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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Steve Yun posted:

There's Christian media, and then there's "Christian media"

There are plenty of songs on the radio about Jesus, about God, about Christianity, and they're good songs with thoughtful lyrics. Chart toppers, even. These tend to talk about religion in a way non-religious people can appreciate. Then you have the artists who are only sold in Christian book stores because their songs would never make it in the arena of the music market. Lyrics in these songs tend to be more exclusionary. The vocabulary they use is church talk and anyone who isn't religious feels like an outside peering in.

There are plenty of movies and books and movies based on books about Christianity and Christ figures that are critically acclaimed; Wrath of Khan, Lord of the Rings, Superman, Alien III, etc. You even have movies that are about literal, non-metaphorical Christianity, and have some moral complexity, like The Mission. Then you have the poo poo that this thread is about.

I was totally blindsided by the religious message in This Is The End. It probably had more to say about Christian morals (and from two Jewish boys, no less) than any of these films here in between the bouts of drug use and jokes about jacking off and dicks. Lesson here is "don't be preachy, let the message come naturally" and "dick jokes".

Infamous Sphere posted:

I think christian media also differs a bit depending on what brand of Christianity you have. Catholicism, for instance, isn't quite the same as evangelical christianity - I don't think there's such a big theme of nothing ever being bad for people who believe in the true love and light of Jebus, because Catholicism is really big on suffering (see: passion of the Christ). I was raised Catholic, but pretty liberally so - however, I did have the opportunity to see Joshua, which I thought was lame, and this sort of..animated bible stories show, called..Bible Adventures or something, which wasn't that bad all told - because things that are just basic retellings of bible stories don't tend to have nearly that whole insidious manipulative message about Good Christian Families or whatever else. Plus, when you're a kid, you just watch it going "oh, the ark! Oh yay, the garden of eden!" and you interpret it as the same sort of thing as Goldilocks, or Oliver! or whatever else. Or at least I did.

This wasn't Superbook or the Flying House, wasn't it? They were Japanese animated shows from the early '80s, I believe one of them was actually financed by Pat Robertson. Despite that, they weren't bad shows, especially considering that they came from Japan and were for the most part made for Japanese audiences who aren't just not Christian but also tend to be not religious altogether with Buddhism and their own native religion Shinto. The funny thing is that Tatsunoko, the production studio who made both shows, did this in between Gatchaman (i.e. Battle Of The Planets and G-Force) and Super-Dimenstional Fortress Macross and the other two shows that would make up the series Robotech.

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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

HellOnEarth posted:



And then there's the best motherfucker in this movie, Satan, who is some kind of glitter skull-themed Liberache and is the main reason that the babysitter's plan backfired, because how was I ever going to see this guy and not think he was the absolute best.

:iamafag: More lamé for the Lamé God! :razz:

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Malaleb posted:

I watched a short film called Final Exit when I was in middle school youth group in the 90s. Here's a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgKItt2O-eo. At one point in my life, I found this video very compelling, but watching it now, it is absolutely atrocious.

The film makes sure not to tell you for sure what is going to happen to them (because only God can do that), but it makes it pretty darn clear through black and white flashbacks what is going to happen to each of them.

-The convicted murderer - heaven - because even though he was a terrible person, he believed in God and said a prayer before he was killed (Whew! Close one.)
-The liberal academic - hell - because even though he went to church and was seen as a good member of society, he was an atheist at heart and was unswayed by the "Liar, Lunatic, Savior" argument.
-The victim's sister - heaven - because she not only went to youth group but she said a prayer (saying the right prayer seems to be the key) and she legit believed in Jesus.
-Her friend - hell - because even though he went to youth group he never said that prayer.

And poo poo like this is why the world is such a horrible place. By making the way into heaven the equivalent of giving the password to a bouncer at a club, you open the door to all sorts of justifications for continuing pain and misery in the world. Everyone knows it's hard work serving their fellow man, but it costs nothing to say a prayer for Jebus.

This is kinda why I like the message of This Is The End, where the characters who get into heaven have to prove themselves worthy through self-sacrifice and piety. When all of the survivors find out about the calling up, there's even a point where they start cleaning up their language and kind words, at which point Jay Baruchel admits it's not going to work, it has to be deeds.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Vedius Pollio posted:

So, although it doesn't quite count as fundy propaganda, since it was apparently (inexplicably) made by a Jewish director, has anyone here ever seen 1991's The Rapture?



"It goes places movies seldom dare to go" -For good reason.

My father and I ended up going into this blind on a VHS we had found buried in the bookshelf years ago. It is a weird loving movie. It bounces between debauched swinger sex in a furniture store with a mullet-donning David Duchovny to smug holier-than-thou apocalyptic death-cult evangelizing. Also there's a hobo who really doesn't know when to shut the gently caress up about Maine and clone sex, or something.

We Hate Movies did a great summation of the film, which forced me to rekindle my interest in the flick: http://www.whmpodcast.com/2012/12/episode-89-rapture.html

Yeah, I've seen it although it's been awhile and I might forget stuff and put things out of order. The interesting thing about the movie is that, up until the last fifteen-twenty minutes, it's played as a psychological thriller. You're not sure if Mimi Rogers has cracked from all these pressures and has latched onto the Rapture as some means to find a way to find some sense of meaning in her life, which unfortunately leads her to the conclusion to kill her daughter because she can't wait for the Rapture to come any longer.

And then the horns blow.

It also challenges the annoying point of the whole "Say the 'Jesus' password to the bouncer" concept when the lifelong atheist says the magic words and is ushered into heaven almost immediately after the Rapture happens, while Mimi Rogers' character stays in purgatory by her own volition, refusing to accept God because of what God has done to her.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Your Gay Uncle posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-05Wmrqhqjs

Having been to a few church lock ins this trailer is extra hilarious to me. If one Playboy can do all this I can only assume all pornography stores are poltergeist filled hell swamps.

"A correlation between pornography and demon activity"? So, instead of going for the obvious "reading/watching porno opens you up to demon possession and turns you into a goddamned rape monster, Ted Bundy-style", which is what I had thought this poo poo would go, they went with a Paranormal Activity ripoff?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Why would his own supporters be part of this conspiracy?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

precision posted:

More Christian movies should be like The Apostle. drat that film is good. Probably way too honest for megachurch-going Christians.

Or alternately, This Is The End, where the Christian message kinda sneaks up on you through the dick jokes.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

bobkatt013 posted:

How about having parties that are lit by burning Roman Catholics?

This isn't Northern Ireland. :rolleyes:

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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

raditts posted:

This made me laugh out loud because I could totally visualize the entire thing, right up to Hank's quivering lip at the end.

Someone really needs to make something like Modern Seinfeld for King Of The Hill. I still want Hank reacting to Bobby and Bill's fandom with My Little Pony.

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