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Dante Logos posted:Like The Lock-In Oh god a "pay 5bux to download this poo poo" button, they've found my Achilles' Heel It's like Steam, but with a hilariously bad movie instead of a game I should really get around to playing at some point,
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# ¿ Jun 12, 2014 04:33 |
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# ¿ May 14, 2024 02:36 |
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Just finished The Lock-In, definitely going to be doing a video review of it soon. Really really bad. Even at 88 minutes it drags like a motherfucker, probably since there's only four "real" scares in the movie, the rest is just people dicking around a church being afraid (except for the 30-minute setup, which almost had me thinking the movie was a spoof, it was that cornball). Some highlights: - The trailer spoils basically everything; and even if you haven't seen the trailer, literally the fifth line of the movie is "I now believe there is a correlation between pornography and demon activity". - One of the first scenes is basically a recreation of the infamous Transformers "...were you masturbating?" scene, except imagine that Shia Labeouf's parents are both Ned Flanders and the scene is played deadly straight. - The plot is set in motion by dumpster diving. - The demon - The movie ends with a character commanding the demon to leave in the name of Jesus, thereby defeating the entire message of the film by implying that you can look at all the porn you want, so long as you say a Hail Mary while you're wiping up your cum. - It's also kinda sorta got an it was all just a dream ending, but with an implied Contact-style twist of the film being eventually found. I mean, there are legitimate moral issues involved with pornography, and the only one that the movie (passingly) touches on is the addiction element. But the movie isn't about porn addiction, no named character in the film is shown to regularly use pornography! The movie's whole message is "Porn will make demons gently caress your poo poo up", but anybody who this message could be relevant to knows that it's bullshit!
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# ¿ Jun 12, 2014 19:18 |
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While your heart's in the right place, I think you're severely overthinking it (I'd also recommend watching the movie before formulating an opinion on its worldview). The film doesn't engage with the actual moral questions of porn at all, beyond throwing out some canned lines ("that's somebody's daughter"). There isn't any kind of discussion on the morality of it, because this video is coming from a worldview that doesn't tolerate discussion. It comes roaring out of the starting gate with the assumption that PORN IS THE DEVIL, and everything else exists to rationalize something they've already concluded. That's the most important thing to keep in mind: these people did not arrive at the belief that porn is bad after weighing the moral issues surrounding it, they hate porn because it's a sex thing. And they know that in the age of the internet, they can do absolutely nothing about it. They've got endless methods to regulate dating, making sure that people don't so much as kiss before their wedding day, but what somebody does when they're alone at home is very hard to regulate, unless you're prepared to revoke any kind of privacy, and the vast majority of people just don't care enough to do that. I'd like to give the filmmakers the benefit of the doubt in that they don't engage with the morality of porn production because the film isn't aimed at porn producers, it's aimed at porn consumers. I think it's legitimate to only deal with one of those things, in theory. But again, it's not even accurate to say that the film "deals with" anything, anymore than a DARE class "deals with" drug use. Actually, I'd say that's a pretty solid analogy; except where DARE would use exaggerated information with a kernel of truth, and present worst-case scenarios as inevitabilities, The Lock-In just threatens the audience with supernatural retribution.
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# ¿ Jun 12, 2014 21:52 |
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K. Waste posted:It doesn't really matter whether the filmmakers came to their beliefs "after weighing the moral issues," or if they simply don't like 'sex things' because they're Christian. Personally, I think that's somewhat reductive and impertinent. If you read a "lol christians" tone into my post, I did not intend that. I am a (fairly devout) Christian, and when I say that the movie's arguments are post-hoc rationalizations, I'm speaking from experience. And it does matter, insofar as it shapes the direction the movie takes. Namely, if you wanted to make a movie that was about the reasons why porn is morally questionable, you wouldn't do it as a Paranormal Activity knock-off. That makes no sense whatsoever. Unless all you care about, morally, is the very act of looking at or possessing pornography. Maybe I should have been clearer, but this movie has a 100% spiritual warfare worldview. There is nothing metaphoric about the demons in the film. The Lock-In is about how looking at porn literally opens you up to demon possession. Spiritual Warfare does not believe in morality the way that you and I do. In the Spiritual Warfare worldview, things aren't bad because of ethical reasons, they're bad because demons. I'm not joking or exaggerating. There is a list of Jesus Things and a list of Satan Things, and there's no discussing it because that's simply the way things are.
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# ¿ Jun 13, 2014 00:51 |
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Another thing just occurred to me about this lovely movie: the framing device of the found footage establishes that the church decides to keep the film incredibly secret, despite it being irrefutable physical proof of Christianity, and not just Christianity, but their incredibly specific interpretation of Christianity. They should be running to CNN with this footage screaming "Look at this! We were right all along!" I can maybe imagine the Vatican keeping something like this a secret for philosophical reasons, but not some American Baptist holy roller church. No way.
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# ¿ Jun 19, 2014 03:36 |
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sleepingbuddha posted:This movie seems especially hilarious to me because my earliest sexual adventures occurred at church lock ins. Apparently we were poorly supervised. Youth group was always a funny collection of the true believer teens and the bad kids whose parents thought church youth group would help them. This is amusing to me, because one of the early scenes in the film is the youth pastor laying down ground rules for the lock-in, and literally all of them are NO SEX, NO PORN; and everybody I've shown the movie to has had the same reaction of "is this really a problem? And if so, why are they even having a lock-in at all?"
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# ¿ Jul 21, 2014 16:00 |
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All the kids in my church youth group were either related or had known each other from a young enough age for the Westermarck effect to kick in, so all of this is totally alien to me.
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# ¿ Jul 21, 2014 18:03 |
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This Valentines Day, two assuredly lovely movies will do battle. 50 Shades VS. Old Fashioned: whoever wins, we lose.Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:“A story that, without apology, explores the possibility of a higher standard in relationships; yet, is also fully aware of just how fragile we all are and doesn’t seek to heap guilt upon those of us that have made mistakes.” Okay first, that's bullshit. Second of all, I'm willing to bet $100 American that despite being a "former frat boy" and a "free-spirited woman", both the leads will still be virginal 30-somethings.
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# ¿ Aug 2, 2014 01:44 |
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The pinnacle of Christian music, and perhaps Christian media in general: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnzcZj_8DM0
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# ¿ Aug 5, 2014 05:36 |
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Apparently Nic Cage just phones it in, so the movie isn't even worth it for that.
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# ¿ Oct 3, 2014 15:55 |
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Detective No. 27 posted:Nicholas Cage not playing the Antichrist is a real missed opportunity. Apparently the Antichrist isn't even in it. It's just an adaptation of like the first third of the book.
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# ¿ Oct 4, 2014 05:15 |
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If they're only doing a third of a book at each shot, Fred Clark will be done the series before they are.
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# ¿ Oct 4, 2014 05:51 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A43lybhrHtY
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# ¿ Feb 6, 2015 07:53 |
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lol at the people itt unironically saying that "a movie that advances a conservative agenda cannot be any good", when that exact sentiment reversed politically is what leads to the movies in this thread.
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2015 17:37 |
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Jack Gladney posted:How so? Do you mean that Old Fashioned and Alongside Night are going to radicalize someone into making communist propaganda films structured around a bricklayer being pressured into reading Marx and building bombs in the basement? I literally cannot parse what you're saying, so let me drop out of GBS mode to explain that what I meant is that these movies exist to appeal to people who can't tolerate movies with what they view as liberal agendas. I know some of them, and they literally consider the film's "moral correctness" as the primary, or even only, measure of its quality; so saying that a right-wing movie can never be good is the precise thing these people are saying, just swap out the word left for right. Xibanya posted:But think about it: a conservative agenda involves deferring to already established power structures. So a conservative story involves obeying power and/or opposing those with less power. That just isn't a very fun narrative. Haven't you ever heard of an underdog? It's much more interesting to see a story about defending the powerless AGAINST the powerful. Are you going to genuinely argue that the only good narrative is an underdog story? Because that's a laughably simplistic and shallow view of, well, storytelling as a whole. I ask you to think about it: are all detective stories inherently bad, because a criminal, inherently, is an underdog against the police. Your position also disregards that a fictional story can frame a political conservative as an underdog: would a movie about a senator trying to pass anti-gay legislation, fighting a liberal controlled government, be a "much more interesting" story purely by virtue of his being an underdog? The fact of the matter is that there are dozens, hundreds of films that we would consider great that still have a politically conservative perspective, the currently hippest example to name being Ghostbusters. You can even make an argument that the action genre is inherently conservative, due to inherently being about the righteous application of violence. At the end of the day, you're rating a film's quality by its political stance, and that is exactly what the people who pay money to see God's Not Dead do, they've simply arrived at the opposite conclusion to you.
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2015 18:03 |
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muscles like this? posted:That spin off was weird because they got rid of Fred and Velma but kept Daphne. 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo was weird because it's clearly meant to be lovely, like everybody involved was just pissed to be working on Scooby Doo and 13 Ghosts is their practical joke at the expense of Hannah Barbara.
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# ¿ May 25, 2015 06:30 |
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Neo Rasa posted:My friend, have you ever seen the film Tribulation? Spoilered because this sounds like a loving pro watch: wikipedia posted:
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# ¿ Aug 1, 2015 18:07 |
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Iron Man is basically a secular conversion story.
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2015 13:22 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:2God2Undead "We're gonna let the ACLU do it" Yeah except for that whole thing where the ACLU exists to defend civil liberties, instead of doing the opposite like here.
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# ¿ Nov 6, 2015 15:30 |
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McSpanky posted:Hey, at least the kid walked the walk, even if they're almost certainly gonna embellish the poo poo out of her story to make her death seem like some kind of inspirational martyrdom instead of a meaningless slaughter. The story has never been substantiated by the people who were actually there.
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# ¿ Apr 2, 2016 06:16 |
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Cemetry Gator posted:Wow, this is the whitest music ever. Mmm, let's agree to disagree.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igNVdlXhKcI
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2016 05:18 |
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swampland posted:How on earth do you stretch that into an entire movie? John 21:25 posted:Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
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# ¿ Jun 16, 2016 02:13 |
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swampland posted:Is that after the resurrection or before? After. It's literally the last verse in the gospels.
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# ¿ Jun 16, 2016 15:48 |
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Jack Gladney posted:he must have had to learn Hebrew to read at least half of the Bible hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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# ¿ Sep 11, 2016 18:13 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I would love it if this was just the whole plot. Kirk Cameron is the only black kid at an all Asian school. It wouldn't be any more batshit than Saving Christmas.
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# ¿ Sep 24, 2016 16:52 |
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The NIV is basically your baseline modern translation. It might not be the best or most accurate, but it's the one everybody uses. Comprehensible plain English, but not exactly poetic; some of the Psalms get pretty mangled, and it just throws its hands up in the air when it comes to translating Proverbs, but for more event-based books, it's very readable. The KJV still gets use because it reads like you expect scripture to read. A lot of people like The Message, but it's very expressly a paraphrase, and often an awkward one.
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# ¿ Sep 25, 2016 05:33 |
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Holy poo poo. My only knowledge of Victoria Jackson was from RedLetterMedia's references, and I had just assumed she was a recurring SNL sketch, I didn't realize she's an actual person.
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# ¿ Nov 24, 2016 08:07 |
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Maher and Hitchens were always douchebags
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# ¿ Nov 25, 2016 06:57 |
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Animal-Mother posted:A lot of ex-Muslims are appreciative of Hitchens' strong criticism of Islam. Well thank god we finally had a white English journalist come along to give his expert opinion on Islam
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# ¿ Nov 27, 2016 18:00 |
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coyo7e posted:Also what the gently caress does that even mean? Didn't Satan already fall? Wasn't that the whole point of him ruling hell? If you were to destroy hell wouldn't that mean that all the damned souls and devils would be loosed on earth and maybe heaven too? Don't shoot satan bro, bad idea Absolutely none of this is in the Bible.
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# ¿ Dec 16, 2016 02:56 |
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Cemetry Gator posted:God will send you the money, Satan will give you cancer. Even in that Carman video, depression is a result of Satan. This isn't exactly accurate to how these people view things; they aren't nearly as explicitly manichean as you make out. They don't believe that Satan has the "authority" to do anything but tempt people, so depression isn't like a curse put on you by Satan, but a symptom of spiritual weakness. They avoid the question of why bad things happen to good people by denying it entirely; if something bad happened to you then you must have deserved it, period.
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# ¿ Dec 17, 2016 07:29 |
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Schwarzwald posted:"These people" is a large and broad group. While it's true that most ministers would agree with your assessment there are plenty of Christians who do believe Satan takes an active, malevolent role that goes beyond temptation. I was actually typing this follow-up post as you replied. Of course, a serious problem with talking about how American Christians think about Satan today is that it's not the 1980's anymore, and Satan just isn't as big of a deal. There were some truly wackadoo ideas floating around in the 80's at the height of the Satanic Panic, and some of them stuck around because these people admit that they're wrong about as often as they admit that they're sexually active. Basically, no mainstream American Christian would attribute something as significant as a hurricane to Satan's power; something that massive is exclusively the domain of God. But a heck of a lot think that witchcraft is real. And of course, the kinds of people who watch the movies we discuss here aren't homogeneous. So, for example, people who really buy into Prosperity Gospel don't attribute Satan very much power at all, if any, beyond tempting; whereas people who get into Spiritual Warfare think that Satan is extremely powerful, perhaps almost on par with God; though the second group is currently much further from the mainstream. The volatility of conservative American Christianity is because of how tied it is post-Reagan to politics. When Roe v. Wade first happened, mainstream Evangelicals praised it. But then abortion became useful for the GOP as a wedge issue, so Jerry Falwell convinced Protestants that they should hate abortion too. If Hillary had been elected, and Obamacare remained the law of the land, we would have seen opposition to contraception follow the same path as abortion; from a weird thing those Catholics care about, to the only acceptable position. We still might see that. Schwarzwald posted:As alike as much of American Christian media is, it's important to remember that there are thousands of separate denominations that consider themselves distinct from one another. Oh, absolutely. Not everyone who consumes "Christian Media" believes the same things, and not everyone who believes most of what those people believe consumes "Christian Media". When I talk about "these people", who I'm referring to are people who I would term "Subculture Christians", which is anybody who believes that by virtue of being a Christian they are part of a subculture, and even though that sounds perverse in a majority Christian society, I think they unarguably are a subculture because believing themselves to be one has made it so. They do have a wide variety of beliefs on various issues, but all share the core belief that their Christian faith puts them at odds with mainstream American society. It also just occurred to me that the rise of Subculture Christianity began soon after suburbanization and White Flight. Perhaps its origin is that, with white Americans becoming primarily a commuter culture where you barely know your neighbours, their perception of what the mainstream of American society is became purely informed by media, rather than community, and yeah, the media skews a lot to the left of the American average. If you get your mental picture of America purely from Hollywood, then it's not hard to see how devout Christians in the 1970's could begin to see themselves as outsiders.
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# ¿ Dec 17, 2016 08:03 |
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DeimosRising posted:The media (which I'll take to mean the major news networks) does not skew left of the general public. Just the opposite - the overall population is strongly supportive of the social safety net, liberalized drug and marriage laws, and tax increases at higher brackets. Socially conservative christians perceive themselves as a threatened minority because they are, and increasingly so. They're just a fairly large and well energized minority. I wasn't talking about the news media, because that's an entirely separate discussion. In any case, Subculture Christianity predates what we're generally talking about when we say "news media" (meaning 24-hour news channels with various choices). Also, keep in mind that a lot of the social shifts you're talking about are incredibly recent, and the birth of Subculture Christianity was going on in the 1970's, where socially conservative Christians' views absolutely did align with the majority of Americans. And that was part of their narrative; they called it the Moral Majority for a reason. And that narrative never really went away, but at this point we're talking about Political Christianity, which isn't 100% synonymous with Subculture Christianity.
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# ¿ Dec 17, 2016 19:53 |
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Watch the Trump Supreme Court gut copyright law in the name of watching bleeped movies
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# ¿ Dec 18, 2016 19:53 |
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Is it this? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2188907/
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# ¿ Jan 14, 2017 01:21 |
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This isn't completely within the scope of the thread, but I just want to highlight the Trapped trilogy of Newgrounds games, which are very overtly Christian while still being relentlessly immoral. And I don't mean in the sense that the characters in God's Not Dead are behaving immorally if you don't accept their worldview, I mean that the games are about terrible people being nasty to each other, with rampant murder and revenge. The trilogy ends with the heroine locking the villain in a safe and throwing it in the ocean, not out of self-defense, but purely as an act of cold-blooded murder. Nonetheless, in the first game, a character mentions that he isn't a christian and this is foreshadowing that he's the eventual villain. It's just so demented, like, I can only imagine it's the kind of stuff you'd make if you were raised in a strongly Subculture Christian environment, but still really liked mainstream media and wanted to make some of your own.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2017 15:40 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Hahaha these games are loving bonkers and the Retsupurae of them is beautiful. (I'm on mobile, not sure if that's what you linked.) It is.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2017 20:46 |
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# ¿ May 14, 2024 02:36 |
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Samuel Clemens posted:He's saying that the Newgrounds games DStecks linked aren't very representative of American Christianity because your average middle-class church goer has a strong aversion to violent media, even if they are otherwise fine with secular fiction. And I can't disagree because that's the point I was trying to make, that Trapped for some reason chooses to belong to a culture whose values it doesn't really buy into. I'm trying to put into words just why it's so weird. It's like, subculture Christian media exists because of certain values that subculture Christians want their media to have or not have, and Trapped has the additional signifiers that identify it as belonging to subculture Christianity, but it doesn't seem aware of the unstated values that are the actual reason why that media exists. To give a concrete example of what I'm trying to get at, in the Left Behind books, all of the main characters are adult converts to Christianity, because everyone who isn't has been raptured. Nonetheless, the two main characters have still lived nearly spotless lives, and not because the point is that they were good people who just weren't Christian, but because the idea of the protagonists having been morally compromised wouldn't be palatable to Left Behind's primary audience. They can't handle the notion of fiction not being morally instructive in the most simplistic ways (much like they can't handle the idea of the Bible not being morally instructive in the most simplistic ways), which is why they create media where they don't have to think about whether the characters' actions are good, they can simply Know that the hero is good and therefore everything he does is good. Trapped throws this, possibly the single most defining element of subculture Christian media, right out the window.
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2017 06:41 |