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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


There is a coup going on in Lesotho

http://www.voanews.com/content/lesotho/2433099.html

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DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

drat, wrong small mountainous South African exclave kingdom. I wouldn't have minded seeing Swaziland's king's head roll down the block, anyway.

Randandal
Feb 26, 2009

How did Lesotho end up being an independent enclave within South Africa? It must be a pretty unlikely story.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Randandal posted:

How did Lesotho end up being an independent enclave within South Africa? It must be a pretty unlikely story.

Apparently during the days when South Africa was still a straight up colony of Britain, the local government was unable to keep control of the territory of what is now Lesotho. So the British established that territory as a separate Crown Colony, independent of any South African control, and it stayed that way until the Brits granted the colony its own separate independence in the 60s.

Femur
Jan 10, 2004
I REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP

My Imaginary GF posted:

the fact that for the first time more elephants are dying than being.

What would happen if elephants went extinct?

I watched a documentary that said there used to be a couple million a few decades ago, but are now only 400k. Has the consequences happened yet?

It also said most tall trees would disappear, are elephants that big of an effect?

Femur fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Aug 31, 2014

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

In Somalia news, America may have got Godane.

This is a big drat deal, Godane had crushed dissent against his increasingly brutal leadership style and had solidified his position as the paramount leader of al-Shabaab. Without Godane the internal tensions between the more national minded faction and the intetnationally inclined faction could re-erupt, if it's true al-Shabaab has just been dealt a major blow.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Femur posted:

What would happen if elephants went extinct?

I watched a documentary that said there used to be a couple million a few decades ago, but are now only 400k. Has the consequences happened yet?

It also said most tall trees would disappear, are elephants that big of an effect?

You lose an ecosystem engineer species is what would happen.

Elephants are big herbivores that eat lots of stuff, poop a lot, and aren't afraid to knock things over if they want to (though they can be surprisingly careful otherwise).

All species that directly depend on elephants would die out or take a bad hit. That includes a bunch of parasites, dung beetles etc., big cats wouldn't give a poo poo since they don't usually eat elephants anyway. The trees dying out thing you mentioned will happen to tree species the seeds of which will only germinate after having been shat out by an elephant (plants can actually fine-tune their frugivores' digestive systems for their benefits - that's probably a reason why some kinds of fruit tend to speed up digestion). Tree species dying out means a bunch of specialised invertebrates will also die out.

All trees that don't depend on elephants will be at a big advantage since elephants won't knock them over anymore. This means open spaces which are borderline suitable for trees but are disturbed by elephants often enough to keep tree populations sparse are likely to become forests. We wouldn't actually see much forest regrowth in Africa while there's lots of people around because people chop down lots of trees, but obviously the species composition would still shift.

e: have the consequences happened yet? I don't know how the short term stuff is playing out precisely (though dung beetle populations probably correspond to the amount of available poop pretty well etc.), but the forest stuff will likely take at least a century or two to reach a new steady state even discounting climate change because we're talking about loving trees.

e2: another point to consider: elephant numbers have decreased, but elephant habitats have also gotten way smaller. Africa isn't untouched wilderness anymore, so any sort of cultivated land is going to look quite different from the potential natural vegetation. In some national parks (e.g. Kruger), elephants per area is pretty high, and at high elephant population density we see stronger effects of elephants on the savannah. Some parks even have elephant culls once in a while to preserve sensitive habitats.

suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Sep 2, 2014

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice
In other news, a restaurant in Nigeria has been shut down for health violations serving severed human heads:stonk:

quote:

A pastor, who was shocked to know that what he had eaten was human meat, complained to the police.

"I went to the hotel early this year, after eating, I was told that a lump of meat was being sold at N700 (Ł2.5), I was surprised. So I did not know it was human meat that I ate at such expensive price," the unidentified pastor said.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Jonad posted:

In other news, a restaurant in Nigeria has been shut down for health violations serving severed human heads:stonk:

How to serve man...

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Jonad posted:

In other news, a restaurant in Nigeria has been shut down for health violations serving severed human heads:stonk:

Puts the whole horsemeat scandal in perspective, huh?

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
What the gently caress man?

Randandal
Feb 26, 2009

That's not even expensive for what youre getting but it seems funny that the pastor only raised a fuss due to the price.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Randandal posted:

That's not even expensive for what youre getting but it seems funny that the pastor only raised a fuss due to the price.

N700 for human flesh is quite a bit overpriced

Randandal
Feb 26, 2009

My Imaginary GF posted:

N700 for human flesh is quite a bit overpriced

Maybe its overpriced in Nigeria but a 2-for-:10bux: deal is what it costs to eat at Chipotle here.

I wonder why the gently caress the restaurant was doing this, surely chicken is cheaper even in Africa.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Randandal posted:

Maybe its overpriced in Nigeria but a 2-for-:10bux: deal is what it costs to eat at Chipotle here.

I wonder why the gently caress the restaurant was doing this, surely chicken is cheaper even in Africa.

Human doesn't taste like chicken, we taste like monkey and pig. If you pay for monkey meat, you expect the correct monkey meat.

Further, in some regions of the world, human is used as a cheaper substitute for pork.

Randandal
Feb 26, 2009

My Imaginary GF posted:

human is used as a cheaper substitute for pork.

:gonk:

I guess it's easier to kidnap a shantytown child than it is to catch a monkey in the jungle but I still just can't even process the economics of this at all

Randandal fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Sep 12, 2014

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
What. The. gently caress.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Ah look a flurry of posts in the sub-Saharan Africa thread, maybe it's something other than Ebola or lurid ooga-booga tales oh.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Randandal posted:

:gonk:

I guess it's easier to kidnap a shantytown child than it is to catch a monkey in the jungle but I still just can't even process the economics of this at all

You're thinking about it too much. Someone comes to offer you "pork" and "ribs" at below-market prices. Do you ask them who's pork it is, and who's ribs they belonged to? Do you really want to hear the honest answer to that question, or do you want Nigerian pork at below-market prices while reporting market prices to your supervising agency and pocketing the difference?

E: Seriouspost its cheaper to buy fresh meat from the coroner than it is to kidnap a child for meat. Kidnapping the child requires additional bribes if caught by whom, and sometimes results in Boko Haram kidnapping the child from you and executing you. Much cheaper to buy meat from the coroner.

E2: Assuming there is a coroner to serve as a de facto meat inspector. Sometimes, there isn't, and this kind group will come along and offer to bury the body out of "health obligation" and "religious duty." Sometimes, they'll come dressed as doctors in the most ostentatious PPE or dressings one can buy at the market. Other times, they could come claiming to be a traditional official from tribe over yonder, and this person was really from their tribe and should be buried in their tribal burial plot. Point is, because cannibalism is a real occurance in Africa, it has actual impact on implementation of public health policy.

My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Sep 12, 2014

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum

Randandal posted:

:gonk:

I guess it's easier to kidnap a shantytown child than it is to catch a monkey in the jungle but I still just can't even process the economics of this at all

There's over 7 Billion humans on earth now, the time when all human life was rare or precious ended in roughly 1804.

By contrast, monkeys are getting pretty loving rare.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Hey morons, I'm not really buying in to this cannibal business thanks. I suppose it was inevitable that goons would eventually post "it's cheaper to buy fresh meat from the coroner than it is to kidnap a child for meat" but nonetheless, gently caress you; gently caress you.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
SedanChair, it might be productive to take a look at Imaginary GF's other posts to get an idea of his credentials on the subject.

Do you generally have a policy of defaulting to serial "gently caress you"s when something is new, or disturbs your senses? You must be very difficult to plan a surprise birthday for.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Discendo Vox posted:

SedanChair, it might be productive to take a look at Imaginary GF's other posts to get an idea of his credentials on the subject.

I don't care (and it seems there's nothing for which My Imaginary GF doesn't have credentials).

quote:

Do you generally have a policy of defaulting to serial "gently caress you"s when something is new, or disturbs your senses? You must be very difficult to plan a surprise birthday for.

Yes and yes.

I'm aware that cannibalism exists in Africa, but come on. This is a news story that has traction because it gives racists pleasure and smug amusement.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

SedanChair posted:

I don't care (and it seems there's nothing for which My Imaginary GF doesn't have credentials).


Yes and yes.

I'm aware that cannibalism exists in Africa, but come on. This is a news story that has traction because it gives racists pleasure and smug amusement.

Look, I'm not saying its common. I'm not saying that its done widespread and organized. I am saying, 'this is what I was told to watch out for when sourcing once-a-week meat for a rural school in Uganda' and that individuals in sub-Saharan Africa, in various regions, do have to deal with the side-effects of weak states with little regulatory environment.

Meat is a luxury good, and throughout the world, less scrupulous or more desperate individuals are known to counterfeit luxury goods.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

SedanChair posted:

I'm aware that cannibalism exists in Africa, but come on. This is a news story that has traction because it gives racists pleasure and smug amusement.

I'm literally half-West African (Wolof). Africa is weird sometimes, dude. Nothing racist about that.

Randandal
Feb 26, 2009

My Imaginary Girlfriend wasn't even the one who posted the story about cannibalism, but in other Sub Saharan Africa news, how was your day in Uganda?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/13/us-embassy-uganda-warns-citizens-shelter-terror

quote:

Reuters
Saturday 13 September 2014 08.32 EDT

The US embassy in Uganda on Saturday told its citizens to seek shelter as Ugandan authorities carry out an operation against a “suspected terrorist cell” in the capital, Kampala.

— U.S. Mission Uganda (@usmissionuganda)
September 13, 2014

Ugandan authorities are conducting operations against a suspected terrorist cell in Kampala.
“All US citizens are advised to stay at home or proceed to a safe location,” the embassy said in a message posted on Twitter and on its website. “Ugandan authorities are conducting operations against a suspected terrorist cell in Kampala.”

As one of the countries that contributes forces to an African Union peacekeeping mission battling the Islamist militant group al-Shabaab in Somalia, Uganda has suffered militant attacks in recent years, and al-Shabaab has threatened more.

In 2010, al-Shabaab, which is aligned with al-Qaida, bombed sports bars in Uganda where people were watching the soccer World Cup on television.

The US embassy said Uganda faces a “continued threat” and has issued other alerts during the year about possible attacks.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Randandal posted:

My Imaginary Girlfriend wasn't even the one who posted the story about cannibalism, but in other Sub Saharan Africa news, how was your day in Uganda?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/13/us-embassy-uganda-warns-citizens-shelter-terror

Yeah, there's worry of another Entebbe or Westgate as Al-Shabab leadership try to show their bona fides to claim top slot. Power abhors a vacuum, and sometimes you order South Sudanese suicide attacks against American & Commonwealth targets to resolve that vacuum.

dorkasaurus_rex
Jun 10, 2005

gawrsh do you think any women will be there

There was a big protest in Morocco against racism recently:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/dozens-demonstrate-morocco-racism-25436015

quote:

Dozens of activists demonstrated Thursday in Morocco's capital in a rare protest against racism following the murder earlier of a Senegalese migrant.

The protest comes a year after Morocco announced a new immigration policy aimed at making it easier for migrants to legalize their status.

Thousands of sub-Saharan Africans come every year to Morocco hoping to cross into Europe to find a new life, and tensions often flare between them and residents.

Senegalese migrant Charles Ndour was visiting Tangiers from Casablanca with friends when he was attacked by a mob and fatally stabbed Aug. 30.

Hundreds of migrants marched the next day to protest his death and the numerous attacks they say are subjected to by residents. Police dispersed the demonstration, arrested 26 and deported most of them.

"The migrants in Morocco are in real danger," said Lucile Daumas of Atac Maroc, one of the groups organizing the demonstration, as she stood before parliament in downtown Rabat. "He (Ndour) was killed just because he had dark skin."

She added that he was the sixth African migrant killed in the last year and said that while the new migration policy had noble ideas, there had been little change on the ground.

Ndour's death has caused a certain degree of embarrassment to Morocco, which is presenting itself as a major economic partner to sub-Saharan Africa, with recent royal trips to West Africa.

On Sept. 4, government spokesman Mustapha Khalfi emphasized the importance of arresting those involved in the attack.

On Wednesday, the governor of Casablanca also held meetings with organizations catering to migrants as well as representatives of African consulates to seek ways to better integrate migrants into daily life.

There are an estimated 40,000 sub-Saharan Africans living in Morocco, most seeking to cross to Spain. Morocco has pledged its northern neighbor to stem the flow.

This is notable and heartwarming because Moroccans are quite racist towards their fellow Africans:

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/are-moroccan-gangsters-being-paid-to-beat-up-african-migrants-803

quote:

“gently caress Africa,” snarls the young Moroccan kid as he pushes past the café table, spitting on the ground and sticking his middle finger up at my Senegalese translator, Babs. My first taster of racism in Tangier happens within five minutes of us sitting down, but 34-year-old Babs appears utterly unphased.

I arrived in Tangier during a tense period in Moroccan politics. Since January of 2014, the government has been trialling a process to grant illegal immigrants resident status in Morocco. However, although this seems to be a positive step, tensions are brewing in Tangier due to many of the city’s illegal immigrants refusing to take part in the scheme and settle in a country that sees them routinely abused by Moroccans and the Moroccan authorities.

“This type of thing happens every day,” shrugs Babs. I ask if he’s ever seen abuse move from verbal to violent, and he nods, rolling up his sleeve to reveal a deep scar across his wrist, caused by an attempted stabbing one night in the medina quarter. A Moroccan teenager tried to stab him in the stomach as he walked home to his hotel; Babs deflected with his hand before managing to run and hide in the warren of back alleys and boardwalks that make up the old town.

Idris, 25 was stabbed repeatedly in the arms and legs by three Moroccan gang members

“They [the Moroccans] do everything [to us] like it’s no problem. And sometimes when you go to police to tell them things, you know what they tell you? They tell you ‘So? Go and buy a knife.’ They don’t care.”

He also recounts the three times he’s been arrested on Tangier beach by Moroccan police as he and other migrants tried to smuggle themselves across to mainland Spain by inflatable boat, and how on each occasion police have stolen his money and phone after detaining him. The more I listen, the more evident it becomes that the migrants gathered in Tangier – most of whom are trying to reach Europe illegally – are trapped in a brutal limbo of violence and victimisation. And all of this despite the government’s reforms.

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As a port city on the African frontier, Tangier’s always been a cultural crossroads of African, Middle Eastern and European sensibilities, but recently the spatial politics of the city have become heavily geared towards obscuring black African migrants from visibility, and feeding a violent engine of isolation and abuse against them. The most obvious example of this was the building of the city’s new port at Tanger-Med in 2007, which sits 40 km east of Tangier.

Before Tanger-Med, the old town’s port area and car parks were littered with Moroccans and sub-Saharan migrants trying to smuggle themselves across to Europe by hooking themselves under trucks. But now, with all trucks diverted to Tanger-Med – as well as the increased security around the old town’s ferry port – illegal immigrants aren't such a common sight.

“Tangier has a huge tourist economy, and one of the reasons for building the cargo port at Tanger-Med was to separate the tourist ferries and the cargo to help disassociate the city’s image with illegal immigrants. The city doesn’t want the tourists coming off the ferry to see all that,” said a US post-grad researcher and port specialist I interviewed, who asked to remain anonymous.

Senegalese immigrants squat the vacant buildings in Boukhaelf

Today, Tangier’s migrant population exist on the ragged edges of society, living mostly in the Boukhalef neighbourhood, 15 km out from the city centre, where they squat the area’s empty high rises. Boukhalef is now the city’s primary flashpoint for violence and racist attacks, so Babs and I flagged a taxi and headed up there.

Despite King Mohammed VI’s 2013 decree to reform government policy and address widespread humans rights violations and the poor treatment of black African migrants in Morocco, there were several standout cases of police violence around December of 2013 that pushed Boukhalef to boiling point. These were the deaths of Cameroonian Cedric and 19-year-old Senegalese immigrant Moussa Seck, a friend of Babs. On both occasions the police cited the deaths as accidental, a result of routine operations to combat drug trafficking in Boukhalef, prompting widespread fear and anger among the migrant community living there.

In recent months, police activity in Boukhalef has dropped dramatically, according to its residents. But those from sub-Saharan Africa living there have seen a daily increase in violence perpetrated by Moroccan gangs. This has led to heavy speculation that they are being paid by the police as a clandestine approach to flushing out Boukhalef’s migrants without attracting criticism from the EU.

We arrived there just after midday, the neighbourhood a mass of half-built tower blocks, wide, dusty roads and scrappy little cafes.

“Before, police they come, they enter, they shoot. We wake up 4AM at night and we go sleep [in the] bush – we leave our houses because we know at 7PM they come here and they gently caress up every black boy [in Boukhalef].”

This has been your Morocco update.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

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Oh yeah, Vice is getting super serious.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

SedanChair posted:

Oh yeah, Vice is getting super serious.

My local newspaper does beer roundups every week. It's almost as though a media outlet can't make money covering nothing but heavy brutality 24/7.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
I actually read the pub article out of curiosity. It was equally terrible, missing the point, and barely scraping an important topic (the sanitizing of cities via relentless developer churn). Not their finest hour.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

I broke down once in south-central Nigeria near sundown, and everyone else in the vehicle flips the gently caress out and starts wailing or praying for deliverance, warding off against attacks from cannibals out in the forests on either side of the road. Being the only non-local, this didn't phase me much because I was with city folk and they're probably just as guilty as otherizing rural people just as I would if I broke down in the middle of nowhere Dixie. Maybe I should have taken them more seriously.

Senor P.
Mar 27, 2006
I MUST TELL YOU HOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STUFF I DONT AND BE A COMPLETE CUNT ABOUT IT
If anyone has any questions on Angola, feel free to ask. I've only been in the country for 2 months so I'm far from an expert.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Senor P. posted:

If anyone has any questions on Angola, feel free to ask. I've only been in the country for 2 months so I'm far from an expert.

Please, do tell! Whereabouts are you/get out to the bush often? I hear expat life in Luanda is pretty fun and nice, but a bit less in-contact and more expensive than expat life in Kampala/Entebbe, much less Kasese.

My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Sep 16, 2014

Lord Windy
Mar 26, 2010

Senor P. posted:

If anyone has any questions on Angola, feel free to ask. I've only been in the country for 2 months so I'm far from an expert.

Is Ice-Cream really $30 a litre?

Senor P.
Mar 27, 2006
I MUST TELL YOU HOW PEOPLE CARE ABOUT STUFF I DONT AND BE A COMPLETE CUNT ABOUT IT

My Imaginary GF posted:

Please, do tell! Whereabouts are you/get out to the bush often? I hear expat life in Luanda is pretty fun and nice, but a bit less in-contact and more expensive than expat life in Kampala/Entebbe, much less Kasese.
Unless you work for the state owned oil company, I would hesitate to call Luanda 'nice'. Both of these articles do a better job of describing Luanda then I could. If you can afford to live well in Luanda (by Western standards) then you can live in a lot better places.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2183616/Luanda-The-capital-Angola-expensive-city-world.html
http://hubpages.com/hub/Living-in-Luanda


I work in a compound in one of the north west provinces by the coast, we are typically not allowed to leave except for a few hours on weekends. We can leave for a trip to beach, church, or one of the restaraunts nearby.

I wish we could visit the country side more, but there may be some issues getting through things like police check points.


Lord Windy posted:

Is Ice-Cream really $30 a litre?

I have not bought ice cream over here, let alone in Luanda. I could easily see it costing that much if not more. The place we drink beer at has a can of shaving creme for sale for $20 USD.

As has been mentioned many of the items in Angola have to be imported. Except for some things made in the country like beer.

Hopefully in another ten years food security will improve, Angola will have more ports, more roads and rail transportation, and corruption will decrease.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
What's the local vibe about the Kilamba development?

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


I have the opportunity to hear President Mahama of Ghana speak in about two weeks. All I know about him is that he took over after his predecessor died and he's big into environmentalism. Here's the blurb:

quote:

In his address, “The Promise of Africa,” President Mahama will discuss recent and current growth and development on the African continent and the need for the international community to support and encourage these new development achievements. He will highlight Ghana’s efforts to attain economic growth and reduce poverty in charting a sustainable course as a stable middle-income country.

It sounds like it could be interesting but I have two classes then so I guess I'm asking for more info about him and whether it would be worth it.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/ebola-vaccine-ready-year-end-25721068

Why is this behavior tolerated, and why aren't aid workers armed?

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illrepute
Dec 30, 2009

by XyloJW
Probably because armed aid workers in full-on ebola safety gear are going to be even more frightening for the people they're trying to help and even more likely to breed rumors and foster noncompliance with quarantine and safety standards.

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