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Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

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I see the fine cinematic tradition of The Life Zone is being continued:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn_Iq9D_Clg

E: Also, who gets their pornography from magazines anymore?

Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Dec 14, 2013

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Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

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Random Stranger posted:

You never see protestants kicking vampire rear end.

Solomon Kane is a "Puritan" (it's in scare quotes because Kane cares less about religious orthodoxy than he does about kicking both supernatural and mundane rear end).

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

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I was at the mall today and saw an ad for Noah, a Darren Aronofsky epic starring Russell Crowe, Jennifer Connelly, Emma Watson, and Anthony Hopkins that's going to come out this March.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qmj5mhDwJQ

Unsurprisingly, it's going to take a lot of liberties with the Biblical account, so we will have to see how religious people will take it.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

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Shanty posted:

If it goes half as batshit insane as the early draft one goon described in another thread, I will be giddy with excitement for this.

Link, please?

Unfortunately, according to the Wikipedia article on the film, the test audiences had "worrisome" reactions to the film, so the batshittery's probably going to be toned down in the final cut.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

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Shanty posted:

PriorMarcus describes it in a series of posts starting here.

Thanks very much!

In return, I'd like to give the thread a link to Brian Godawa's blog post on the first draft: "Darren Aronofsky's Noah: Environmentalist Wacko." It is a well-reasoned critique, despite the inflammatory (though not unjustified, IMO) title. It sounds like the movie has changed quite a bit from that draft.

Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jan 13, 2014

Pththya-lyi
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I allow that Godawa is using fallacies such as No True Scotsman. But religious people use fallacies all the time - and I'm including myself in that indictment even though I like to think of myself as a pretty rational person. ("What difference does it make if Christianity is a fairy tale? It makes me feel good and inspires me to be a better person!" As if Christianity is the only possible moral system that can make me happy and good.) I'm intentionally holding religious people to a lower standard. In this case, Godawa's claims about God's will (that humanity is called to be good stewards of the Earth) are supported by a straightforward, non-tortured reading of the Bible, so he meets my standards for a "rational" Christian. That's more than I can say for lots of Biblical "analysts." (For instance, the Bible puts a huge emphasis on charity towards the poor and not so much on sexual purity - but guess which one conservative Christians seem to care more about?)

Pththya-lyi
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What else would you expect from the people who invented the CrocoDuck?

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

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The problem is that journals and other publishers would generally like to put out new material, so when you submit old material without mentioning where else it's been printed ("A previous version of this essay was published in Blah Blah") that's seen as dishonest. It may also be copyright infringement!

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

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It even depicts an angry little person who gets punted down an airplane slide. ~*Christian Love*~

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

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My own church had a movie night last weekend. We watched Luther (2003) 'cause we're Lutherans commemorating Reformation month. It was a decent movie - excellent production values and attention to historical accuracy, so-so story - making it quite good for a movie funded by a religious organization.

Pththya-lyi
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KingsPawn posted:

You know, I just finished reading the Bible recently and it still astounds me that people who identify with Christianity have never even taken the time to read the book. I kind of have a feeling that maybe some of these Christian films are based off of a loose reading of the Bible. I mean, if you are going to make a Christian film, why not just make some movies about David, Solomon, or Saul's conversion to Christianity? I mean you can even use the Roman Empire as some sort of corporation that controls and produces everything. You know, maybe I should write a screen play...

I'd love to see a play or a movie about King Saul. It's like a classic Greek tragedy - a great man brought down by his hubris.

Pththya-lyi
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Xibanya posted:

Per synopsis and youtube clips of God's Not Dead, I have concluded that the film is bad in part because there are no real stakes.

I'm going to reference my earlier post on types of death; thread newcomers can see the posts by clicking the ? under my avatar.

First type of death: actual death. Never on the table.

Second type of death: social death, eg, public humiliation, being cast out from society, etc. The fact that once the protagonist trounces his erratic hysterical atheist professor in a debate everyone stands and claps shows that everyone was on the main character's side the whole time (it appears that throughout the film we also see that nobody likes the prof; they all think he's an rear end in a top hat.) Even if the main character lost the debate, failed the class, whatever, everyone would have still admired him and thought he was brave or some bullshit.

Third type of death: spiritual death, losing one's faith or becoming a broken person - again, never on the table. Though I haven't seen the movie, cursory research shows that the main character never wavers in his faith. The threat of failing a college course is not enough to make him consider atheism. Which is great because half of my college chums failed at least one class and that didn't turn any of them into shambling wrecks (at least, not any more of a shambling wreck then some of them already were :2bong: )

So yeah in essence the story is about a bright, untroubled young man, supported by his community and self-confident, driving some pathetic crazy person into a nervous breakdown and then the pathetic crazy person dies, but not before conceding that the main character was totally awesome and right about everything.

Yep, that reminds me of that really great story I like. It's about the guy who succeeds at everything, then he does a good job. The end.

The protagonist does actually face a flaw and overcomes it: Josh has a girlfriend, Kara, who's got their lives all planned out, and at the start of the film he is content to go along with what she wants. (This is a flaw because obeying God's Will For Your LifeTM is everyone's proper purpose in evangelical Christianity - when your loved ones' desires and God's WillTM conflict, you have to go with GWFYLTM. Also a relationship where the woman is in a position of authority over the man contradicts the doctrine of male headship - see Ephesians 5:23 and 1 Corinthians 11:3.) When Raddison introduces his class requirement, Josh recognizes that God wants him to reject atheism and witness to the class, but that putting his grade on the line interferes with Kara's plans for him - he has to choose between GWFYLTM and Kara's. Josh delays that choice by preparing for the debate behind Kara's back, but when she catches and confronts him with her ultimatum, he ends up making the right decision and breaks up with her instead of disobeying God.

e: Also, Josh doesn't necessarily know that everyone will follow him in accepting God - yes, the students don't like Raddison's bullying behavior, but they go along with their professor's wishes because they are afraid of the consequences he can inflict on them (i.e. a bad grade and the "social death" that comes with being labeled an idiot.) When Josh defeats Raddison in the debate, he breaks Raddison's power over the students and they are free to openly embrace God.

Pththya-lyi fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Apr 10, 2015

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

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Yes, spiritual death - if he rejects God's call to righteousness, Josh will have to live with his cowardice for the rest of his mortal life. If he succumbs to Raddison's atheism and does not repent before his death, he may even earn eternal torment in Hell! (The Book of Revelation repeatedly refers to that fate as "the second death.")

Pththya-lyi
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Mordiceius posted:

This is one the stupidest things I've ever read.

I hope you're saying it's the movie logic that's stupid and not my interpretation! :shobon: Either way, I'd like you to elaborate, please.

Pththya-lyi
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SocketWrench posted:

You're not going to face a social death because you failed one class....unless your parents/friends are complete assholes in which case why does their opinion matter? Your social death is hyperbole

IIRC, the kids in the movie seem awfully worried about something when they're all signing the paper saying "God is Dead" in the first act. What do you think they're worried about, if not bad grades and scorn?

Pththya-lyi
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Arsenic Lupin posted:

"Other than C.S. Lewis"? Have you read That Hideous Strength? Straw atheists, straw feminists, straw everything Lewis doesn't like.

He failed badly at making Major Hardcastle unlikable, I thought she was super-cool. Cigar-smoking lesbian badass? Sign me up :swoon:

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Pththya-lyi
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JediTalentAgent posted:

I wondered what the Capalert site had to say on Remember the Titans and I was surprised under "Offenses to God" they didn't go into taking points off for referring to the Greco-Roman mythology.

Probably they never learned about the mythological Titans in (home)school and were never curious as to where the word "titan" came from.

I was curious how badly CapAlert would slam The Last Temptation of Christ, only to find that it has never been reviewed! How will good Christians know to avoid a movie where Jesus lusts after Mary Magdalene?

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