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DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Dante Logos posted:

Like The Lock-In

It's 5 bux on their website. I'm buying it tonight.

Oh god a "pay 5bux to download this poo poo" button, they've found my Achilles' Heel :ohdear:

It's like Steam, but with a hilariously bad movie instead of a game I should really get around to playing at some point,

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DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Just finished The Lock-In, definitely going to be doing a video review of it soon. Really really bad. Even at 88 minutes it drags like a motherfucker, probably since there's only four "real" scares in the movie, the rest is just people dicking around a church being afraid (except for the 30-minute setup, which almost had me thinking the movie was a spoof, it was that cornball).

Some highlights:

- The trailer spoils basically everything; and even if you haven't seen the trailer, literally the fifth line of the movie is "I now believe there is a correlation between pornography and demon activity".
- One of the first scenes is basically a recreation of the infamous Transformers "...were you masturbating?" scene, except imagine that Shia Labeouf's parents are both Ned Flanders and the scene is played deadly straight.
- The plot is set in motion by dumpster diving.
- The demon paranormal activity is caused by one kid bringing a girly mag to the lock-in as a prank, but one character (in a scene that has nothing to do with the rest of the movie) is a legitimate porn addict and experiences nothing worse than a vague feeling of unease.
- The movie ends with a character commanding the demon to leave in the name of Jesus, thereby defeating the entire message of the film by implying that you can look at all the porn you want, so long as you say a Hail Mary while you're wiping up your cum.
- It's also kinda sorta got an it was all just a dream ending, but with an implied Contact-style twist of the film being eventually found.

I mean, there are legitimate moral issues involved with pornography, and the only one that the movie (passingly) touches on is the addiction element. But the movie isn't about porn addiction, no named character in the film is shown to regularly use pornography! The movie's whole message is "Porn will make demons gently caress your poo poo up", but anybody who this message could be relevant to knows that it's bullshit!

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012


While your heart's in the right place, I think you're severely overthinking it (I'd also recommend watching the movie before formulating an opinion on its worldview).

The film doesn't engage with the actual moral questions of porn at all, beyond throwing out some canned lines ("that's somebody's daughter"). There isn't any kind of discussion on the morality of it, because this video is coming from a worldview that doesn't tolerate discussion. It comes roaring out of the starting gate with the assumption that PORN IS THE DEVIL, and everything else exists to rationalize something they've already concluded.

That's the most important thing to keep in mind: these people did not arrive at the belief that porn is bad after weighing the moral issues surrounding it, they hate porn because it's a sex thing. And they know that in the age of the internet, they can do absolutely nothing about it. They've got endless methods to regulate dating, making sure that people don't so much as kiss before their wedding day, but what somebody does when they're alone at home is very hard to regulate, unless you're prepared to revoke any kind of privacy, and the vast majority of people just don't care enough to do that.

I'd like to give the filmmakers the benefit of the doubt in that they don't engage with the morality of porn production because the film isn't aimed at porn producers, it's aimed at porn consumers. I think it's legitimate to only deal with one of those things, in theory. But again, it's not even accurate to say that the film "deals with" anything, anymore than a DARE class "deals with" drug use. Actually, I'd say that's a pretty solid analogy; except where DARE would use exaggerated information with a kernel of truth, and present worst-case scenarios as inevitabilities, The Lock-In just threatens the audience with supernatural retribution.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

K. Waste posted:

It doesn't really matter whether the filmmakers came to their beliefs "after weighing the moral issues," or if they simply don't like 'sex things' because they're Christian. Personally, I think that's somewhat reductive and impertinent.

If you read a "lol christians" tone into my post, I did not intend that. I am a (fairly devout) Christian, and when I say that the movie's arguments are post-hoc rationalizations, I'm speaking from experience.

And it does matter, insofar as it shapes the direction the movie takes. Namely, if you wanted to make a movie that was about the reasons why porn is morally questionable, you wouldn't do it as a Paranormal Activity knock-off. That makes no sense whatsoever. Unless all you care about, morally, is the very act of looking at or possessing pornography.

Maybe I should have been clearer, but this movie has a 100% spiritual warfare worldview. There is nothing metaphoric about the demons in the film. The Lock-In is about how looking at porn literally opens you up to demon possession. Spiritual Warfare does not believe in morality the way that you and I do. In the Spiritual Warfare worldview, things aren't bad because of ethical reasons, they're bad because demons. I'm not joking or exaggerating. There is a list of Jesus Things and a list of Satan Things, and there's no discussing it because that's simply the way things are.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Another thing just occurred to me about this lovely movie: the framing device of the found footage establishes that the church decides to keep the film incredibly secret, despite it being irrefutable physical proof of Christianity, and not just Christianity, but their incredibly specific interpretation of Christianity. They should be running to CNN with this footage screaming "Look at this! We were right all along!"

I can maybe imagine the Vatican keeping something like this a secret for philosophical reasons, but not some American Baptist holy roller church. No way.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

sleepingbuddha posted:

This movie seems especially hilarious to me because my earliest sexual adventures occurred at church lock ins. Apparently we were poorly supervised. Youth group was always a funny collection of the true believer teens and the bad kids whose parents thought church youth group would help them.

This is amusing to me, because one of the early scenes in the film is the youth pastor laying down ground rules for the lock-in, and literally all of them are NO SEX, NO PORN; and everybody I've shown the movie to has had the same reaction of "is this really a problem? And if so, why are they even having a lock-in at all?"

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

All the kids in my church youth group were either related or had known each other from a young enough age for the Westermarck effect to kick in, so all of this is totally alien to me.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

This Valentines Day, two assuredly lovely movies will do battle. 50 Shades VS. Old Fashioned: whoever wins, we lose.


Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

“A story that, without apology, explores the possibility of a higher standard in relationships; yet, is also fully aware of just how fragile we all are and doesn’t seek to heap guilt upon those of us that have made mistakes.”

Swartzwelder plays a former frat boy and Elizabeth Ann Roberts will portray a free-spirited woman.

Okay first, that's bullshit. Second of all, I'm willing to bet $100 American that despite being a "former frat boy" and a "free-spirited woman", both the leads will still be virginal 30-somethings.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

The pinnacle of Christian music, and perhaps Christian media in general:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnzcZj_8DM0

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Apparently Nic Cage just phones it in, so the movie isn't even worth it for that.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Detective No. 27 posted:

Nicholas Cage not playing the Antichrist is a real missed opportunity.

Apparently the Antichrist isn't even in it. It's just an adaptation of like the first third of the book.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

If they're only doing a third of a book at each shot, Fred Clark will be done the series before they are.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A43lybhrHtY

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

lol at the people itt unironically saying that "a movie that advances a conservative agenda cannot be any good", when that exact sentiment reversed politically is what leads to the movies in this thread.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

How so? Do you mean that Old Fashioned and Alongside Night are going to radicalize someone into making communist propaganda films structured around a bricklayer being pressured into reading Marx and building bombs in the basement?

I literally cannot parse what you're saying, so let me drop out of GBS mode to explain that what I meant is that these movies exist to appeal to people who can't tolerate movies with what they view as liberal agendas. I know some of them, and they literally consider the film's "moral correctness" as the primary, or even only, measure of its quality; so saying that a right-wing movie can never be good is the precise thing these people are saying, just swap out the word left for right.

Xibanya posted:

But think about it: a conservative agenda involves deferring to already established power structures. So a conservative story involves obeying power and/or opposing those with less power. That just isn't a very fun narrative. Haven't you ever heard of an underdog? It's much more interesting to see a story about defending the powerless AGAINST the powerful.

Are you going to genuinely argue that the only good narrative is an underdog story? Because that's a laughably simplistic and shallow view of, well, storytelling as a whole. I ask you to think about it: are all detective stories inherently bad, because a criminal, inherently, is an underdog against the police. Your position also disregards that a fictional story can frame a political conservative as an underdog: would a movie about a senator trying to pass anti-gay legislation, fighting a liberal controlled government, be a "much more interesting" story purely by virtue of his being an underdog?

The fact of the matter is that there are dozens, hundreds of films that we would consider great that still have a politically conservative perspective, the currently hippest example to name being Ghostbusters. You can even make an argument that the action genre is inherently conservative, due to inherently being about the righteous application of violence.

At the end of the day, you're rating a film's quality by its political stance, and that is exactly what the people who pay money to see God's Not Dead do, they've simply arrived at the opposite conclusion to you.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

muscles like this? posted:

That spin off was weird because they got rid of Fred and Velma but kept Daphne.

13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo was weird because it's clearly meant to be lovely, like everybody involved was just pissed to be working on Scooby Doo and 13 Ghosts is their practical joke at the expense of Hannah Barbara.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Neo Rasa posted:

My friend, have you ever seen the film Tribulation?

Spoilered because this sounds like a loving pro watch:

wikipedia posted:


It is the present day. In their home, the family Camboro - Eileen, Calvin and Tom – reminisce a childhood memory of an afternoon picnic. Tom’s brother-in law Jason abruptly enters the kitchen. Jason makes unsettling comments about European President Franco Macalousso, an outspoken advocate for global peace and unity. Tom Camboro believes that Jason needs psychiatric help, to the disagreement of his wife Suzy, who distrusts hospitals and doctors.

Later that night, Tom is called to intervene on a crime. Tim Tucker, college professor on psychic theory and admirer of Macalousso, is being violent towards his Christian wife, denouncing the Bible as a lie. Tom arrives at their apartment, and is startled when Tim displays supernatural powers, such as wielding a knife without touching it. Tim abruptly snaps and commits suicide by jumping out the window.

Back home, Jason falls victim to a similar phenomenon, verbally abusing the Christian Eileen. He also concludes by jumping from the window in a fit of madness, yet survives. While Tom is driving Suzy to visit Jason in hospital, they argue about what happened. Suzy, having witnessed the event firsthand, reports to her husband that Jason was speaking insanely about Macalousso. Tom is troubled by this detail.

At the hospital, Jason tearfully begs Suzy not to allow the doctors to keep him. Eileen believes that Jason needs help from God, advice which angers Tom, who demands his sister to get a grip on reality. An argument ensues, in which Tom denounces the illogical nature of biblical stories. He eventually agrees to compromise by attending church next Sunday, so long as Eileen cease her preaching in future.

Meanwhile, an elite group of Satanists has been working behind-the-scenes to trigger similar phenomena worldwide. Using their collective psychic power, they intend to awaken supernatural capabilities hidden within all people. Back at the hospital, a doctor alerts the family that Jason’s mind has psychic areas active which usually remain closed. In his room, Jason sees a vision of a satanic man. The apparition tells Jason he was in the right frame of mind – anger, doubt and resentment of God – at the wrong time, but soon the whole world will follow suit. Jason screams in horror, drawing his family’s attention. Sensing trouble afoot, Suzy and Eileen determine to get Jason out of the hospital.

As Tom returns from checking the medical report, his way is blocked by two agents – presumably in league with the Satanists – who are searching for Jason. Tom manages to escape the hospital and get to his car. But before he can reach his family and warn them, the vehicle is telepathically caused to collide with an oncoming truck.

The film cuts to several years later, following the events of Apocalypse and Revelation. Tom awakens from a coma in the same hospital. The building is deserted except for another patient, Evan, who lacks one arm. Evan warns Tom not to trust anybody, and beware the VR Goggles. Confused, Tom leaves the room, but witnesses Evan being seized by guards and forced into wearing the goggles.

Evan is transported to an alternate reality, a vast expanse of empty whiteness, possibly Purgatory. He is bewildered to notice that his arm has been restored. Franco Macalousso appears before Evan and presents himself as the Messiah. Macalousso tempts Evan, offering him enhanced supernatural powers, in return for accepting the Mark of the Beast. Evan falls for the deal and accepts.

Having escaped the hospital, along with new clothes and a shaved face, Tom witnesses a similar event when a man named Ronnie is arrested and forced to wear the goggles. In Purgatory, Ronnie refuses to fall for Macalousso, naming him the Antichrist. Ronnie pays for his defiance when Macalousso conjures a snake that kills him. Seeing Ronnie’s body become still, Tom is shocked to notice that the people around him have ‘666’ burnt into their knuckles.

In the outside world, Helen Hannah, Suzy Camboro and Jake Goss are airing old Christian video tapes from a broadcast van, as part of a desperate attempt to denounce Macalousso as the Antichrist. During one broadcast, however, Hannah is captured.

That night, Tom returns to his house, where he is encountered by Calvin, who has accepted the mark. Tom tries to reason with his brother, including by mentioning Eileen, but Calvin shouts that they have no sister. Desperate to understand what is happening in the world, Tom begs for information. Calvin claims that the Devil and the Messiah are the same person – Franco Macalousso. He then attempts to force a pair of the goggles onto his brother, but Tom succeeds in overwhelming Calvin before he can resort to supernatural powers.

Tom flees into the forest, and comes across the same tree where he spent the afternoon picnic in his youth – Eileen had told him and Calvin to seek it should they get lost. As if by an act of God, Tom finds Jason at the tree. Jason informs his brother-in-law about what is happening in the world. The Christian Church has vanished in the rapture, Eileen included, and the world is ruled by O.N.E. (One Nation Earth), a puppet government headed by Macalousso and the Satanists. Macalousso’s master plan is to harness the psychic abilities of all humanity. United and psychically powerful, the human race would be capable of overthrowing God, cementing the devil’s revenge.

Meanwhile, an agent puts the goggles on Helen Hannah. Upon encountering Macalousso, Hannah tells him she has already made her choice. Macalousso tells Hannah that God fears his creation, knowing that it could one day become as powerful as Him. Hannah rejects the Antichrist and tells him his plan is doomed. Macalousso explains to Hannah that he does not care for his followers, and they are destined to damnation in the Lake of Fire. Whereupon he has Hannah placed on guillotine and pulls the lever.

Calvin awakens and puts on his goggles. He confesses to Macalousso that he let a Hater get away. Macalousso is furious and causes Calvin's heart to explode. Tom comes in and takes the helmet off of Calvin, but is too late. Hearing O.N.E. agents enter, Tom hides in a cupboard and hears them mention Rat Lake, a place where Suzy Camboro owns a cottage. After the agents leave, Tom and Jason rush to Rat Lake, where they find Suzy and a group of Haters in the cottage. An agent working for the rebels arrives, and claims he has a tape which will publicly disgrace Macalousso.

The agents, including the man who appeared to Jason several years ago, enter another cottage, having been misled by the rebel agent. Blindly shooting into the room, they are killed after hitting a pack of explosives set as a trap by Tom and Jason.

The tape is broadcast. Helen Hannah tricked the Antichrist by recording their conversation using a concealed lens camera. Around the world, people renounce the Mark. Tom, now reunited with Suzy, finds a derelict church and enters. Speaking to God, he says he will keep his promise to Eileen.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Iron Man is basically a secular conversion story.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

DeusExMachinima posted:

2God2Undead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxz-Y-c2UUc

I see it's hitting theaters on National Atheists' Day :smuggo:

"We're gonna let the ACLU do it"

Yeah except for that whole thing where the ACLU exists to defend civil liberties, instead of doing the opposite like here.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

McSpanky posted:

Hey, at least the kid walked the walk, even if they're almost certainly gonna embellish the poo poo out of her story to make her death seem like some kind of inspirational martyrdom instead of a meaningless slaughter.

The story has never been substantiated by the people who were actually there. :ssh:

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Cemetry Gator posted:

Wow, this is the whitest music ever.

Mmm, let's agree to disagree....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igNVdlXhKcI

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

swampland posted:

How on earth do you stretch that into an entire movie?

John 21:25 posted:

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

swampland posted:

Is that after the resurrection or before?

After. It's literally the last verse in the gospels.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Jack Gladney posted:

he must have had to learn Hebrew to read at least half of the Bible

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I would love it if this was just the whole plot. Kirk Cameron is the only black kid at an all Asian school.

It wouldn't be any more batshit than Saving Christmas.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

The NIV is basically your baseline modern translation. It might not be the best or most accurate, but it's the one everybody uses. Comprehensible plain English, but not exactly poetic; some of the Psalms get pretty mangled, and it just throws its hands up in the air when it comes to translating Proverbs, but for more event-based books, it's very readable. The KJV still gets use because it reads like you expect scripture to read.

A lot of people like The Message, but it's very expressly a paraphrase, and often an awkward one.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Holy poo poo. My only knowledge of Victoria Jackson was from RedLetterMedia's references, and I had just assumed she was a recurring SNL sketch, I didn't realize she's an actual person.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Maher and Hitchens were always douchebags

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Animal-Mother posted:

A lot of ex-Muslims are appreciative of Hitchens' strong criticism of Islam.

Well thank god we finally had a white English journalist come along to give his expert opinion on Islam

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

coyo7e posted:

Also what the gently caress does that even mean? Didn't Satan already fall? Wasn't that the whole point of him ruling hell? If you were to destroy hell wouldn't that mean that all the damned souls and devils would be loosed on earth and maybe heaven too? Don't shoot satan bro, bad idea

Absolutely none of this is in the Bible.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Cemetry Gator posted:

God will send you the money, Satan will give you cancer. Even in that Carman video, depression is a result of Satan.

It removes people from the equation, or it makes us an essential part of the grand universal plan. It also helps avoid the Why Do Bad Things Happen To Good People question, because Satan sent that hurricane.

This isn't exactly accurate to how these people view things; they aren't nearly as explicitly manichean as you make out. They don't believe that Satan has the "authority" to do anything but tempt people, so depression isn't like a curse put on you by Satan, but a symptom of spiritual weakness. They avoid the question of why bad things happen to good people by denying it entirely; if something bad happened to you then you must have deserved it, period.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Schwarzwald posted:

"These people" is a large and broad group. While it's true that most ministers would agree with your assessment there are plenty of Christians who do believe Satan takes an active, malevolent role that goes beyond temptation.

I was actually typing this follow-up post as you replied.

Of course, a serious problem with talking about how American Christians think about Satan today is that it's not the 1980's anymore, and Satan just isn't as big of a deal. There were some truly wackadoo ideas floating around in the 80's at the height of the Satanic Panic, and some of them stuck around because these people admit that they're wrong about as often as they admit that they're sexually active.

Basically, no mainstream American Christian would attribute something as significant as a hurricane to Satan's power; something that massive is exclusively the domain of God. But a heck of a lot think that witchcraft is real. And of course, the kinds of people who watch the movies we discuss here aren't homogeneous. So, for example, people who really buy into Prosperity Gospel don't attribute Satan very much power at all, if any, beyond tempting; whereas people who get into Spiritual Warfare think that Satan is extremely powerful, perhaps almost on par with God; though the second group is currently much further from the mainstream.

The volatility of conservative American Christianity is because of how tied it is post-Reagan to politics. When Roe v. Wade first happened, mainstream Evangelicals praised it. But then abortion became useful for the GOP as a wedge issue, so Jerry Falwell convinced Protestants that they should hate abortion too. If Hillary had been elected, and Obamacare remained the law of the land, we would have seen opposition to contraception follow the same path as abortion; from a weird thing those Catholics care about, to the only acceptable position. We still might see that.

Schwarzwald posted:

As alike as much of American Christian media is, it's important to remember that there are thousands of separate denominations that consider themselves distinct from one another.

I remember going to church conventions as a child where various Christian publishing companies would selling their books, and how important it was not to buy books promoting the "wrong" kind of Christianity.

Oh, absolutely. Not everyone who consumes "Christian Media" believes the same things, and not everyone who believes most of what those people believe consumes "Christian Media".

When I talk about "these people", who I'm referring to are people who I would term "Subculture Christians", which is anybody who believes that by virtue of being a Christian they are part of a subculture, and even though that sounds perverse in a majority Christian society, I think they unarguably are a subculture because believing themselves to be one has made it so. They do have a wide variety of beliefs on various issues, but all share the core belief that their Christian faith puts them at odds with mainstream American society.

It also just occurred to me that the rise of Subculture Christianity began soon after suburbanization and White Flight. Perhaps its origin is that, with white Americans becoming primarily a commuter culture where you barely know your neighbours, their perception of what the mainstream of American society is became purely informed by media, rather than community, and yeah, the media skews a lot to the left of the American average. If you get your mental picture of America purely from Hollywood, then it's not hard to see how devout Christians in the 1970's could begin to see themselves as outsiders.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

DeimosRising posted:

The media (which I'll take to mean the major news networks) does not skew left of the general public. Just the opposite - the overall population is strongly supportive of the social safety net, liberalized drug and marriage laws, and tax increases at higher brackets. Socially conservative christians perceive themselves as a threatened minority because they are, and increasingly so. They're just a fairly large and well energized minority.

I wasn't talking about the news media, because that's an entirely separate discussion. In any case, Subculture Christianity predates what we're generally talking about when we say "news media" (meaning 24-hour news channels with various choices).

Also, keep in mind that a lot of the social shifts you're talking about are incredibly recent, and the birth of Subculture Christianity was going on in the 1970's, where socially conservative Christians' views absolutely did align with the majority of Americans. And that was part of their narrative; they called it the Moral Majority for a reason. And that narrative never really went away, but at this point we're talking about Political Christianity, which isn't 100% synonymous with Subculture Christianity.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Watch the Trump Supreme Court gut copyright law in the name of watching bleeped movies

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Is it this? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2188907/

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

This isn't completely within the scope of the thread, but I just want to highlight the Trapped trilogy of Newgrounds games, which are very overtly Christian while still being relentlessly immoral.

And I don't mean in the sense that the characters in God's Not Dead are behaving immorally if you don't accept their worldview, I mean that the games are about terrible people being nasty to each other, with rampant murder and revenge. The trilogy ends with the heroine locking the villain in a safe and throwing it in the ocean, not out of self-defense, but purely as an act of cold-blooded murder. Nonetheless, in the first game, a character mentions that he isn't a christian and this is foreshadowing that he's the eventual villain.

It's just so demented, like, I can only imagine it's the kind of stuff you'd make if you were raised in a strongly Subculture Christian environment, but still really liked mainstream media and wanted to make some of your own.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Hahaha these games are loving bonkers and the Retsupurae of them is beautiful. (I'm on mobile, not sure if that's what you linked.)

It is.

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DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Samuel Clemens posted:

He's saying that the Newgrounds games DStecks linked aren't very representative of American Christianity because your average middle-class church goer has a strong aversion to violent media, even if they are otherwise fine with secular fiction.

And I can't disagree because that's the point I was trying to make, that Trapped for some reason chooses to belong to a culture whose values it doesn't really buy into.

I'm trying to put into words just why it's so weird. It's like, subculture Christian media exists because of certain values that subculture Christians want their media to have or not have, and Trapped has the additional signifiers that identify it as belonging to subculture Christianity, but it doesn't seem aware of the unstated values that are the actual reason why that media exists.

To give a concrete example of what I'm trying to get at, in the Left Behind books, all of the main characters are adult converts to Christianity, because everyone who isn't has been raptured. Nonetheless, the two main characters have still lived nearly spotless lives, and not because the point is that they were good people who just weren't Christian, but because the idea of the protagonists having been morally compromised wouldn't be palatable to Left Behind's primary audience. They can't handle the notion of fiction not being morally instructive in the most simplistic ways (much like they can't handle the idea of the Bible not being morally instructive in the most simplistic ways), which is why they create media where they don't have to think about whether the characters' actions are good, they can simply Know that the hero is good and therefore everything he does is good. Trapped throws this, possibly the single most defining element of subculture Christian media, right out the window.

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