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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Now if you wanted to teach kiddies about the Revolutionary War PBS and Walter Cronkite put together a show about 10 years ago called Liberty's Kids. It did it's best to try and tell a nuanced story from many different perspectives. It had some issues, for instance in the episode about John Paul Jones he tells his crew to raise their flag, upon which I remember a 50 star US flag is raised. I'm not sure if somebody in the animation department hosed up or what. Because the flag was brand new and instructions were kind of vague there were a wide variety of funny looking flags being used at that point. Jones was actually cruising around with a flag that looked like this.


Anyway it's a product of evil PBS and multiculturalism so the fundie don't want anything to do with it.

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foodfight
Feb 10, 2009
Christian horror: http://youtu.be/-05Wmrqhqjs

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




"Holy Moley Productions" just might be the best thing about that film.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

I see the fine cinematic tradition of The Life Zone is being continued:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn_Iq9D_Clg

E: Also, who gets their pornography from magazines anymore?

Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Dec 14, 2013

Lets! Get! Weird!
Aug 18, 2012

Black King Bazinga

Casimir Radon posted:

Now if you wanted to teach kiddies about the Revolutionary War PBS and Walter Cronkite put together a show about 10 years ago called Liberty's Kids.

You should have kids watch this just for the fact that Arnold Schwarzenegger is Baron von Stueben, Ben Stiller is Thomas Jefferson, and Liam Neeson is John Paul Jones.

Metrodextrous
Aug 6, 2007

alright dude whatever

i hope ur asshole grows shut
Being raised Lutheran I got exposed to a lot of this stuff. I can back up Veggie Tales being mostly inoffensive early on, and Bible Man, Left Behind, and all the other Kirk Cameron stuff being supremely lovely. Not to mention my 12 year old brain finally getting some perspective when I was taken on one of our many trips to the christian book store and saw one particular book condemning Pokemon and Harry Potter as being tools of the devil.

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

This thread is just reminding me of the time I went to see Extreme Days and the theme was done by TobyMac and it was :c00l: as hell.

I also very distinctly remember this being relatively okay. I mean, the first few minutes are on youtube and it just seems like the Early 2000-est movie of all time without offending our dear protestant sensibilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSi2h-B1NQ

Tesla Insanely Coil
Jul 23, 2006

Ask me why I'm not squatting.

Random Stranger posted:

The question of "Why does God let bad things happen?" has been at the center of Christian theological thinking for as long as there has been Christianity. It's something that Christians have to deal with every day if they're going to remain Christians. Being presented with that question in a film with a Christian movie isn't going to shake anyone.


One problem with modern Christianity is prosperity theology, which states materially good things will happen to good people. I think it's poisoned everything - it's made racism worse, contributed to the immorality of the Republican Party, etc. It's why these movies don't show Christians suffering - that's contradictory to the type of faith they're selling. I mean really, there's a book in the Bible titled Lamentations. Obviously bad things happen to good people. But church leaders avoid those kinds of questions and it makes them useless.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Pththya-lyi posted:

E: Also, who gets their pornography from magazines anymore?
The people who make these movies.

joylessdivision
Jun 15, 2013



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOlzjMBkMh4

This was just.... ugh. It's incredibly dumb, and anti-science to the max.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
I'm loving this thread! I saw an episode of Bibleman back when I was going to church, although my church was pretty progressive, so even our youth pastor was making fun of it with how bad it was. Other than a copy of Jesus Christ Superstar (which I never watched) being gifted to me for Easter once, that's about the extent of exposure.

Of course this leads me to making up stories about what could actually be a good Christian movie. Sadly every one tends to lead to having to have the church involved and things getting better. I just want to see one where the ethnic sidekick, complete with the racisim tropes, turns out to be Jesus at the end, and the protagonist was an rear end in a top hat all along.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



joylessdivision posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOlzjMBkMh4

This was just.... ugh. It's incredibly dumb, and anti-science to the max.

There has been a lot of SF stories about that topic but none of them handled it as stupidly as that trailer.

Edit: The Google auto complete when I search for the film is "ending explained". And in my desperate search for what this ending is and why it has to be explained I've found out more interesting things.

Watch the trailer first because you'll want to be completely baffled when you see it:
Apparently there was another movie about cloning Jesus going wrong called Revelations and they spliced Jesus DNA with billionaire DNA. That's a set up for a punchline so easy that I won't lower myself to use it.

From what I'm reading, I don't think this is a "Christian movie"; it's more of a religion-themed thriller. However, everything I'm finding makes it sound to be hilariously awful so I'm going to try to watch it.

Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Dec 19, 2013

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Iron Crowned posted:

I'm loving this thread! I saw an episode of Bibleman back when I was going to church, although my church was pretty progressive, so even our youth pastor was making fun of it with how bad it was. Other than a copy of Jesus Christ Superstar (which I never watched) being gifted to me for Easter once, that's about the extent of exposure.

Is Jesus Christ Superstar really that Christian? It doesn't show the resurrection, Jesus is kind of a dick, Judas is portrayed sympathetically, and the headliner song is questioning Jesus about what the hell he thinks he's trying to do.

aslan
Mar 27, 2012
Jesus Christ Superstar comes out of the hippie-Jesus movement of the late '60s and '70s (see also: Godspell, to a lesser extent Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, to a way lesser extent Hair) as opposed to the more right-wing evangelical Christian movement that began in the early '80s. Still definitely Christian, but its purpose was quite a bit different from most of the stuff in this thread, which all comes from the later conservative trend.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


One Christmas grandma gave a VHS copy of The Creation Adventure Team: 6 Short Days, One Big Adventure to my brother.

Which teaches you that if evolution is being taught in your school you should take that as an opportunity to preach creationism to everyone, at the end they will all accept this and clap. If you recognize the dinosaur man from somewhere but can't quite place him, it's because there's a statue of him at the Creation Museum, the same people are behind both ventures.

Somebody cut it down to a 10 minute highlight reel.

Currently grandma is really pissed off about some conspiracy theory that our school board is planning to make boys and girls shower together, which is being pushed by THE GAYS (You know how much THE GAYS like to peep at vagina!)

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



Casimir Radon posted:

One Christmas grandma gave a VHS copy of The Creation Adventure Team: 6 Short Days, One Big Adventure to my brother.

Which teaches you that if evolution is being taught in your school you should take that as an opportunity to preach creationism to everyone, at the end they will all accept this and clap. If you recognize the dinosaur man from somewhere but can't quite place him, it's because there's a statue of him at the Creation Museum, the same people are behind both ventures.

Somebody cut it down to a 10 minute highlight reel.

Currently grandma is really pissed off about some conspiracy theory that our school board is planning to make boys and girls shower together, which is being pushed by THE GAYS (You know how much THE GAYS like to peep at vagina!)

I-I-I . . . I can't even begin to comprehend the type of message it's trying to convey when there's a DINOSAUR MAN on the cover.

Robotnik Nudes
Jul 8, 2013

Davros1 posted:

I-I-I . . . I can't even begin to comprehend the type of message it's trying to convey when there's a DINOSAUR MAN on the cover.

Kids love dinosaurs. If a scientist says the earth is billions of years old and the dinosaur laughs at him and his beard and says he's 6000 years old, and he should know, who is a kid going to believe?

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

Dante Logos posted:

Now I just have to throw this out there. Are you willing to review this film sober/slightly inebriated? Like do a play by play of the film? Because I'm curious about what you'll think about the film once you take a good look at it.
Do you really want me to hate the one Christian movie I've kind of enjoyed? Really?

Keanu Grieves
Dec 30, 2002

Corek posted:

The drug gang there looks like Tobias' "street toughs" in Arrested Development.
Too bad the protags weren't Hot Cops. If they were, I'd probably enjoy Courageous sans drugs.

Lets! Get! Weird!
Aug 18, 2012

Black King Bazinga

The kids are watching this at the beginning of Jesus Camp.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Davros1 posted:

I-I-I . . . I can't even begin to comprehend the type of message it's trying to convey when there's a DINOSAUR MAN on the cover.

I'm going to assume that the reason we don't have dinosaur men anymore is that god murdered all of them to teach us a lesson.

But not a lesson about evolution.

joylessdivision
Jun 15, 2013



Random Stranger posted:

There has been a lot of SF stories about that topic but none of them handled it as stupidly as that trailer.

Edit: The Google auto complete when I search for the film is "ending explained". And in my desperate search for what this ending is and why it has to be explained I've found out more interesting things.

Watch the trailer first because you'll want to be completely baffled when you see it:
Apparently there was another movie about cloning Jesus going wrong called Revelations and they spliced Jesus DNA with billionaire DNA. That's a set up for a punchline so easy that I won't lower myself to use it.

From what I'm reading, I don't think this is a "Christian movie"; it's more of a religion-themed thriller. However, everything I'm finding makes it sound to be hilariously awful so I'm going to try to watch it.



I felt like it was a very preachy film, but then again I also haven't watched something like "Left Behind" so my barometer of preachy Christian silliness is maybe a little under used.

Also, Bibleman is so loving hysterical. It's a little sad when you hear Willie Aames talk about how he became a born again Christian, but then you watch Bibleman and I don't feel so bad.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Lets! Get! Weird! posted:

The kids are watching this at the beginning of Jesus Camp.
You get a pretty good glimpse of how those kind of families operate in Jesus Camp, from what I remember they showed the kids watching a lot of homeschooling poo poo and being really excited about it. The main family they profiled also had their massive copy of Lord of the Rings taking up a lot of space in the middle of their dinner table which makes me think it was intentionally staged their for some reason.

Robotnik Nudes
Jul 8, 2013

Casimir Radon posted:

You get a pretty good glimpse of how those kind of families operate in Jesus Camp, from what I remember they showed the kids watching a lot of homeschooling poo poo and being really excited about it. The main family they profiled also had their massive copy of Lord of the Rings taking up a lot of space in the middle of their dinner table which makes me think it was intentionally staged their for some reason.

If there's two things homeschooled kids loving love it's LOTR and Narnia.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Robotnik Nudes posted:

If there's two things homeschooled kids loving love it's LOTR and Narnia.
The movies must be a pretty schizophrenic experience for them. Ian Mckellen is gay, and Disney loves them queers.

TheBigBudgetSequel
Nov 25, 2008

It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me.

Casimir Radon posted:

The movies must be a pretty schizophrenic experience for them. Ian Mckellen is gay, and Disney loves them queers.

Some Baptist association has long had a "boycott" against Disney for the Gay Days thing at Disney World and Disneyland (which Disney doesn't have anything to do with, they just let the people into the park for the day) and they temporarily ended it so their churches could go see Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe (Disney even had a phone line to call to book church screenings of the film)

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


TheBigBudgetSequel posted:

Some Baptist association has long had a "boycott" against Disney for the Gay Days thing at Disney World and Disneyland (which Disney doesn't have anything to do with, they just let the people into the park for the day) and they temporarily ended it so their churches could go see Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe (Disney even had a phone line to call to book church screenings of the film)
Ha. The Gay Days thing isn't the only thing there to irk fundies. They've offered health benefits to same sex partners since 1995, allowed gay marriages at their resorts since 2007, current Disney World president George Kalogridis is openly gay, and some of the most beloved of their animated features had important contributions from gays (Elton John, Howard Ashman).

Robotnik Nudes
Jul 8, 2013

Casimir Radon posted:

The movies must be a pretty schizophrenic experience for them. Ian Mckellen is gay, and Disney loves them queers.

A lot of Christians understand that actors aren't the people they play. There's also a lot of diversity in the strains of whack-a-doodle beliefs amongst homeschoolers (but there's always some) and LOTR and Narnia are things that even parents who won't kids read Harry Potter will still permit, so they create a kind of shared acceptable degree of pop culture for homeschool kids who exist at different states of cultural filtering.

Weirdly enough, Douglas Adams is pretty popular with a lot of homeschool kids.

foodfight
Feb 10, 2009
The X-Files parody was unexpected.

gnomewife
Oct 24, 2010
I spent my summer in Utah, and one day several of us went to Temple Square in SLC. We caught a showing of the Joseph Smith biographical film. It is magical. It's like the worst B-movie with great production values. I want to own a copy of it. Apparently, there's a few different versions and scenes that the Church rotates out on a regular basis to encourage people to come back.

Friends Are Evil
Oct 25, 2010

cats cats cats



Casimir Radon posted:

One Christmas grandma gave a VHS copy of The Creation Adventure Team: 6 Short Days, One Big Adventure to my brother.

Which teaches you that if evolution is being taught in your school you should take that as an opportunity to preach creationism to everyone, at the end they will all accept this and clap. If you recognize the dinosaur man from somewhere but can't quite place him, it's because there's a statue of him at the Creation Museum, the same people are behind both ventures.

Somebody cut it down to a 10 minute highlight reel.

Currently grandma is really pissed off about some conspiracy theory that our school board is planning to make boys and girls shower together, which is being pushed by THE GAYS (You know how much THE GAYS like to peep at vagina!)

They can't even get their dumb, outdated X-Files references right. Scully/Dinosaur Man is supposed to be the skeptic, not Non-Descript White Man/Mulder.

If they can't reference a 90's TV show right, how am I supposed to trust their theories?

Eh! Frank
Mar 28, 2006

Doctor gave me these, I said what are these?
He said that they'll cure an existential type disease
VeggieTales is bland, at worst, but there's occasional gems like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpcf_qD3GW4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uv8Ej4CEoQ

Actually, the Silly Songs are pretty much always the best part. Still, as mentioned most of them are child-friendly versions of Biblical stories and such teaching various morals and life lessons. Light-hearted and inoffensive (unless you just find all religious stuff offensive), and a great way to keep my nephew entertained when babysitting.

Robotnik Nudes
Jul 8, 2013

Bibleman is the lamest superhero ever. He just tries to stop kids from gossiping or fighting and has the worst villains. They always tried to be cartoony and lightly meta about how goofy the bad guys were but really it's just poo poo.

Sometimes I like to daydream about interesting ways to launch a Bibleman reboot that would be lightly subversive, and kind of Hijack an IP.

Hewlett
Mar 4, 2005

"DANCE! DANCE! DANCE!"

Also, drink
and watch movies.
That's fun too.

Robotnik Nudes posted:

Bibleman is the lamest superhero ever. He just tries to stop kids from gossiping or fighting and has the worst villains. They always tried to be cartoony and lightly meta about how goofy the bad guys were but really it's just poo poo.

Sometimes I like to daydream about interesting ways to launch a Bibleman reboot that would be lightly subversive, and kind of Hijack an IP.

Maybe something like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl-oU0_PKAY

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Casimir Radon posted:

One Christmas grandma gave a VHS copy of The Creation Adventure Team: 6 Short Days, One Big Adventure to my brother.

Which teaches you that if evolution is being taught in your school you should take that as an opportunity to preach creationism to everyone, at the end they will all accept this and clap. If you recognize the dinosaur man from somewhere but can't quite place him, it's because there's a statue of him at the Creation Museum, the same people are behind both ventures.

I live about 45 minutes away from the Creation Museum. I was going to go see it once, but I got to the door, and decided that $35 for pseudoscience was not worth that much. So I went to the aquarium and petted some sharks for $20 instead.

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011

by VideoGames

Casimir Radon posted:

One Christmas grandma gave a VHS copy of The Creation Adventure Team: 6 Short Days, One Big Adventure to my brother.

Which teaches you that if evolution is being taught in your school you should take that as an opportunity to preach creationism to everyone, at the end they will all accept this and clap. If you recognize the dinosaur man from somewhere but can't quite place him, it's because there's a statue of him at the Creation Museum, the same people are behind both ventures.

Somebody cut it down to a 10 minute highlight reel.

Currently grandma is really pissed off about some conspiracy theory that our school board is planning to make boys and girls shower together, which is being pushed by THE GAYS (You know how much THE GAYS like to peep at vagina!)

I'm a minute in and this is already amazing "Scientists say dinosaurs never co-existed with man, how do they know, I mean, were they there?"

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




I'm going to choose to believe man and dinosaurs lived together, and man rode dinosaurs, because that's just far too cool to let silly things like 'facts' and 'science' to get in the way of.

Paper Jam Dipper
Jul 14, 2007

by XyloJW

Improbable Lobster posted:

When me and my sister were wee tots we loved Veggietales.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A74dEskT6s
I didn't even realize it was a religious thing until the Jonah and the Whale thing they did, though that was probably more because I did not recognise the christian elements.

I watched this in religion class. My teacher would bring various forms of Christian media in hopes to get people to enjoy it. She had no issue with me mocking everything from DC Talk to Plus One but my two exceptions were the crush I had on Stacie Orrico and that Cheeseburger song from VeggieTales.

Lets! Get! Weird!
Aug 18, 2012

Black King Bazinga

OldTennisCourt posted:

I'm a minute in and this is already amazing "Scientists say dinosaurs never co-existed with man, how do they know, I mean, were they there?"

The best part is the dinosaur just tickling him because Death wasn't A Thing yet.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he



We don't really have much of a fundie culture here in the UK (although the recent gay marriage laws really pulled them out of the woodwork) so I initially found the Holy Avenger scenes to be kind of awkward and unnecessarily mean. Realising that they were making fun of a show that actually exists was a surreal bit of culture shock.

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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Lets! Get! Weird! posted:

The best part is the dinosaur just tickling him because Death wasn't A Thing yet.
I'm kind of surprised how competent the dinosaur man is done. Buddy Davis is apparently a taxidermist who made a bunch of the Creation Museum's dinosaurs, so that's probably why. Talk about misusing your talents.

The Creation Museum looks like it has a really nice facility, I wish they'd go bankrupt so something nice could be put in there.

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