7 more than you were looking? That's probably as cheap as you can go without compromising something. Cheaper than that, you could look at a used 2012 Nexus 7 or the Hisense Sero 7 Pro. I really would not look at anything cheaper than that though. I don't know if there is any way to do DOSBox on Android though, and even if so, it'll be a true pain in the rear end without a keyboard. You may also just consider getting a cheap laptop again.

soap.
Jul 15, 2007

Her?
My boyfriend is an electrician and he is looking for a tablet for work. Sturdiness is a plus. He can't use Android because of some software he uses. He would prefer not to have an iPad unless there is some particular benefit. He would like 4G. Being able to hand-write notes (what's it called? Digitizer pen or something?) is a plus. A decent resolution is a must, so he can show things to clients on it, including text. He needs it mostly for his pricing software, parts lists, swiping credit cards and processing checks, and for emails. Our budget is open.

gariig
Dec 31, 2004
Beaten into submission by my fiance
Pillbug

soap. posted:

My boyfriend is an electrician and he is looking for a tablet for work. Sturdiness is a plus. He can't use Android because of some software he uses. He would prefer not to have an iPad unless there is some particular benefit. He would like 4G. Being able to hand-write notes (what's it called? Digitizer pen or something?) is a plus. A decent resolution is a must, so he can show things to clients on it, including text. He needs it mostly for his pricing software, parts lists, swiping credit cards and processing checks, and for emails. Our budget is open.

What software is he using? That's probably going to dictate if you are going to need a Windows 8 tablet or an iPad.

soap.
Jul 15, 2007

Her?
It's usable on either. He'd prefer a Windows tablet, but not if the iPad is going to be a better fit.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

soap. posted:

It's usable on either. He'd prefer a Windows tablet, but not if the iPad is going to be a better fit.

iPad is the easiest answer, and probably the most reliable on the go anyway. Price wise a 32GB iPad Air with 4G is $729, that's probably a good bet, and then just get an otterbox case. Plans for on the go data are $20-30 a month depending on carrier.

You can check the windows tab thread as well, but I would just get the iPad.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe

soap. posted:

It's usable on either. He'd prefer a Windows tablet, but not if the iPad is going to be a better fit.

If money's no object, you may want to look into the Fujitsu STYLISTIC Q584 Tablet PC. It's around the same price as the Surface Pro 2 but it's also semi-rugged (so waterproof/dustproof) (although that also means it uses a weaker processor so it doesn't need active cooling)

Call Me Charlie posted:

Fujitsu STYLISTIC Q584 Tablet PC ($876 for the 64 GB base model)




:siren: Includes Microsoft Office Home & Student 2013 but only when you select 'Windows 8.1 (MUI) 32-bit (ENERGY STAR® qualified includes Microsoft® Office Home & Student 2013 MUI (32-bit) and Windows 8.1 HDD Recovery' in customized options on the site :siren:

- Waterproof (tested for IPX5/7/8 specifications)
- Dustproof (tested for IP5X specification)
- Resistant to alcohol-based wipes
- Durable chemically strengthened glass display, MIL-STD tested

- 10.51 x 7.12 x 0.39 inches, 1.4 pounds
- 10.1” HD WQXGA Display (2560 x 1600) 400 nit brightness
- Active digitizer and capacitive touch panel
- Intel Bay Trail Atom Z3770 Quad Core 1.46 GHz Processor (up to 2.39 GHz)
- 4 GB of RAM
- Up to 11 hours battery life
- 2-megapixel front camera and 8-megapixel back camera, dual mics
- Proprietary charger (not USB :()
- Bluetooth 4.0, USB 3.0, MicroUSB, microSD, Fingerprint reader

Upgrades:
- Smart Card shell with VESA attachment points
- 128 GB eMMC Flash Memory
- Near Field Communication
- GPS Module
- Sierra Wireless AirPrime with GPS support (Verizon, AT&T)
- Sprint with GPS support available in 2014

Special Accessories:
Docking Cradle ($59)
Keyboard Cradle ($229)

http://www.shopfujitsu.com/store/stylistic-q584-tablet-pc#wf_productinfo

Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jan 15, 2014

ShaneB
Oct 22, 2002


My Early 2008 macbook is essentially on its last legs of viability. I'm not sure if an iPad + keyboard attachment would be all-around better than something like a used mid-2011 11.6" macbook air 1.6ghz for $600ish? I really would want a real keyboard, but the portability/ease of use aspect of something like an iPad mini is really appealing...

Anyone with anecdotal experience is welcome to chime in.

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber
It really depends what you need to do with it. The MBA will be better at multitasking and more viable as an only-computer in a lot of situations, but the iPad has merits too. Keep in mind that a MacBook Air older than mid-13 will only get 3ish hours of battery while the newer models last almost tablet-long.

I have both beeps. The iPad is an accessory device, but I can go on 2-3 day trips and be happy, despite it's content-creation limits

eddiewalker fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jan 15, 2014

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ShaneB posted:

My Early 2008 macbook is essentially on its last legs of viability. I'm not sure if an iPad + keyboard attachment would be all-around better than something like a used mid-2011 11.6" macbook air 1.6ghz for $600ish? I really would want a real keyboard, but the portability/ease of use aspect of something like an iPad mini is really appealing...

Anyone with anecdotal experience is welcome to chime in.

What do you use your Macbook for currently? And what would you like to do that you can't do (or is currently difficult to do)?

I have a 2009 Macbook Pro that works great for browsing, video watching, and some light photo/video editing, definitely not my main machine for any of these tasks though.

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