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Winklebottom posted:Movie critics from major Danish newspapers decided to recreate the posters Some of those Danish critics aren't that bad looking  However, they do need a "Shia getting a blowjob/working on his car" pose.
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Skeesix posted:I sort of suspect that von Trier wants to encourage this sort of pre-watching discussion.for as long as possible. Because at 5 hours worth of uncomfortable sex scenes this is a movie which at least for me will require some uncomfortable sex breaks. And for that, you're talking about not seeing it in a theater. This was just too hard to resist.
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I saw the "abridged" version last week (working in film distribution) and it's a great movie. Clocking in at four hours never did it feel too long or anything. Quite the contrary: I'd happily sit through a longer cut, should it ever materialise. I did like Melancholia but have mixed feelings about Antichrist, so it's nice to see that his "trilogy of depression" is closing strong. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to go into any kind of detail. I know, this all sounds very "my uncle works at Nintendo", but if you guys have any questions shoot anyway. I'll try to dance around our internal NDA as much as possible. Just don't be mad if most of my answers are "sorry, can't go into this".
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Dec 17, 2013 15:24
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Dec 17, 2013 15:48
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That's the one question my friends asked as well. Nothing else  Not nearly as bad and controversial as the whole buzz around the movie. There's the occasional explicit "hardcore" shot (mostly oral sex) and a whole lot of nudity but it never feels forced. Of course some people will be offended anyway, but that's to be expected given the subject matter. Should the director's cut ever become availabe the amount of controversial shots will apparently increase immensely. Maybe (hopefully?!) we'll get to see that one early next year. I expected the sex to be more natural than it really was. There are some scenes that resemble "real sex" and then there are moments that basically look like the stuff Hollywood wants sex to look like. I don't know if that has been done on purpose. Maybe I'm missing a point von Trier is trying to make. Whoever did the special effects (you know, fusing the actors with the pornstar genitals) deserves some kind of award by the way. That stuff is just seamless. I hope someone sends a "for your consideration" reel to the Academy. While I was typing this, the first reviews got sent around the office. They are talking about all this stuff way better than I am: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/nymphomaniac/review/666158 http://variety.com/2013/film/reviews/film-review-lars-von-triers-nymphomaniac-1200964948/
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Winklebottom posted:Movie critics from major Danish newspapers decided to recreate the posters Ekstra Bladet looks like he pinched his dick with the zipper on his jeans. Or it burns when he pees.
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Dec 17, 2013 18:48
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AlexF posted:I saw the "abridged" version last week (working in film distribution) and it's a great movie. Clocking in at four hours never did it feel too long or anything. Quite the contrary: I'd happily sit through a longer cut, should it ever materialise. I did like Melancholia but have mixed feelings about Antichrist, so it's nice to see that his "trilogy of depression" is closing strong. Hey, you are me. That sounds great, and I can't wait to see this movie. Edit: Charlotte Gainsbourg singing the closing credits of part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMCX2JIAPYE
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Dec 17, 2013 19:29
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Dammit - I got a last minute invite to the London press screening of this today but it clashed with my tickets for American Psycho the Musical. Most of my critic friends that went loved it though.
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Dec 18, 2013 03:36
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Interested to see this film. But there's no way in hell the OFLC is going to rate it... at all.
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Perhaps the biggest surprise is that the film (at least the abridged version) is not really as shocking as the promo campaign would lead you to believe. It's possibly the most accessible Trier film in a long time. I only saw the first part, but I assume it's not going to change that much in the second half, though it will probably get a bit darker. I'd call it a very sensitive and mildly disturbing portrait of female sexuality, or rather a discussion of sexuality since it's framed into the whole therapeutic sitting of Gainsbourg with Skarsgard and the film keeps coming back to it. Really liked it so far.
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Dec 22, 2013 13:30
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Some good interviews up on Youtube now giving a bit of insight into what it was like making the film. I guess I'm willing to give Shia a chance after seeing how enthusiastic he is. I shouldn't be surprised, but he seems to have a good working knowledge of film and actually comes off as a real fan of Von Trier. It's just so weird coming from the guy who was in Transformers. I guess he's made infinity billion dollars at this point and is now free to do anything he wants so more power to him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWSa5AfvJsU This is the first one with Charlotte Gainsbourg.
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I finally saw this. It's still filling small theaters in Copenhagen. I did like it for the most part. The sex was much less uncomfortable than I was expecting based upon how it was dealt with in antichrist. Still... gently caress you Lars, you are way too in love with your status as a provocateur. We don't need a soliloquoy about "political correctness" and how it's wrong that you aren't allowed to use the word "negro" or "neger." And Willem Dafoe's talents are beyond wasted. He shows up and talks through some exposition. That's it, although maybe in the 5 hour instead of 4 hour version he actually does something. Finally the ending... that was just dumb as hell. I could say more but I don't feel like pulling out spoiler tags. Still there was plenty to like. The casting of P was great. Gainsbourg is always great. Skarsgaard and LeBoeuf and Slater were all really good. Oh yeah, the Rammstein song also was great.
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Feb 2, 2014 01:03
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Skeesix posted:We don't need a soliloquoy about "political correctness" and how it's wrong that you aren't allowed to use the word "negro" or "neger."
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Feb 2, 2014 02:58
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Mustach posted:What are the details of this? Gainsbourg's character has a scene with two black guys. Come to think of it that scene was pretty racially bad as well. They didn't speak english and in order to set it up she asked an interpreter who was "familiar with the African Languages." Apparently they were brothers who got into an argument in the middle of it. Meanwhile, their erect dicks are wagging back and forth in front of her face and it's pretty clearly played for laughs. Like most of the theatre was guffawing. She tells Skarsgaard's character about it and says that "Anyone who says they are not attracted to negros is lying, but that at the end of the day they've never satisfied her." Skarsgaard's character protests that you shouldn't use that word and Gainsbourg's character suddenly becomes a von Trier self-insert (  ) who says that whenever you restrict yourself from using a word blah blah blah you've heard this a million times.I also only brought up the Danish word "Neger" because the subtitles directly translated "negro" to that word and maybe he thinks that since the word isn't literally "friend of the family" then it's not so bad. Others have expressed a similar inclination: http://cphpost.dk/news/mp-black-people-should-be-called-neger.8407.html edit: Regarding that last part, I don't know if it was clear but I didn't mean it to be a defense of von Trier. Merely a guess as to why von Trier is spouting the same crap we've been hearing from racists in America for the last X years. twerking on the railroad fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Feb 2, 2014 |
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Feb 2, 2014 09:41
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edit: cannot express myself properly
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Just out of seeing this in one sitting with an interval, which I will say is certainly the way to see it. Overall I thought it was very good, in a lot of ways its probably Von Trier's easiest film, the first part was a lot funnier than I expected it to be the Mrs H chapter was really good in this regard, the second part was a lot closer to the dark film I was expecting the scene with her getting the forty lashes was quite disturbing, the end took me by surprise and was both a shock as well as putting the rest of the film in quite a different light. Skeesix posted:Gainsbourg's character has a scene with two black guys. Come to think of it that scene was pretty racially bad as well. They didn't speak english and in order to set it up she asked an interpreter who was "familiar with the African Languages." Apparently they were brothers who got into an argument in the middle of it. Meanwhile, their erect dicks are wagging back and forth in front of her face and it's pretty clearly played for laughs. Like most of the theatre was guffawing. She tells Skarsgaard's character about it and says that "Anyone who says they are not attracted to negros is lying, but that at the end of the day they've never satisfied her." Skarsgaard's character protests that you shouldn't use that word and Gainsbourg's character suddenly becomes a von Trier self-insert ( Yeah this scene struck me as a bit dodgy especially with the line about calling a spade a spade, the use of the word spade left me a bit uncomfortable in regards to the discussion that was being had.
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Feb 23, 2014 00:35
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StoneOfShame posted:Just out of seeing this in one sitting with an interval, which I will say is certainly the way to see it. I've probably just seen the same one (in the UK at a bunch of cinemas played back to back). I enjoyed it, but I didn't find it at all shocking and I completely agree about the "Negro" stuff and a big chunk of dialogue spread over the film was very much just Trier using Joe as a self insert. Still even with that, it was good. Skaarsgard as the voice of the audience was a really cool trick and it brought me into the film a lot more. The ending completely ruined it though. I understand they're saying 'nobody can control their urges and she is wrong to think she can' but gently caress that, he's represented us for the whole film and I didn't want him to try and rape her.
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Feb 23, 2014 00:42
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Taear posted:I've probably just seen the same one (in the UK at a bunch of cinemas played back to back). Yup the same showing, I was up at one in Birmingham it really made we want to go the cinema the main showing was in it looks like a great cinema. I'm still not sure what to think about the ending at all when I said it put the film in a different light I mean it suggests he was never really sympathetic towards Joe, he was just acting like that to hear her story and get off on it, is this suggesting that perhaps we the audience are not sympathetic to her either and just want to see the sex scenes? Considering how little sex there was and how much less shocking it was compared to what the marketing suggested it could lead to an assessment that perhaps this is the point of the film, a comment on him being viewed as a 'shocking' film maker rather than just a good film maker. I'm just musing a bit here, I think I need to think about it all a bit more.
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I think Part 1 is the lightest thing I've ever seen from Von Trier, pretty hilarious throughout. Part 2 was definitely more what I was expecting. I now know about a while bunch of random trivia too as a result of the digressions. I loved the Antichrist falling kid fakeout. Great experience all round though, and 4.5 hours passed pretty quickly. Could've used a bit more Udo Kier though.
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Taear posted:I've probably just seen the same one (in the UK at a bunch of cinemas played back to back). At first what I thought he was trying to do with the ending was to show Joe passing on her nymphomania to Seligmann. But then she apparently murders him. It felt like this obviously very talented director being stuck with the mind of a 14 year old and saying "OK, now in this part we have to do something WILD." Also, I don't think I've seen it mentioned in any reviews, but on the train in the first part of the movie, Joe very obviously rapes the guy going home to his wife, right?
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If the only Lars films you've been exposed to are his more recent work (Dancer in the Dark onward, I guess) you really need to watch Zentropa. It's one of his most conventionally entertaining films, is tense and weird as gently caress in a Lynchian way, and takes place on a train. It might be my favorite overall film of all time. edit: I keep forgetting it was only named Zentropa in America; it's Europa everywhere else. Also: quote:The film won three awards at the 1991 Cannes Film Festival (Best Artistic Contribution, Jury Prize, and Technical Grand Prize).[4] Upon realizing that he had not won the Palme d'Or, von Trier gave the judges the finger and stormed out of the venue.[5]  precision fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Feb 24, 2014 |
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Skeesix posted:Also, I don't think I've seen it mentioned in any reviews, but on the train in the first part of the movie, Joe very obviously rapes the guy going home to his wife, right? Pretty much. There's a lot of contraversial stuff in the film that reviews never seem to mention, I find it quite weird.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I think Part 1 is the lightest thing I've ever seen from Von Trier, pretty hilarious throughout. Is it lighter than The Boss of it All? I thought that was a pretty good comedy considering who the director was.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Is it lighter than The Boss of it All? I thought that was a pretty good comedy considering who the director was. I haven't seen The Boss of it All sorry. But the cinema I saw Part I in was laughing about as much as your average comedy.
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What a rollercoaster. I definitely found a lot of it hilarious. The African guys threeway was really funny. Like, they get into an argument because they're scared their balls will touch. People were saying the scene is really offensive because it's framed as scary black guys threatening a little white lady, which is how the promotional image and trailer framed it I think, but in the movie itself it's all high comedy because of the context and the way it unfolds. Re: the ending, a lot of von Trier's movies owe a lot to de Sade's novels, especially in his "Golden Hearts Trilogy" Justine, and for this movie Juliette. I think he's mentioned this himself before with regard to his older films. And from that perspective the ending makes total sense; it's the culmination of the reverse-morality-tale that the narrative is based upon. If the spergy virgin dude represents "us," it's obvious from the entire rest of the film that he was going to do what he did. As cringeworthy as it was in context, that's what the "say right and do wrong" speech was about; he's undeniably right and she's undeniably wrong in that situation, but it doesn't matter because wrong and evil always win out in the end. There's no girl-power catharsis from her killing him either; it's just another failure: she killed a person just like she had decided she wouldn't and learned to be proud of herself for not doing, her only friend turned out to be a base animal just like every other person in her life. Ultimately, she was proven right with regard to the gun going off: it was just a chance occurrence, his whole theory about her unconscious good motives winning out and causing her to forget how to use the gun was bullshit because unconscious drives are always toward brute sexuality and violence. In all I liked it. There were definitely things about the execution in parts that I wasn't fond of - especially where as noted her dialogue gets a little bit preachy - but ultimately it was a really intense, messy epic that I'm really glad got made. The worst part about it is definitely Shia's wildly inconsistent and half-assed accent(s), but even that just became part of it after a while. It wasn't that distracting, and his actual performance isn't terrible (not really remarkable either).
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schwenz posted:I completely forgot about shame. Funny enough, the title of Shame in chinese is "Sex Addicted Man" (性愛成癮的男人) Nypmhomanic's is "Sex Addicted Woman" (性愛成癮的女人) Many of my friends thought it was a sequel.
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precision posted:If the only Lars films you've been exposed to are his more recent work (Dancer in the Dark onward, I guess) you really need to watch Zentropa. It's one of his most conventionally entertaining films, is tense and weird as gently caress in a Lynchian way, and takes place on a train. It might be my favorite overall film of all time. Him storming of Cannes is hysterical. Isn't that the year Barton Fink won? If you're gonna lose to something it might as well be to motherfucking Barton Fink.
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Mar 16, 2014 01:56
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MariusLecter posted:When will this be up on Netflix? Netflix lost the rights to this film to Redtube.
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acephalousuniverse posted:What a rollercoaster. I definitely found a lot of it hilarious. I really liked this movie a lot and will probably see it again to get more out of all the math, music, religious and other literary references. Since everyone these days has watched at least some porn: This movie is not porn; it's more accurate to say it is anti-porn because many of the graphic sex scenes are filmed more like gritty documentary (cinema verite, maybe) than idealized art. I think the sex is shown from the addict’s viewpoint of being driven more by need than by what we would consider pleasure. This is a very dark comedy, it starts off like a joke: A nymphomaniac and a virgin bookworm go into a bedroom... and the final scene is the ultimate and inevitable punchline. I don't know if anyone still reads Jerzy Kosinski but the movie reminded me a lot of the tone of his novel Blind Date, although that sexual journey was from a man's point of view. If you like dry, dark humour such as Secretary and Very Bad Things, brace yourself for a long haul and check out Nymphomania. While a lot of people like to complain about Shia, the acting from Gainsbourg and esp. Stellan Skarsgård is fantastic, and the cameos from Uma Thurman, Udo Keir and Willem Dafoe are all great. Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Mar 16, 2014 |
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Watched Volume 1 the other night with friends and Volume 2 tonight with the same group of friends (who have all seen Melancholia, Antichrist and Dancer in the Dark). I thought it was a well done age-spanning journey, but I don't think it's one I'd watch again on my own. The sex scenes weren't as bad as I was expecting but several of them were still pretty graphic and a handful of them felt uncomfortable to watch, even though they could have been way worse. I never felt like it was overlong, though. In fact I kept finding myself wanting to see it unfold more and more. I can't say that about most 4 hour long movies. But now that it's all unfolded, I don't feel the burning desire to revisit it. At least not right away. It started off being completely insane. From the moment I was aware that Joe and her friend were having a contest to see who could seduce and then gently caress more men on a train and the winner would receive a bag of chocolates early on in Volume 1, I thought "Oh yeah, this is gonna be a loving trip." Am I the only one that thought Shia LeBeouf sounded way more natural with a British accent than his normal American accent?  It weirded me out every time he spoke because he honest to god sounded like a more cultured version of himself and now I feel like I'll never be able to take him seriously when I hear him speak in his normal accent again (not that I ever have).The scene with Uma Thurman bringing herself and her and H's kids to Joe's apartment while H is there and her next appointment comes in was one of the most awkward, hilarious things I've seen in any movie in a long time. The "whoring bed" was a particularly  moment.The ending of Volume 1 was loving hilarious too. It was so abrupt and then the Rammstein theme started playing and I lost my poo poo. The Negro line made my eyes roll to the back of my head. RE: The ending - I predicted that happening fairly early on, but then decided after a while that maybe it wasn't going that route after all. Then when it ended up happening after all at the end, I was still shocked because of the way it was presented. I looked at the screen in horror. My reaction was pretty much "Jesus Christ NO  "
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:RE: The ending - I predicted that happening fairly early on, but then decided after a while that maybe it wasn't going that route after all. Then when it ended up happening after all at the end, I was still shocked because of the way it was presented. I looked at the screen in horror. My reaction was pretty much "Jesus Christ NO His face was so loving perfect.
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Atlas Hugged posted:His face was so loving perfect.  "Yeah, buddy. That makes it totally okay. Especially after you've heard her whole story.
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Another reason I like Nymphomaniac. Due to the subject matter, the storytelling style and the casual pace, this movie had me reflecting back on relationships and some of the women I've known or known about, throughout the years. While I can enjoy big budget action flicks too, it was a nice change to have a movie get me musing about the past in that manner.
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I sort of enjoyed both parts but I felt the whole thing was a bit weak. Stellan Skarsgard was fine but his whole narrative device with Joe felt indulgent. I quite like Von Trier but some of the scenes felt juvenile even by his standards. The dialogue isn't great at times and it feels like it tries to be more clever than it is. You'll probably enjoy this if you like his other work though.
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8raz posted:I sort of enjoyed both parts but I felt the whole thing was a bit weak. Stellan Skarsgard was fine but his whole narrative device with Joe felt indulgent.
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Binary Logic posted:Another reason I like Nymphomaniac. Due to the subject matter, the storytelling style and the casual pace, this movie had me reflecting back on relationships and some of the women I've known or known about, throughout the years. ...of SCIENCE! posted:It's kind of brilliant, this movie is effectively critic-proof because any negative review can just be dismissed as something something puritans. My thoughts echoed this, the moment I first heard about this movie on a radio station driving through the middle of nowheresville, Wyoming... clever.
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I found the metaphysical conceit of the narrative to be very bookish (hesitate to call it literary). Initially I thought the movie was based on a book because the manner of relating Joe's sexcapades to fishing, to music, to math, etc is exactly how many modern novels are set up. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, Trout Fishing in America are the most obvious ones that come to mind....of SCIENCE! posted:It's kind of brilliant, this movie is effectively critic-proof because any negative review can just be dismissed as something something puritans. The sex scenes are so short and many shot in a sort of graphic, cinema verite style and I don't believe anyone would get off from them. There are valid criticisms and complaints that can be made about the movie (questionable casting choices, clunky dialogue, and more) without even mentioning the depiction of sex acts, so I don't agree that "any negative review can just be dismissed as something something puritan". To make this a CineD post, can anyone recommend other similar themed mainstream movies, where sex is used as metaphor or to drive the plot? The ones I can think of are: Secretary Last Tango in Paris Fingered by R. Kern j/k about that last one. Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Mar 22, 2014 |
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Part of my dim view of the movie may be that I work in math and I found the mathematical allusions to be particularly cringe-worthy.
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