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Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Im really looking forward to this film. I love All of LVT's work. I agree that some will not like what hes serving but what good art appeals to everyone? none. If you want a movie that appeals to all people go watch identity thief or the avengers.

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Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Nikaer Drekin posted:

It doesn't seem like you're totally saying this, but it's not a good defense of LVT's work to go "well, if you don't like it, maybe you can go see those mainstream baby movies :smug:" The reason I'm not a big fan of his movies isn't because he's too **challenging**, it's because I find his filmmaking approach off-putting. Just because certain people don't like his style doesn't mean they're looking for something with mass-market appeal. (And, anyway, I reject the idea that something with mass appeal can't also be great art, but that's another conversation entirely.)

This isn't limited to LVT- I fully recognize that Chuck Palahniuk is a really talented writer, for instance, but I still can't stand what books of his I've read. Doesn't mean I read Nicholas Sparks books instead.

I only picked the mainstream baby movies to point out we can all get a chuckle at watching something simple but we all cant enjoy something in the LVT style or the takashi miike style or the Gasper Noe style or any other directors that have their "stamp" on the art. I wasn't trying to say "hey, I'm a elite film snob because I understand this film maker" more that the more the art moves away from the norm the greater chance for people who have been exposed to a lot of art can enjoy it. Art like many things happens in layers and we all grow bored as we begin to explore a topic. We are lucky to have an artform such as this to keep us interested.

cliffs: everything isn't for everyone. It would be a boring world if it was.

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Yeah the cast is really impressive. If you take a movie like short bus (has non-simulated sex) and look at the cast its really a bunch of nobodies. For lars to put this together with a cast of arguably top talent says a lot about people's willingness to work with him. Although I am assuming the sex is either simulated or doubles will be brought in for any penetration shots.

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer

hope and vaseline posted:

I just watched Antichrist. Good grief, that's a lot to digest. During the uh, gore heavy parts I was having to remind myself to breathe like the futile exercises Dafoe was giving to Gainsbourg early on in the film. Really looking forward to this film, and I think I'll wait a few days before tackling Melancholia.

lucky you.

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer
We can't even really talk about this film much because it hasn't been seen by us. I think his track record proves that it deserves a view without any preconceived ideas of what we are walking into.

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Will they be uncomfortable? Isn't that kind of the point. Why is it we can all watch death and feel normal but sex makes us uncomfortable unless we are alone watching it on the Internet? If I feel uncomfortable watching sex then I want to not feel that way because sex is an amazing part of life.

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

But from the trailer it appears to be...

^^^ We should stop right there.


I dont normally watch trailers (unless I'm at the theater) and I dont normally like being showed parts of a film by the marketing department.

I mean even if all your worst fears come true. It's violent and sexual and violent sexual and you projectile vomit from simply viewing it. Film doesn't have to be easy, it can be challenging and uncomfortable.

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

I don't think anyone said that wasn't the case.

Then we are in agreement :) Whatever happens with this thing it will certainly be interesting.

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Anal Surgery posted:

Not to be obtuse, but taking a really big poo poo after a big meal is also an amazing, cathartic experience that feels wonderful, but there's a limit to how much of that I want to see in public with other people.

Also, I think the reason sex on film is different than violence on film is that sex is generally an intimate act between two (or more) people that hinges a lot on the chaotic emotions leading up to and conjured by the act, as well as the physical sensations. In a lot of ways, sex is much more mysterious and opaque than violence. We understand why people want to kill other people (anger, greed, ideology, etc). We can even identify with that on film: "Wow, that guy's a monster, I hope they kill him. Oh I like her, I hope she doesn't get killed. Eek, the protagonist crossed a line when he did that to that guy!" But we barely understand our own selves sexually. I have no idea why, for example, I find the sexy nurse motif a turn-on but not the French maid. I don't know why I prefer my partner on top, or why dirty talk turns me on, but why strip clubs leave me feeling bored. Why are some people furries? Why are some people swingers? Unlike violence, I just have a harder time putting myself into the sexual parts of films. I rarely find myself saying "Boy, I hope they gently caress. And those two would have some great sex together. Oh but those other people's sex is unhealthy and damaging. Man, why isn't he getting more sex?".

You would think this would be ripe soil for a film to help us explore, but my theory is that the sex act, rather than being too taboo to show, is simply too inscrutable to really capture on film for a lot of audiences. So instead, sex scenes in films often end up feeling like sitting next to an arguing couple in a restaurant. You don't know them, you don't know their history or what emotions are bubbling up in them, you just know something intimate and private is happening in public and it's pretty uncomfortable.

That's my hesitation with this film; I can appreciate the way LVT used sex artfully in, say, Antichrist, but I don't know about 5(?) hours of that. It really depends for me on how much actually screen-time is sex and what it's used for. I'm sure this isn't going to be a five hour art-house porno, but I'm going to hold out for some reviews first. And you're right that some films should be challenging and difficult and explore tough stuff, but I think even art film buffs have *some* limits. I know I do.

(This all begs the question of WHY should sex be private at all... but I think most audiences just have an innate sense that it should.)

You bring up some good points and I appreciate your post. I do think that part of they reason sex on film is shocking is because we don't see it often. Exposure brings normalcy. Sure we see porn but that is just a physical thing only almost automation...

Is it difficult to show certain emotions over others? Sure but why is that? Is that that we have grown up being bombard with hate and violence (not that I'm against that) and not love? At any rate I don't think this film is about love and the main character is in a hell. I don't think this film uses sex to get us to watch it but it uses sex to show us the uncomfortableness of being the character he is showing us. Again too early to judge but I would look forward to seeing your opinion on the film after its released as its apparent you are a thinking human.

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Hbomberguy posted:

Edit: I'm welcome to be proven wrong, if there was something missing from the film. Feel free to fill me in.

No one will be able to prove your opinion wrong but I will say it must be a good movie to invoke such a negative response from you ;)

Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Well that would be awesome if you experienced depression while watching it. Wonderful film.

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Jst0rm
Sep 16, 2012
Grimey Drawer

MisterBibs posted:

I can't see how you reconcile "she's just apathetic" with calling all life evil, though. There's a malice there.

So what? Depressed people lash out and say things. In the end she was the rock that held her sister and her daughter together. Comforting them to the unavoidable conclusion.

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